All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 8

[The Guard]

I don’t think it's true that money isn't the issue with WB and superhero films. They may aave the money to make a $180-$200 million superhero film every two years, or even one a year, as of late, considering the rest of their film commitments, but I suspect they’re hesitant about doing more than that. AVENGERS has likely changed that, or will, very shortly.

I’m certain we will see both JL and solo films go into development if THE AVENGERS does as well as people think it will. And I’m thrilled about that. I never really cared about whether we see a JL film first. I want to see the heroes I love on film. It's possible to get to know the characters via a team film, and flesh out their personal lives in solo films.

And people, we shouldn’t be comparing MAN OF STEEL to THE AVENGERS. If MAN OF STEEL stands up against AVENGERS at all, that says something about how good a character Superman is, and how much potential Superman has.

We should be comparing JUSTICE LEAGUE to THE AVENGERS. Which we’ll be able to, soon enough.

[The Infernal]

I don't subscribe to the idea that WB/DC has to make separate instalments in a unified DC cinematic universe to ensure a successful JLA movie. I don't think it's easy either, but it's not mandatory that they should follow the Avengers example.

Also I'm a bit hesitant to accept the idea that they follow the example of Marvel and the Avengers since it will feel a lot like they're are simply following suit for the sake of it, not to mention that Marvel have been fortunate that most of those separate instalments were well received as well as the Avengers. That's a tall order to follow.

[The Guard]

Exactly. They tried the whole "copying Iron Man" thing once, and it didn't work. Marketingwise, and even creatively, it will likely serve them better to do their own thing.

[Llama_Shepherd]

I don't feel a shared universe is necessary, however I do think it is preferable to simultaneous franchises with two Supermen and two Batmen.

[DoomsdayApex]

I definitely agree. The Avengers approach has been done, and anything remotely similar to that approach could be greeted with negativity about rehashing or 'ripping off'. I'm sure WB and DCE can get creative and come up with a new and/or bold formula for their Big 7.

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman differ from Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Hulk and Nick Fury.

[The Infernal]

Originally Posted by Llama_Shepherd

I don't feel a shared universe is necessary, however I do think it is preferable to simultaneous franchises with two Supermen and two Batmen.

I doubt the general public would find it that hard to grasp. You have different actors and no real connection to the stories then I think most will get the fact that they are two different takes. Also I think even if WB were to go ahead with it they wouldn't be likely to release it in the same year as any of the individual heroes own films.

[LibidoLoca]

Forgive me if this is already been asked, what's exactly preventing Henry Cavill from playing Superman in JLA, other than him not wanting to? If he wanted to and it was a different Superman from the one in MOS, I don't really see a problem.

Although, it might confuse people, initially. But with some time they might get over it.

[Rockstar]

The same actor playing a different version of the same character in a different franchise?

What a mess.

[HighFivingMF]

Originally Posted by LibidoLoca

Forgive me if this is already been asked, what's exactly preventing Henry Cavill from playing Superman in JLA, other than him not wanting to? If he wanted to and it was a different Superman from the one in MOS, I don't really see a problem.

Although, it might confuse people, initially. But with some time they might get over it.

Nothing is. It could be the same one from MoS. Man of Steel just has to be the first in line.

[The Boy Scout]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

The same actor playing a different version of the same character in a different franchise?

What a mess.

How is that a mess? If anything, it'd lessen the confusion. Just don't make any references to MOS in JLA and no references to JLA in MOS or its sequels and you'll be fine. Audiences will only have to assume there's an ambiguous/vague connection because of Cavill, and that's not really a bad thing.

[Eddie Dean]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

The same actor playing a different version of the same character in a different franchise?

What a mess.

What is this... I don't understand.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by The Boy Scout

How is that a mess? If anything, it'd lessen the confusion. Just don't make any references to MOS in JLA and no references to JLA in MOS or its sequels and you'll be fine. Audiences will only have to assume there's an ambiguous/vague connection because of Cavill, and that's not really a bad thing.

That's what they initially tried to do with Justice League Mortal. Design it so it could vaguely be Nolan's Batman and Singer's Superman.

Look how that turned out.


The chances of such a thing coming together, especially with Nolan and Snyder insistent on keeping Cavill's Superman in his own world, are incredibly rare.

[Alien Anal]

It defiantly would be mess. You wouldn't use the new 52 supes if you were to write your own Superman comic.

[The Boy Scout]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

That's what they initially tried to do with Justice League Mortal. Design it so it could vaguely be Nolan's Batman and Singer's Superman.

Look how that turned out.

Nolan had a problem with them connecting their Batman to his and made them change it. If Nolan hadn't had a problem with it, they wouldn't have changed it.

But that's neither here nor there. I specifically said not to have the franchies acknowledge each other in any way. The connection would be assumed by the audience and neither confirmed nor denied by the films.

The chances of such a thing coming together, especially with Nolan and Snyder insistent on keeping Cavill's Superman in his own world, are incredibly rare.

If WB asks Cavill and he agrees, there's nothing either of them can do about it. They can insist that there aren't any specific ties to Superman's solo franchise, but they can't block them from recruiting Cavill.

Originally Posted by Alien Anal

It defiantly would be mess. You wouldn't use the new 52 supes if you were to write your own Superman comic.

