No Shared Universe for DC Films

[AnorexicBatman]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

I've already said this like 5 times. But the Avengers worked partially because they managed to make the individual films work.

Thus far... we have one franchise. And possibly Superman, though Returns failed to spawn a franchise. Maybe the new one will work.

It's not even about making several movies and putting those characters into a big crossover film like Avengers. Though that is one reason the Avengers has done so well.

First DC has to figure out how to make the characters work in live action. Work to the point that they are commercially successful.

How very true.
I bet MARVEL is laughing all the way to bank having established a huge movie-verse and more incoming while DC is still trying to put the square shape in the round hole.

[mclay18]

You don't have to go through all the trouble of pre-establishing movies. The Avengers works just fine without seeing any of the previous films, and every main character gets fleshed out. It can be done, you just have to get the right director and writer to pull it off.

And it doesn't have to be a JL film. Revive the World's Finest project, lure Bale back to do a World's Finest film (regardless what fate his Bruce encounters in TDKR). And exercise Cavill's sequel clause in his contract to have him return as Superman. Then get the right director for the job.

WB can fast-track something like that, especially since they already have a couple of drafts of the failed Batman vs. Superman project.

[Tobias]

Originally Posted by mclay18

You don't have to go through all the trouble of pre-establishing movies. The Avengers works just fine without seeing any of the previous films, and every main character gets fleshed out. It can be done, you just have to get the right director and writer to pull it off.

And it doesn't have to be a JL film. Revive the World's Finest project, lure Bale back to do a World's Finest film (regardless what fate his Bruce encounters in TDKR). And exercise Cavill's sequel clause in his contract to have him return as Superman. Then get the right director for the job.

WB can fast-track something like that, especially since they already have a couple of drafts of the failed Batman vs. Superman project.

Fast tracking a team film at this point is not wise IMO.

However, maybe JL is a mountain too high to climb and they should go for a two character team-up.

Don't know anything about Cavill's contract. They have been suspiciously moot on that.

Bale is very unlikely to return.

So you could have all new actors in the lead roles and that adds another difficulty to doing such a film.

[The Guard]

I'm not sure why people assume WB would "rush" to compete with Marvel. I think they'll see the potential of a JLA film now (not that they didn't before), but I don't neccessarily think they'll rush it.

[metaphysician]

I think you *might* be able to fast track JLA by means of World's Finest. MoS comes out, its good. Then, a year or two later, World's Finest, used as a vehicle to introduce the rebooted Batman and establish the ground rules of a joint setting. Then, another year or so later, JLA, with Superman and Batman as the core.

It wouldn't be easy, though, and it first depends in part on how compatible MoS is with a joint setting ( and on it being good, period ).

[CConn]

Yeah, I still don't think Avengers is some shining example of why you should have a shared universe.

That isn't what made Avengers great, and that isn't what was really hard in executing from a directorial or writing point of view.

What really mattered with Avengers was its ability to properly share screen time around an ensamble cast and successfully structure a plot that ties into all of the various characters in the movie.

[Tobias]

Originally Posted by metaphysician

I think you *might* be able to fast track JLA by means of World's Finest. MoS comes out, its good. Then, a year or two later, World's Finest, used as a vehicle to introduce the rebooted Batman and establish the ground rules of a joint setting. Then, another year or so later, JLA, with Superman and Batman as the core.

It wouldn't be easy, though, and it first depends in part on how compatible MoS is with a joint setting ( and on it being good, period ).

I think WB needes to decide first what it wants to do with its DC properties.

A mega-film every year costing 200 million to make?

Or a film every year, but focusing more on less expensive characters like Lobo. That seems to be their 2014 plan.

Or maybe de-ephasize DC properties in the sense WB does not write in stone it has to produe a DC film every year, year-in and year-out.

[AvengeME]

Interesting point that was brought to my attention. Some guys hanging around for the after credit scenes were like, "This is New York, where was Spiderman?" Obviously we know the deal, but the general masses don't. Did it take something away not having Marvel's featured guy in that circle? Maybe a little, but not really.

