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Old 05-05-2012, 09:18 PM   #51
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I would take the FF and craft more of an adventure series out of it, like an Indiana Jones type feel with the group going after crazy artifacts and exploring other dimensions. In an opening action scene I would introduce AIM to the MCU as they try to intercept the FF's discovery of some powerful object. And no origin film, I would have a whole thing where the Baxter Building is like a tourist attraction (the FF being huge celebrities in this world) and the origin is told in a Jurassic Park style ride/video.
right on! this is perfect. i have a feeling Marvel has been really close to working out a deal with Fox for a while now. hopefully the Avengers success will push Disney into making it happen.
and if they do, i hope they go exactly like this.

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Now that the movie is out, we can do spoilers now. Although feel free to do ninja text!

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A.I.M. Instead of being a true terrorist organization, the are a conglomerate of weapons manufacturers who sell on both sides of the table (perhaps hint they had a hand in Howard Stark's Death because he wouldn't play ball, or that Obadiah Stane was a member). When sales dip, they stir the pot. Their operatives never take credit for the atrocities they commit, letting the blame fall in where ever the offended party wants. They are war profiteers who ensure their continued jobs. They also control the flow of tech. This is why Tony has the ARC reactor which is free clean energy, but no one else does. They are stopping his tech from leaking out (also explains how exotic tech can exist). Thus they have warehouses of advanced tech they are sitting on to keep their companies in the black.

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In The Pacific, Where they never really ran into Cap much, The Hand made it's first formal appearance in WWII. However, they were put to pains by a strange soldier who fought like a beast and a burning man (Details are unclear at this time. There were rumors through out the pacific theater of a "human torch" assisting the allied forces. The soldier who fought like a beast was sometimes identified as a canadian special forces operative, name withheld). The SSR branch in this theatre put together an extensive file on the Hand.

Founded in 1588, the were originally nothing more than any school of a style of ninjitsu,farmers and peasants learning to fight in secret to defend themselves from corrupt warlords. However, during the Meji Revolution, in 1887, the Hand underwent their first major schism. There is still a group that trains in the hills purely for the physical and spiritual enlgihtenment, but there is also the sect of the Hand lead by a family who's surname translates to "Snakeroot". This branch began to manipulate the larger businesses such as weapons manufacturing, and the growing criminal element. Then there is the sect known as the Underhand. Little is known about this group of ninja, except that even other Hand Ninja fear them. They are said to be undead, but this has yet to be conclusively proven.

as the years rolled on the Hand has continued to have heavy influence in Japan, and as the country modernized and expanded its' interests, it is possible, if not probable, that the Hand has begun to operate overseas. However, due to their very signature being not only stealthy but undetectable assassination, they are hard to define as certainly in the country. SHIELD Agents Wing and Ayala have been investigating the situation extensively, working closely with an MI13 agent wishing to be identified only by her codename "Psylocke"

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The Expanded SHIELD: We have only seen a small portion of SHIELD in the MCU so far, and there are many other agents that could still show up in the MCU.

Sharon Carter (Codename: AGENT 13): Presumably the Amanda Righetti agent from CA:TFA, Carter is the Grandniece of Peggy Carter, to whom she has a passing resemblance. When Fury notices that Captain Rogers is continuing to have some difficulty adjusting to the modern world, he assigns Agent 13 to work with him on a case about the possible re-emergence of HYDRA.

Jimmy Woo: Part of SHIELD's division dealing with possible threats emerging from Asia, Woo would be a good fit in the Iron Man 3, since it'll apparently take place partially in China.

Clay Quartermain: When it appears that Banner has lost control of the Hulk, Quartermain is dispatched to lead SHIELD's new "Hulkbuster" unit.

Barbara Morse (Codename: MOCKINGBIRD): Skilled with battlestaves and martial arts, Morse, like Romanov, is often partnered with agent Barton on missions for SHIELD. However, her relationship with Barton is usually far less platonic than the Black Widow's...

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In The Pacific, Where they never really ran into Cap much, The Hand made it's first formal appearance in WWII. However, they were put to pains by a strange soldier who fought like a beast and a burning man (Details are unclear at this time. There were rumors through out the pacific theater of a "human torch" assisting the allied forces. The soldier who fought like a beast was sometimes identified as a canadian special forces operative, name withheld). The SSR branch in this theatre put together an extensive file on the Hand.

