Captain America II = Political Thriller

[The Infernal]

Whether it's a Cap sequel or an Avengers sequel, I think Red Skull (with Weaving) should return. I liked Weaving's performance and they left it arguably open for him to return at some point.

[Mr. Immortal]

Originally Posted by The Infernal

Whether it's a Cap sequel or an Avengers sequel, I think Red Skull (with Weaving) should return. I liked Weaving's performance and they left it arguably open for him to return at some point.

Weaving said he didn't want to come back. I don't think he would unless they can tempt him with an Avengers sequel spotlight.

[The Infernal]

I didn't know he outright said he didn't want to do another one, though I think I did read that he wasn't exactly keen on the idea either. Best case scenario is that they could tempt him back with a better written role. Also, wouldn't he have signed a multiple film contract? Isn't that the standard deal these days?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Also were and when did Weaving say he didnt want to come back? I do hope if he does come back they write better material for him, for me Weaving was wasted in the first movie.

[Mr. Immortal]

Originally Posted by The Infernal

I didn't know he outright said he didn't want to do another one, though I think I did read that he wasn't exactly keen on the idea either. Best case scenario is that they could tempt him back with a better written role. Also, wouldn't he have signed a multiple film contract? Isn't that the standard deal these days?

I think depending on how well Avengers does, they can definitely tempt him back in some capacity. Maybe. I don't know...

''Though Weaving says that such big-budget fare as "Captain America" can be a lot of fun -- not to mention lucrative -- these movies don't present the kind of acting challenges on which he thrives.

"I think I've about had enough," he says.

"I'm not sure how many more of them I'll make. It doesn't feel to me as though they've been the majority of my work, though that's probably the way it seems to most other people."''

Yeah, not sure. He definitely doesn't sound too eager but money talks. I don't think he would have said that statement if he signed a multi picture deal. Seems too professional to do something like that.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by Mr. Immortal

I think depending on how well Avengers does, they can definitely tempt him back in some capacity. Maybe. I don't know...

''Though Weaving says that such big-budget fare as "Captain America" can be a lot of fun -- not to mention lucrative -- these movies don't present the kind of acting challenges on which he thrives.

"I think I've about had enough," he says.

"I'm not sure how many more of them I'll make. It doesn't feel to me as though they've been the majority of my work, though that's probably the way it seems to most other people."''

Yeah, not sure. He definitely doesn't sound too eager but money talks. I don't think he would have said that statement if he signed a multi picture deal. Seems too professional to do something like that.

I'm sure Weaving has said this before though, may have been after The Matrix Trilogy, correct me if i'm wrong of course.

The problem with RS in the first movie was that the writing for the character was so generic and cliche, they really didnt need an actor of the calibre of Weaving to portray it, a lot of actors of lesser talent could have done the part. Maybe that is what Weaving is complaining about, give him a meatier role with better writing and something he can really get into and he may come back.

[antonydelfini]

I guess we are going into Ed Brubaker territory with the political thriller mixed with superheroics stuff they are talking about. Personally, I'd like that. My complaint with the First Avenger was that I didnt feel any sense of danger and the stakes didnt feel high enough. I want a grittier and more violent film, but one that never loses sight on the heart and spirit of Steve Rogers.

[Spider-Fan]

First Cap movie was pretty violent, if you ask me. I mean, dude got cut up by a propeller.

[Whiskey Tango]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

First Cap movie was pretty violent, if you ask me. I mean, dude got cut up by a propeller.

"For years afterwards the villagers below would talk of the day a delicious meat sauce rained from the sky."

[TheVileOne]

What I think Cap 2 should do, the Peggy/Cap scenes that were taken out of The Avengers, simply work them into Cap 2. That way you can sort of bring his arc full circle.

[Hypestyle]

the next one should be heavy on espionage and action.. get Ed Brubaker to write the story..

[Whiskey Tango]

He doesn't have to be directly involved but an espionage feel like Brubaker's stuff would be excellent, especially if Cap is remaining involved with Shield. John McTiernan to direct please.

[Mr. Immortal]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

He doesn't have to be directly involved but an espionage feel like Brubaker's stuff would be excellent, especially if Cap is remaining involved with Shield. John McTiernan to direct please.

Wow, McTiernan would be an amazing choice. That's some smart thinking. Never thought about that.

Also, I would really prefer it if modern comics superhero writers stayed away from the films.

[TheVileOne]

Yeah no. McTiernan hasn't done a good movie in about a century.

Also have you guys read the news at all lately? McTiernan is never getting this job.

Listen, I love movies like Die Hard and Predator too but McTiernan hasn't been that McTiernan in over 20 years. His last two movies were also ROLLERBALL and BASIC.

