No Shared Universe for DC Films

[HighFivingMF]

Bale's said before he was only signed up for 3. TMT said they were developing a possible World's Finest movie where, depending on whether or not they could Bale:

A. An established Batman (Bale) would mentor a fresh Superman (Cavill)
B. An established Superman (Cavill) would mentor a fresh Batman (whoever replaces Bale)

[Ultimatehero]

Originally Posted by HighFivingMF

Bale's said before he was only signed up for 3. TMT said they were developing a possible World's Finest movie where, depending on whether or not they could Bale:

A. An established Batman (Bale) would mentor a fresh Superman (Cavill)
B. An established Superman (Cavill) would mentor a fresh Batman (whoever replaces Bale)

TMT?

But, yeah, either A or B would be beyond easy. At this point I'd say A because it's the closest and I'm unsure that WB would necessarily launch another Batman reboot this soon. Also the most money-making option. But you could have him just in JLA. B would stipulate that the new Batman reboot would be relatively soon, UNLESS you're starting with the rebooted Batman there and spinning him from there which could also easily work.

[HighFivingMF]

Originally Posted by Ultimatehero

TMT?

But, yeah, either A or B would be beyond easy. At this point I'd say A because it's the closest and I'm unsure that WB would necessarily launch another Batman reboot this soon. Also the most money-making option. But you could have him just in JLA. B would stipulate that the new Batman reboot would be relatively soon, UNLESS you're starting with the rebooted Batman there and spinning him from there which could also easily work.

TMT = Think McFly Think. A site a few mods here run, they're reliable.

http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/movie...man-movie.html

[Ultimatehero]

Ah, thanks of the heads up.

And yeah, as said, WORLD'S FINEST is the easiest and safest bet. Easy as in - same company, same crews, and not many branches to worry about the logistics with. Only just noticed the possibility and how easy it would be when I was 'recruited' into the Superman thread regarding JLA and 'explaining' Nolan's placement within WB. Some guys fight the system, won't come to a merging of minds with higher ups - others will - and Nolan seems like the type who would. Basically it's either meet in the middle or risk getting thrown off. Although it's not great having to meet in the middle, it beats the alternative.

[Paladin-Hoss]

I was just thinking...since JLA may not happen, and the way WB is so fixated on Batman..

Why not just make a shared Batman universe? Batman got soo many interesting characters.

I vote for Gina Carano as the Huntres

[AvengeME]

So what exactly is the plan after TDKR??? Are they really going to do Batman 4 as a sequel with a new cast? The trilogy will have already been concluded or at least most of the loose ends would be tied up. I don't want them to run into the same problem as Spiderman.

I honestly think you have to stop making Batman movies for a while, unless the cast wants to do another one. Nolan might stick around as a producer and they could get Goyer or Fincher to direct.

The better option would be trying to make Batman work in a team movie. I would re-introduce the character first, but I think they have to build toward that. Captain America, BW, and Hawkeye do not appeal to masses world wide, but they are leeching on to popular characters like Iron Man and Hulk.

That's the only way to bring along other characters IMO. Depending on how things go with Superman, they need to keep that option open sooner than later.

[The Guard]

They're "rebooting" Batman, with Chris Nolan producing. Won't be a sequel. The plan is to reboot as soon as they can, probably for 2015.

[AvengeME]

Originally Posted by The Guard

They're "rebooting" Batman, with Chris Nolan producing. Won't be a sequel. The plan is to reboot as soon as they can, probably for 2015.

Yikes. Hate to see that happen. Reboots after quick turnovers never have a good result. I don't expect different with ASM, relatively speaking.

[steelio2006]

i expect ASM to be pretty decent and good. rebooting Batman, however, its too soon to have that happen. mostly cause of the epicness of Nolan's trilogy. it is such a great trilogy and great storytelling. (i expect DKR to be nothing but awesomeness as well)

i wont be tuning in for the reboot for sure.

