Henry Cavill IS Superman: - Part 9

[JAK®]

Snyder tried to film the unfilmable. He did a great job, considering,

[Rockstar]

It wasn't unfilmable from a visuals point of view. We have the technology.

The challenge was in the scripting to reflect the graphic novel. The script was good though. It got the complexity of the original text right.

IMO It was just Snyder's 'music video' style of filming that reduced what could have been a great movie into a mediocre one. It didn't work for this type of material.

The action scenes were so phony and choreographed, it took me out of the film. I'll link a brief example from the film's beginning that doesn't spoil the later stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Afk_...tailpage#t=52s


Were they in The Matrix?

[JAK®]

Snyder's music video experience resulted in some of the best scenes of the movie.

What really brought the film down was that it condensed the narrative of a story that was written as a serial into a single stand-alone story. Which made the film feel like it kept shifting between stories.

But the casting was spot-on, the emotion of each scene was spot-on, it's just the pacing that wasn't.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by JAK®

Snyder's music video experience resulted in some of the best scenes of the movie.

I thought so too. I thought that was the intention. Having action-scenes that looked very staged and painting / comicbook-like. Stylized. Also a reason why some of the costumes looked so excessive. To emphasize the comicbook'y and the irony. But maybe it went overboard. Havent seen it in a very long time.

I think it nailed it rather well despite being a little forced at times and also the mix of being very serious at times but also very comedic. Maybe that made it feel a little phony at times, but then again, that may also have been intentional. Which in that case makes it a little indecisive and messy imo.
Regardless, it was a breath of fresh air in stream of overly serious and family-friendly CBMs and it pretty much lived up to my expectations.

[batman44]

The only scene I flat out did not like was the sex scene coupled with the halleluja song, other than that I thoroughly enjoyed the film. One of my favorite CBM.

[The Guard]

Joseph Gordon Levitt gave one of the purest, most honest performances that I've seen in a comic book movie in GI JOE. He had fun with very little to work with, and he deserves praise for it.

It must have gone over the heads of critics as well.

It did.

WATCHMEN has a few key flaws, but it was as good as it was ever going to be as a studio-based film adaption, and ranks among the best comic book film movie ever made, and is, in my mind, easily the best on the basis of its themes and story elements alone. Ultimately, it works as well as a film as it ever worked as a comic. It was always somewhat experimental. The movie wasn't a music video, nor was the lion's share of it remotely filmed like one. It was a movie with music in it, like pretty much all movies. There were stylized sequences, but they were stylized for a reason, to draw attention to specific elements, and in a few instances to create atmosphere, and they worked in context. And the majority of the film was not the slo-mo stylization approach that people with short attention spans and bad memories feel is all Snyder does. There were plenty of dramatic sequences, excellent performances, and wonderfully realized moments and themes from the graphic novel.

[B]

I've been told it's an excellent adaption of the comic book & one of the few that is very faithful to the actual written material... however I didn't read the comic book so I'd be part of the GA in regards to Watchmen & for me personally it's one of the worst films I've been to see at the cinema. It's actually the only one of those bad films I've actually been tempted to walk out off.. but I didn't, I stuck it through to the end.

Visually it was outstanding, the visuals were really top notch. However the rest for me was really forgettable & quite boring I personally felt. No likeable characters, they were all *******s for the most part & I didn't like the ending. It was one of those endings that you go: "That's it..?" "I sat through over 3 hours of film for that finale?"

It's all opinion though of course..

I don't know whether it will rub further salt in the wound but I enjoyed the **** out of Battleship & will be purchasing it on DVD when it's released...

[Project862006]

nah you just have bad taste

i love watchmen it was just a well made film very well directed very good acting all around imo

[hopefuldreamer]

Loved Battleship... Found Watchmen's storyline boring...

Hmmm... What does this tell us about B's taste in movies..?

If you found the storyline boring, in fairness you're prob just not a fan of the concept though. So I don't see that as a flaw on Snyder's part. He can't make people who don't like the very ideas behind/story of Watchmen, like the film.

[The Guard]

If you dont like the movie WATCHMEN, you probably won't like the comic. And that's fine. But part of what I saw after WATCHMEN was some critics and general audiences either not getting it, or not liking it, and people felt that was a weakness of the movie, as if it had failed because it didn't water down the concepts enough to appeal to everyone. It wasn't the movie's fault. The concepts DON'T appeal to everyone. Some people can't even grasp them.

Some people just aren't suited to like WATCHMEN. Just like some people aren't suited to like BATTLESHIP, or superhero films, or period dramas.

[Rust]

Yep, Watchmen is a real divider. I guess you have to be fairly (self)ironic to appreciate its humor and absurdities.

[hopefuldreamer]

Originally Posted by The Guard

If you dont like the movie WATCHMEN, you probably won't like the comic. And that's fine. But part of what I saw after WATCHMEN was some critics and general audiences either not getting it, or not liking it, and people felt that was a weakness of the movie, as if it had failed because it didn't water down the concepts enough to appeal to everyone. It wasn't the movie's fault. The concepts DON'T appeal to everyone. Some people can't even grasp them.

Some people just aren't suited to like WATCHMEN. Just like some people aren't suited to like BATTLESHIP, or superhero films, or period dramas.

Exactly.

I hate the flack that Snyder gets for Watchmen, because in my eyes it's a stunning masterpeice and I wouldn't change a thing about it.

But just because some fans whined it wasn't faithful enough, and some critics whined it was too faithful, it's not considered a successful adaption.

But surely the two complaints together make a film that's 'just faithful enough'.

The thing people forget when they say it's too faithful, is that this isn't a long standing set of characters with multiple interpretations to draw from. It's just one story.

And it's even harder to adapt creatively than a novel, because there is literally a 'right' way everything is supposed to look.