Except we're not talking about making a comic.

[DoomsdayApex]

I think we should stop trying to explain the Justice League: Mortal and Christopher Nolan incident to Rockstar. At this point, I believe his motives are to stir up the boards, or he has trouble reading. After two months (as far as I remember), it's starting to get irritating. Rockstar b***hes and whines about the same topic over and over again, and blames King Nolan for WB's failures to launch a Justice League adaptation.

[Bruce_Begins]

I don't think that having Henry Cavill as Superman in a separate Justice League franchise will be a mess and confuse people, after all Hugh Jackman appeared as wolverine in Singer's X-men 1, 2, 3 and then again in Wolverine Origins movie and then again in X-Men First Class (all separate franchises)

He is going to appear in a completely new Wolvering movie again, and nobody is getting confused, so what is the problem with just two different incarnations of Superman here, if there can be four or five different versions of wolverine in as many different X-men franchises ?

I think that fans just give enjoy giving WB a hard time.

When Justice League: Mortal was being planned and greenlit, I was suggesting here that instead of getting DJ Cortona, Miller should have got Brandon Routh as Superman, but the same old arguments were being discussed here (that will confuse GA, same actor cannot play same character in two different versions in two different franchises) Why not ?

[mclay18]

Originally Posted by LibidoLoca

Forgive me if this is already been asked, what's exactly preventing Henry Cavill from playing Superman in JLA, other than him not wanting to?

Nothing. If WB wanted to get JLM back on track, they could exercise the sequel clause in Cavill's contract to get him on board. Easy as that.

People say that Christian Bale wasn't going to come back to a third Batman movie if Nolan wasn't directing -- but he was bound to a sequel clause like every franchise actor is. He would've been in TDKR either way.

[shauner111]

That's true. Cavill might say yes to JLA. It wouldn't be a problem, cuz they might use whoevers Batman in the 2016 (ish?) reboot, and the rest of em. Supes/Cavill could be the springboard for a Justice League movie for all we know. I actually think it'll make more sense this way. But there's still a huge chance he'll decline and it'll be a mess. They'd have to bring in a different Superman which everyone will hate. They can't get away with it like Avengers & Hulk.

[Bruce_Begins]

If he has signed a three movie contract with WB (to include sequels) he will have to appear in a JL movie as Superman.

[Llama_Shepherd]

Originally Posted by The Infernal

I doubt the general public would find it that hard to grasp. You have different actors and no real connection to the stories then I think most will get the fact that they are two different takes. Also I think even if WB were to go ahead with it they wouldn't be likely to release it in the same year as any of the individual heroes own films.

It's not that people wouldn't understand. We know that quite a few will. It will be that there will be a Justice League franchise potentially competing with a Superman and a Batman franchise. Everyone will prefer one to the other, that's why I wouldn't like it. Not that it's confusing, it would be like continuing the Dark Knight franchise while the reboot is being released.

[hopefuldreamer]

Honestly, why would he say no?

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by The Guard

And people, we shouldn’t be comparing MAN OF STEEL to THE AVENGERS. If MAN OF STEEL stands up against AVENGERS at all, that says something about how good a character Superman is, and how much potential Superman has.

We should be comparing JUSTICE LEAGUE to THE AVENGERS. Which we’ll be able to, soon enough.

QFT my man

Originally Posted by Rust

Absolutely a possibility too. It's more risky or bold, but it's a very interesting way of throwing the audience into it. And cheaper than having to introduce everybody in their solo-movies first. Half of them wouldnt need one since they're already known.
This could work too with having introduced Superman in MOS and possibly Batman in the reboot.

I'd much rather have a JL-movie than the ridiculous Superman VS Batman they were putting together some while ago.

Yeah it would definately be a pretty risky move, but in my opinion the pay off would be well worth it if done correctly. Superman and Batman in the same film would generate a huge buzz and if the film's a success it would boost interest for the rest of the team as well.

[Bruce Malone]

Originally Posted by Bruce_Begins

I don't think that having Henry Cavill as Superman in a separate Justice League franchise will be a mess and confuse people, after all Hugh Jackman appeared as wolverine in Singer's X-men 1, 2, 3 and then again in Wolverine Origins movie and then again in X-Men First Class (all separate franchises)

Huh? Origins was a direct prequel to the films and first class itself was a pseudo prequel. They were all the same franchise.

[Bruce_Begins]

There are numerous continuity discrepancies between first three X-men movies and X-men Origins : Wolverine movie as many fans of X-men will point out (I cannot, but go over to X-men boards that is what most of then say.)

X-men First Class is a very loose prequel, I don't think that it really qualifies as a same continuity.

[Bruce Malone]

Originally Posted by Bruce_Begins

There are numerous continuity discrepancies between first three X-men movies and X-men Origins : Wolverine movie as many fans of X-men will point out (I cannot, but go over to X-men boards that is what most of then say.)

X-men First Class is a very loose prequel, I don't think that it really qualifies as a same continuity.

Discrepancies or not they are the same franchise. As for first class it's first scene was a shot for shot re-do of the first scene in x-men i'd say the whole point of that movie was to keep up continuity with the singer x-men at least.

What happens in future sequels is up for debate but discrepancies or not all the same franchise.