So if Spiderman was available, where the hell was he? Well we know he is based in New York. His solo adventures are almost exclusively concentrated there. His villains? I wouldn't say incredibly over the top. Some crazy scientists and experiments gone awry. Nothing we haven't seen before in CBM's. His villains aren't aliens are external threats. They are every day based threats based in the comic book world. Doesn't sound much different than Batman doing his thing in Gotham against psychotic villains.

So what happens when we get a more global threat? Why can't Spiderman and Batman branch of and lend the services to a team of heroes? I don't see a problem with that. Even in Nolan's world, I don't think it pushes it. So Batman definitely works. Much like Captain America, he isn't going to be taking on Thanos or Darkseid directly. But he definitely can serve a purpose.

Depending on MOS, I think the next step is definitely World's Finest in 2015. WB needs to secure a date so that Marvel doesn't run upshot at the box office with Avengers 2. A Batman reboot can not overpower a late summer slot. It will suffer the same fate as TIH or ASM IMO, although mitigated by a stellar previous trilogy. People have already penciled in Downey Jr. for two more Avengers movies so I don't think Bale would shoot it down if Nolan co-produced and they had a stellar script. If MOS fails, send Snyder packing and pencil in Batman 4.

[ЯɘvlveR]

@ avengeME, I think it goes without saying that if marvel owned spidey, he would have been in this film.


@ mclay18, exactly. hasn't there been talk about the writing for MOS 2 already? well, there you go. that's your chance. you get your big dog in bats back, you get nolan to over see it, snyder to direct it.

[Tobias]

Originally Posted by ЯɘvlveR

@ avengeME, I think it goes without saying that if marvel owned spidey, he would have been in this film.


@ mclay18, exactly. hasn't there been talk about the writing for MOS 2 already? well, there you go. that's your chance. you get your big dog in bats back, you get nolan to over see it, snyder to direct it.

That MOS2 story was shot down a while ago as I recall. It was reported on one of those not accurate sites. I don't think anything is being done there pending the "situation".

[OsGom]

Originally Posted by Tobias

I think WB needes to decide first what it wants to do with its DC properties.

A mega-film every year costing 200 million to make?

Or a film every year, but focusing more on less expensive characters like Lobo. That seems to be their 2014 plan.

Or maybe de-ephasize DC properties in the sense WB does not write in stone it has to produe a DC film every year, year-in and year-out.

With everything WB/DC has done in the past, say, 10 years, you still think they have a plan beyond Batman and Superman? That is pretty inspiring blind optimism. I salute you!

[ЯɘvlveR]

Originally Posted by Tobias

That MOS2 story was shot down a while ago as I recall. It was reported on one of those not accurate sites. I don't think anything is being done there pending the "situation".

ah i see. that's got to be one of the biggest reasons holding it up the jl up at the moment.

[Tobias]

Originally Posted by ЯɘvlveR

ah i see. that's got to be one of the biggest reasons holding it up the jl up at the moment.

I'm not sure that is the reason. Superman doesn't have to be in JL. Just like some in the audience asked why Spiderman wasn't in TA it sure didn't hurthe uber success of TA.

I meant nothing is being planned for anything after MOS because of the "issue".

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by Tobias

I'm not sure that is the reason. Superman doesn't have to be in JL. Just like some in the audience asked why Spiderman wasn't in TA it sure didn't hurthe uber success of TA.

I meant nothing is being planned for anything after MOS because of the "issue".

in the comic superman isn't a justice league founder (vol.1)
also it's a nice coincidence that loki is the villian for avengers because he is the villian in avengers #1

[Tobias]

[QUOTE=spider-neil;23162335]in the comic superman isn't a justice league founder (vol.1)/QUOTE]

Exactly. Superman doesn't need to be in the JL film.