And so he brings these images literally alive. He takes the words straight off the page. What the heck is wrong with that? That's a great way of doing an adaption IMO, especially of a stand alone GN That's exactly how it should be done!

I'd really love to know how these people would suggest doing it differently, and how it would be better.

[ChickenScratch]

Watchmen is my favorite superhero movie barre non. Great adaptation, visually stunning, arresting action, it's got it all. Plus, I'm a sucker for a pretty movie.

[Eddie Dean]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

It wasn't unfilmable from a visuals point of view. We have the technology.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

[hopefuldreamer]

Originally Posted by ChickenScratch

Plus, I'm a sucker for a pretty movie.

Me too

[The Guard]

The thing is that Snyder didn't take all the frames, frame or frame. He and his creative team used many of the original visuals of WATCHMEN for inspiration, and built on that, elaborated and expanded, and in some cases, focused in on key elements. And that's exactly, given the complexity and detail of the material, what he should have done. It's not a motion comic, it's a movie.

WATCHMEN is a movie that people who think in black and white terms aren't going to appreciate as much. Because it's either going to make them think the characters did the wrong thing morally, or its going to confuse them. Like Rorschach, many people just aren't capable of, or don't let themselves think in grayer terms.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I still love Watchmen and will defend the hell out of it.

[Project862006]

so will i and i dont get this too faithful thing

people need to realize watchmen is just a different beast

if you change something you have to change this then this then that

Watchmen is like a domino effect since everything is so brilliantly connected if you removed 1 piece and dont replace it the story falls apart

[Adenjo]

Originally Posted by hopefulsuicide

Loved Battleship... Found Watchmen's storyline boring...

Hmmm... What does this tell us about B's taste in movies..?

If you found the storyline boring, in fairness you're prob just not a fan of the concept though. So I don't see that as a flaw on Snyder's part. He can't make people who don't like the very ideas behind/story of Watchmen, like the film.

In B's defence I too found Watchmen boring. So boring infact I gave up watching after about twenty minutes.
Who watches the watchmen? Not me matey.
And.. there's nothing wrong with a slice of mindless popcorn every now and then

[hopefuldreamer]

Originally Posted by Adenjo

In B's defence I too found Watchmen boring. So boring infact I gave up watching after about twenty minutes.
Who watches the watchmen? Not me matey.
And.. there's nothing wrong with a slice of mindless popcorn every now and then

I didn't say there was... I watch tonnes of bad movies because I like mindless fun sometimes.

But they are still bad movies

In fairness, there are plenty of movies that I gave up on because I found them 'boring', and then returned to at a later date and wondered why. Sometimes it's just about the mood you're in, or the mind frame you approach the film with.

I'd suggest watching it again if you've only seen 20 mins of it. I mean, you haven't even seen anything of Dr Manhattan yet You've just seen The Comedian die, the montage, and then Rorschach investigating and going to Daniel with his suspicions...

Though in fairness, if you watched The Comedian's death and found that boring, maybe it's all just lost on you...

Which is fine, there are plenty of movies that other people love that I just don't get too

[Adenjo]

Originally Posted by hopefulsuicide

I didn't say there was... I watch tonnes of bad movies because I like mindless fun sometimes.

But they are still bad movies

In fairness, there are plenty of movies that I gave up on because I found them 'boring', and then returned to at a later date and wondered why. Sometimes it's just about the mood you're in, or the mind frame you approach the film with.

I'd suggest watching it again if you've only seen 20 mins of it. I mean, you haven't even seen anything of Dr Manhattan yet You've just seen The Comedian die, the montage, and then Rorschach investigating and going to Daniel with his suspicions...

Though in fairness, if you watched The Comedian's death and found that boring, maybe it's all just lost on you...

Which is fine, there are plenty of movies that other people love that I just don't get too

May have watched more than twenty minutes... The comedians death was ok.. there was just something about the tone, the visuals.. Not sure what it was that just made feel like.. Yawn.
Just not my cup of tea.

Sucker punch had the same effect to be honest.. Just something about it just switched me right off.

Altho in fairness that is by all accounts a pretty crappy movie anyway....

[hopefuldreamer]

Originally Posted by Adenjo

May have watched more than twenty minutes... The comedians death was ok.. there was just something about the tone, the visuals.. Not sure what it was that just made feel like.. Yawn.
Just not my cup of tea.

Sucker punch had the same effect to be honest.. Just something about it just switched me right off.

Altho in fairness that is by all accounts a pretty crappy movie anyway....

In fairness, Sucker Punch I turned off after about 20 mins cause I was bored.

But I revisited it, and I actually enjoyed it after a while once my mind had kind of adjusted to the type of movie it was, instead of the type of movie i'd gone in thinking it would be. It really grew on me, and i've watched it many times now.

But eh, if you really dislike the visual style then it's prob defo not for you. I absolutely adore it.

Out of curiosity, did you like 300?

[Adenjo]

Originally Posted by hopefulsuicide

In fairness, Sucker Punch I turned off after about 20 mins cause I was bored.

But I revisited it, and I actually enjoyed it after a while once my mind had kind of adjusted to the type of movie it was, instead of the type of movie i'd gone in thinking it would be. It really grew on me, and i've watched it many times now.

But eh, if you really dislike the visual style then it's prob defo not for you. I absolutely adore it.

Out of curiosity, did you like 300?

300.

Another switch off after about 20 minutes i'm afraid.

Y'know what? I don't think i'm a Snyder fan.

[Project862006]

just think you have a low attention span LOL

[Adenjo]

Originally Posted by Project862006

just think you have a low attention span LOL

Nope.
I managed to sit through "Born on the fourth of July" and "Forrest gump" without getting distracted