[antonydelfini]

Action movie master McTiernan would bring the grit and realism needed for a Cap sequel. Sign him up! He needs to bring his Die Hard-Predator-Hunt for the Red October game to make a great Cap movie! Another suggestion is Duncan Jones (Moon, Source Code) or Neil Blokamp (District 9).

[Whiskey Tango]

Originally Posted by TheVileOne

Yeah no. McTiernan hasn't done a good movie in about a century.

Also have you guys read the news at all lately? McTiernan is never getting this job.

Listen, I love movies like Die Hard and Predator too but McTiernan hasn't been that McTiernan in over 20 years. His last two movies were also ROLLERBALL and BASIC.

It's my goddamn fantasy. He can direct it from prison.

Also Basic was pretty good.

[jonathancrane]

Now that the Avengers is over, hopefully the screenwriters will be able to breathe while writing the second one. CA:TFA had to accomplish a lot: introduce Steve, his relationship with Bucky, Peggy, and transformation to Captain America; introduce Red Skull, Hydra, and add to the foundation of the MCU (the Tesseract, references to Odin's War with the Frost Giants, among others,) and also lead to the Avengers. Now that all of that has been accomplished, I hope that they relax and focus more on characters and the related mythology.

I have mixed thoughts on the "Political Thriller" description: I will elaborate upon them later.

[TheVileOne]

Whiskey Tango, sorry dude but McTiernan will NEVER get hired to do a movie of this magnitude. His professional career in Hollywood is pretty much over. His time as a power director player is over. I mean it sucks because he did do some tremendous, benchmark movies but I mean that's not happening anymore. He hasn't done a movie in 10 years and hasn't done a HIT movie in even longer.

[MarvelKnight]

Originally Posted by jonathancrane

Now that the Avengers is over, hopefully the screenwriters will be able to breathe while writing the second one. CA:TFA had to accomplish a lot: introduce Steve, his relationship with Bucky, Peggy, and transformation to Captain America; introduce Red Skull, Hydra, and add to the foundation of the MCU (the Tesseract, references to Odin's War with the Frost Giants, among others,) and also lead to the Avengers. Now that all of that has been accomplished, I hope that they relax and focus more on characters and the related mythology.

I have mixed thoughts on the "Political Thriller" description: I will elaborate upon them later.

I do agree, there is definitely the chance to relax in that all the exposition as you stated is over. Now is the time to flesh out Cap even more. As for the "political thriller" I think something along the lines of what 'Salt' did. It had political overtones, espionage, sleeper agents action and whatnot. Infuse Captain America, SHIELD and while we don't need Salt2:Captain America, I think bits and pieces of those elements (maybe not so much sleeper agents but you get the idea) would make a great sequel to cap.

[marcvader]

Would love a Brad Bird directed sequel but he probably has his hands full if he goes back with the MI franchise.

[Mr. Immortal]

Originally Posted by TheVileOne

Whiskey Tango, sorry dude but McTiernan will NEVER get hired to do a movie of this magnitude. His professional career in Hollywood is pretty much over. His time as a power director player is over. I mean it sucks because he did do some tremendous, benchmark movies but I mean that's not happening anymore. He hasn't done a movie in 10 years and hasn't done a HIT movie in even longer.

Er, you're acting like McTiernan needs everything you said. You do realize that the directors they're picking right now aren't exactly marquee names with a wealth of experience and hits? If anything, everything you just said points to McTiernan being a possible choice. Favreau had never done a movie the magnitude of Iron Man, RDJ's career was stalled, Wheddon didn't have any big budget financial successes either, there's too many examples of Marvel Studios taking chances for me to name.

[MarvelKnight]

Originally Posted by marcvader

Would love a Brad Bird directed sequel but he probably has his hands full if he goes back with the MI franchise.

Actually, he said he wasn't going to be back for the sequel in an interview with CraveOnline. I wouldn't mind a Cap movie directed by him.

I thought Brian De Palma would be a good choice. (pure coincidence that he did MI 1)

[TheVileOne]

Originally Posted by Mr. Immortal

Er, you're acting like McTiernan needs everything you said. You do realize that the directors they're picking right now aren't exactly marquee names with a wealth of experience and hits? If anything, everything you just said points to McTiernan being a possible choice. Favreau had never done a movie the magnitude of Iron Man, RDJ's career was stalled, Wheddon didn't have any big budget financial successes either, there's too many examples of Marvel Studios taking chances for me to name.

You are talking about apples and oranges. Favreau was a rising director at the time of Iron Man.

Once again, McTiernan has directed NOTHING since since 2003. His last two movies were flops. Is McTiernan your uncle or something?

Also dude is a convicted felon now . . . so I mean . . . Marvel isn't going to take a chance on a guy like McTiernan. Sorry, come again.