[Bruce Malone]

Originally Posted by The Guard

They're "rebooting" Batman, with Chris Nolan producing. Won't be a sequel. The plan is to reboot as soon as they can, probably for 2015.

I doubt it will be a true reboot though with an origin story like tasm. I think we will have an already established batman with a tenuous link to the past events. I.e we won't be seeing joker for a while in a batman film.

Although i believe there are not any concrete plans at the moment.

[\S/]

I disagree with Nolan. His take on DC characters is stuck in the 40s, before the DCU was created.

Here's what I think DC needs to do to develop a shared cinematic universe. It's quite easy to envision as well.

*Superman and The Batman are the first two superheroes and the cornerstones of the DCU. Their relationship is the key.

*So, two years after Man of Steel and three years after The Dark Knight Rises, release the rebooted Batman. But this new film fits the tone established in Man of Steel. More than the heightened reality of Nolan's films, this films shares the fantastical reality of super-powered alien beings.

*Two years after the new Batman film, release "Superman Batman." No "vs.," just a team-up. Neither wants to work together, but they forge a friendship.

*Two years after Superman Batman, Justice League debuts. The World's Finest is joined by Green Lantern, The Flash, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman. The villain: Darkseid and his legions.

As I said, it's simple, but I doubt WB/DC will do it.

\S/

[Daniel Thompson]

Originally Posted by Ultimatehero

Something, a contradiction actually, has just crossed my mind. While JLA has numerous challenges in it's way that makes it highly unlikely... a shared DC universe is possible...



I don't know what Bale's contract is, but if he was contracted to more than three films then it's remarkably easy for them to force him to do 'World's Finest.' If WB is so interested to do it and he is not contracted they could easily raise Bale's pay-raise so that it would be seen as lucrative. Especially if there's a talented director and writer behind it. It's still, after all, a job.

Nolan doesn't want to. However, he's just like everyone else. In the end it comes down to what WB wants. And few creative guys would willingly give up their 'children' due to some dispute, they'd want to guard it and protect it as best as possible so he would relent if he had no other choice.

I know I've said "no other choice" often, but if WB wants to do it WB can find an easy way to do it. 'WORLD'S FINEST' at the moment has the best chances of being brought to life. It's the closest set up they have to MARVEL's. They wouldn't have to worry about any of the logistics except securing contracts.

I agree just do the WF film. Itsj ust as good as doing a JL film. And all you would need to do is make a WF film after Snyder's Superman film series if it becomes one is finished. Use the rebooted Batman and use another Superman after Cavill's run is over. Have them set up both as expierenced crime fighters who team up occassionally to take down threats bigger then the both of them.

[Bruce Malone]

Originally Posted by \S/

I disagree with Nolan. His take on DC characters is stuck in the 40s, before the DCU was created.

Here's what I think DC needs to do to develop a shared cinematic universe. It's quite easy to envision as well.

*Superman and The Batman are the first two superheroes and the cornerstones of the DCU. Their relationship is the key.

*So, two years after Man of Steel and three years after The Dark Knight Rises, release the rebooted Batman. But this new film fits the tone established in Man of Steel. More than the heightened reality of Nolan's films, this films shares the fantastical reality of super-powered alien beings.

*Two years after the new Batman film, release "Superman Batman." No "vs.," just a team-up. Neither wants to work together, but they forge a friendship.

*Two years after Superman Batman, Justice League debuts. The World's Finest is joined by Green Lantern, The Flash, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman. The villain: Darkseid and his legions.

As I said, it's simple, but I doubt WB/DC will do it.

\S/

Simple for someone who doesn't know the movie industry yes but what you've described is wb spending hundreds of millions of dollars on untested ideas and results. There is nothing simple about that multi-year hundreds of millions of dollars idea.

WB doesn't even know how MOS will turn out and the idea of releasing an entirely new batman film 3 years after tdkr when tdkr itself had 4 years between it and its predecessor is pushing it to the extreme.