[HighFivingMF]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

in the comic superman isn't a justice league founder (vol.1)

Yes he is.

[ЯɘvlveR]

Originally Posted by Tobias

I'm not sure that is the reason. Superman doesn't have to be in JL. Just like some in the audience asked why Spiderman wasn't in TA it sure didn't hurthe uber success of TA.

I meant nothing is being planned for anything after MOS because of the "issue".

i know what the issue is, but spider-man isn't to the avengers what superman is to the JL.

[jmc]

Just do a damn JL movie and be done with it.

[Juan1193]

I have given up on DC/WB and Marvel now has my full on support! I dont trust WB/DC nor do I believe anything they say because they have been saying the same thing for years! DC you lost already, sorry but the truth hurts.

[Thundercrack85]

Originally Posted by jmc

Just do a damn JL movie and be done with it.

If it was that simple, they would do it.

[Thundercrack85]

Originally Posted by AvengeME

Interesting point that was brought to my attention. Some guys hanging around for the after credit scenes were like, "This is New York, where was Spiderman?" Obviously we know the deal, but the general masses don't. Did it take something away not having Marvel's featured guy in that circle? Maybe a little, but not really.

So if Spiderman was available, where the hell was he? Well we know he is based in New York. His solo adventures are almost exclusively concentrated there. His villains? I wouldn't say incredibly over the top. Some crazy scientists and experiments gone awry. Nothing we haven't seen before in CBM's. His villains aren't aliens are external threats. They are every day based threats based in the comic book world. Doesn't sound much different than Batman doing his thing in Gotham against psychotic villains.

So what happens when we get a more global threat? Why can't Spiderman and Batman branch of and lend the services to a team of heroes? I don't see a problem with that. Even in Nolan's world, I don't think it pushes it. So Batman definitely works. Much like Captain America, he isn't going to be taking on Thanos or Darkseid directly. But he definitely can serve a purpose.

Depending on MOS, I think the next step is definitely World's Finest in 2015. WB needs to secure a date so that Marvel doesn't run upshot at the box office with Avengers 2. A Batman reboot can not overpower a late summer slot. It will suffer the same fate as TIH or ASM IMO, although mitigated by a stellar previous trilogy. People have already penciled in Downey Jr. for two more Avengers movies so I don't think Bale would shoot it down if Nolan co-produced and they had a stellar script. If MOS fails, send Snyder packing and pencil in Batman 4.

Where were the Fantastic Four? Where were the X-Men? Where was Daredevil? That's the problem with Marvel. Everyone and their brother lives in New York. Hell, most of them live in Manhattan.

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by HighFivingMF

Yes he is.

you're right.
I was going by the cover (brave and the bold #28) superman isn't on the cover (and neither is batman).

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

If it was that simple, they would do it.

it is that simple. WB own all the rights to all the DC characters so it's not like marvel where they can't bring the xmen and the FF together or have a spidey and daredevil team up because marvel don't own the rights.

if WB wanted to make a JL movie there is nothing to stop and you can bet if they'd made JL instead of the disgraceful green lantern they would better off at the box office.

[jaymes_e06]

Originally Posted by jmc

Just do a damn JL movie and be done with it.

I'm with this guy.

[Bruce_Begins]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

Thus far... we have one franchise. And possibly Superman, though Returns failed to spawn a franchise. Maybe the new one will work.


First DC has to figure out how to make the characters work in live action. Work to the point that they are commercially successful.

So what if Superman Returns was not vey successful, so were Ang lee's HULK and then Louis Leterrier's The Incredible Hulk, still we got Hulk in The Avengers.

Similarly, we already have Superman (from SR), Green Lantern, and Batman, they could just add a Black Canary and make a Justice League movie.

I say that forget about Wonder Woman and Flash, they can be in the next sequel to JL after they get individual solo movies.

Make a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie with

Routh / Cavill as Superman.

Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern.

Some new actor as Batman.

Some actress as Black Canary.

Mission accomplished.