A 5 year wait between reboots is even pushing it. After the TDKR is released there will be a need for breather for any new batman film to come out.

I'm sorry but the only reason the avengers is working is because marvel put this plan into work by establishing characters people care about and are now familiar with. What is the benefit to WB in developing a 230 million dollar justice league movie when only batman and superman are the recognizable superheroes?

You can put thor on a poster because the audience now knows him, cap america. You put martian manhunter on a poster you'll get blank stares. You probably can't even market GL at this point due to the negative backlash from his last film.

I still don't know what WB's financial incentives to make a justice league film are? A film that will have to cost more than any individual batman or superman film if even pulled off right.

[Green Day]

I would rather not have a DC universe and I am not to sure if it would work .

[Smashlilman]

Originally Posted by \S/

I disagree with Nolan. His take on DC characters is stuck in the 40s, before the DCU was created.

Here's what I think DC needs to do to develop a shared cinematic universe. It's quite easy to envision as well.

*Superman and The Batman are the first two superheroes and the cornerstones of the DCU. Their relationship is the key.

*So, two years after Man of Steel and three years after The Dark Knight Rises, release the rebooted Batman. But this new film fits the tone established in Man of Steel. More than the heightened reality of Nolan's films, this films shares the fantastical reality of super-powered alien beings.

*Two years after the new Batman film, release "Superman Batman." No "vs.," just a team-up. Neither wants to work together, but they forge a friendship.

*Two years after Superman Batman, Justice League debuts. The World's Finest is joined by Green Lantern, The Flash, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman. The villain: Darkseid and his legions.

As I said, it's simple, but I doubt WB/DC will do it.

\S/

I have to agree with that. It would be great if DC established a Worlds Finest movie first and allow that to open a door to a possible Justice league movie.

1. Man of Steel
   
2. Batman reboot
   
3. Worlds Finest
   
4. Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern sequel with different actor, Aquaman* (tease Marian Man Hunter in the Green Lantern movie)
   
5. Justice League movie (introduce the Marian Man Hunter)
   
   It kind of reminds me of Justice League ep 1: Secret Origins
   
   The one thing the Justices League need to do is avoid retreading ground that the Avengers have all ready covered. In some cases that can't be avoided Darkseid/Thanos.

[The Guard]

After THE AVENGERS, I think we're increasingly likely to see THE JUSTICE LEAGUE.

[Donut]

Originally Posted by The Guard

After THE AVENGERS, I think we're increasingly likely to see THE JUSTICE LEAGUE.

I hope not. Because with the current people there. Those Executives will just ruin the Justice League. Like they did with Green Lantern. Would rather not have a Justice League movie. Then get a bad one. With the current *******s there

[AvengeME]

I don't think you necessarily have to setup a JL movie with solo movies, but at the same time you can't just thrown in characters without presenting some back story in previous movie media. I guess the only Marvel character you can say did not have immediate exposure is Thor, but most are aware of the mythological background in the fictional history stories. Wonder Woman would be the equivalent, and it would have to be approached similarly. I definitely think she needs a film, but the female lead heroin has proved problematic for Hollywood. I still think it can be done if they don't make her a pure sex symbol.

Green Lantern killed it though. That was worse than an Ang Lee Hulk from a business standpoint. They need to reintroduce that franchise and that will take years. 2016-2017 earliest.

I see Flash as the Ant Man type. It needs to be an action comedy to make it work on the big screen. Marvel will look for a big name to fill that shoe. I think Bradley Cooper or Jason Bateman caliber level actors will suffice. Not an unknown like Hemsworth. By 2015-2018, there will be a new pool of actors to choose from. But expect Marvel to look for a guy like that for Ant Man, even if the solo movie never pans out.

[Donut]

Chris Hemsworth was a risk that succeeded

[AvengeME]

If MoS is a a decent hit, I would try to fast track of WF movie for 2015 or 2016. Try to get Nolan to produce and get Bale in it. It wouldn't make sense to reboot the property that soon, even a quasi-sequel. Bale is still young enough to do another one 10-15 years after Batman Begins was released. A forth Batman movie wouldn't make sense as a reboot or even a fourth installment. How could you possibly top what has already been done? We have gotten the classic characters already. I would do a TV route before a reboot.

[Raiden]

Originally Posted by AvengeME

If MoS is a a decent hit, I would try to fast track of WF movie for 2015 or 2016. Try to get Nolan to produce and get Bale in it. It wouldn't make sense to reboot the property that soon, even a quasi-sequel. Bale is still young enough to do another one 10-15 years after Batman Begins was released. A forth Batman movie wouldn't make sense as a reboot or even a fourth installment. How could you possibly top what has already been done? We have gotten the classic characters already. I would do a TV route before a reboot.

Bale has indicated that he will only do 3 Batman movies, and he'll leave the franchise along with Nolan. Bale is a serious actor who won an Oscar for The Fighter, and has alot of films lining up in the near future. I doubt he'd want to be tied down for WF or any other Batman movies after TDKR.

[Avenger]

I think Zack Snyder has said that his Superman is supposed to stand alone, but I still think that Man of Steel would be an ideal starting point for a new shared universe of DC films. Let Bale walk away from Batman after TDKR (as he's already said he would) and do a World's Finest movie with Cavill as Superman and someone new as Batman. Then maybe reboot Green Lantern (or do a semi-sequel with John Stewart or Kyle Rayner replacing Hal Jordan) and maybe do a Flash movie before doing Justice League.

[ЯɘvlveR]

every time i watch the watchmen i think about the justice league. i think with nolan overseeing it, and snyder directing it, it would be an amazing spectacle.

although, i will say that personally, i don't understand why WB would have to match marvel play by play, release a solo, solo, than a group, then a solo movie, etc.

anyone remember the scene in returns, where superman was every where? i mean really? how necessary is someone like batman in world that has that superman? to me, he becomes useful, in a team movie, because that's when in a world with a superman, he is able to do the things that superman can't do, in the same way that widow and hawkeye are in the avengers. to the jl, he's part stark, part cap, part hawkeye, and part widow. they do the things the suped up heros can't do.

the good thing about getting the bat films out of the way, is that he doesn't have to compete with superman. after tdkr, he's done, and we get MOS and supes can fly around saving the day.

we don't know what will happen to gotham and to bruce, but perhaps what transpires can work to the advantage of wb/dc for the possibility of the jl film.

any number of things can happen.

perhaps bruce dies (or fakes his death) and it is revealed to that world that bruce is/was batman, but as a reporter, clark finds out that he's not dead, and out of respect lets the grizzled vet live the rest of his days in peace somewhere, until the threat becomes more than he can handle at that point when he's just becoming superman, and he convinces bruce to dust off the cape.

maybe a storyline that somehow involves the amazons and by the end of that world's finest, we end with the trinity.

you can keep making your solo supes, and perhaps wondy films, with bruce making cameos in them, helping them out however he can, but never getting into too far unless the threat calls for it.

[AnorexicBatman]

I wish Nolan would stop being such a spoil sport regardless of his god like film making powers and just let people enjoy comic books panels come to life.
After the Avengers I don't give a damn that, "OOooh! The characters are soooo DIFFERENT, you can never have them on screen together."

The Avengers did a great thing by being humorous but still dramatic when it wanted too. You can go back to brooding in your own individual films.

[Thundercrack85]

I've already said this like 5 times. But the Avengers worked partially because they managed to make the individual films work.

Thus far... we have one franchise. And possibly Superman, though Returns failed to spawn a franchise. Maybe the new one will work.

It's not even about making several movies and putting those characters into a big crossover film like Avengers. Though that is one reason the Avengers has done so well.

First DC has to figure out how to make the characters work in live action. Work to the point that they are commercially successful.