Founded in 1588, the were originally nothing more than any school of a style of ninjitsu,farmers and peasants learning to fight in secret to defend themselves from corrupt warlords. However, during the Meji Revolution, in 1887, the Hand underwent their first major schism. There is still a group that trains in the hills purely for the physical and spiritual enlgihtenment, but there is also the sect of the Hand lead by a family who's surname translates to "Snakeroot". This branch began to manipulate the larger businesses such as weapons manufacturing, and the growing criminal element. Then there is the sect known as the Underhand. Little is known about this group of ninja, except that even other Hand Ninja fear them. They are said to be undead, but this has yet to be conclusively proven.

as the years rolled on the Hand has continued to have heavy influence in Japan, and as the country modernized and expanded its' interests, it is possible, if not probable, that the Hand has begun to operate overseas. However, due to their very signature being not only stealthy but undetectable assassination, they are hard to define as certainly in the country. SHIELD Agents Wing and Ayala have been investigating the situation extensively, working closely with an MI13 agent wishing to be identified only by her codename "Psylocke"
you've done it likwise good work gamerboy

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The organization of SHIELD has not existed as long as many people think it has. It's earliest forerunner, the Strategic Scientific Reserve, SSR, was founded to oppose first the Thule Society, and the more more aggressive Hydra organization coming out of Nazi Germany. After the war ended, the SSR was severely gutted, leaving only the very best scientific minds, including those of Howard Stark and Albert Einstein. It went through several name changes, and folded in different fields, Including a group set up to attempt to replicate the success found in Captain America, a group called "The Weapons Plus Program". Details on the project are SHIELD Classified "Eye Only".

The name SHIELD (Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement, and Logistics Division) came was applied in 2003, after the catastrophic events of the Weapon's Plus Program when it was re-initialized by General Thadeus "Thunderbolt" Ross. Ross ordered unethical tests that created the first confirmed meta-level threat since the end of WWII (The being on file as "The Hulk"). SHIELD was given the job to research what happened and file what happened. The new organization pulled from the best top level espionage, intelligence, and research groups in the country including United States Army Research, Developement, and Engineering Command had already been fine tuning the Helicarrier technology and the put their prototype (mothballed for budgetary reasons) into service for SHIELD. With labs working with direct feed back from field agents, weaponry became more advanced more quickly.

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Like that, Zoken, but what about the fact Fury seems to answer to a WSC? Maybe it's US run and operated but technically a international organization?

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I just figured he answered to a senate or house committee or some nonsense. A bunch of people who have no idea what's going on telling him how to get it done.

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Like that, Zoken, but what about the fact Fury seems to answer to a WSC? Maybe it's US run and operated but technically a international organization?
It could be that SHIELD started as a US organization, and is still primarily US, but has allowed/encouraged other major nations to join a 'SHIELD Treaty', exchanging some degree of executive oversight for jurisdiction. That's my interpretation, anyway, since the WSC seats didn't actually match with the UN Security Council seats.

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right on! this is perfect. i have a feeling Marvel has been really close to working out a deal with Fox for a while now. hopefully the Avengers success will push Disney into making it happen.
and if they do, i hope they go exactly like this.
Thanks! To further explore it I would probably limit the FF's interactions with the greater universe until a sequel where the threat of Annihilus looms after Reed's breach of the Negative Zone and attracts the attention of SHIELD. The first film would of course introduce Victor Von Doom as the villain (complete with the sorcery angle with tie-ins to Doctor Strange.) For the third film my tendency would be to go full Galactus, introducing The Silver Surfer, and maybe even featuring some cool cameos as great minds like Banner, Pym, Stark, and yes, Von Doom join Reed Richards in trying to solve the problem and other Avengers characters join the fight.

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The really cool thing you could do with Daredevil in a shared universe film, while he should be an outsider, is recreate Born Again where Captain America and the Avengers show up at the end to deal with Nuke.

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Although now that I think about it, the SRS in CA:TFA had Peggy Carter, who was obviously British...


Anyway, continuing on the SHIELD kick:

S.W.O.R.D.: In the aftermath of the invasion of Manhattan, the World Security Council and US Government created a sister agency to SHIELD, entitled the Sentient World Observation and Response Department, or SWORD, which was to deal with threats from outer space. The reasons for this were twofold: the first, official reason was that the WSC thought SHIELD was being stretched too thin trying to handle both terrestrial and extraterrestrial threats. The second, real reason was that the WSC was sure that Fury had become too much of a wild card, and that SWORD would with luck serve as a check on him. SWORD is currently run by the Abigail Brand, a loyal but antagonistic and eccentric woman who gets the job done but often pisses people off in the process (especially Fury, although the two both admit that the other is good at what they do).

The Raft: With the great increase of meta-level crime and threats, normal jails just wouldn't do. So the WSC and SHIELD created the Raft, a super-high-security prison. Transfers from other SHIELD facilities began shortly after the invasion of Manhattan, against the wishes of Nick Fury, who thought that putting the world's worst criminals in one facility was another one of the WSC's stupid-ass ideas. Current inhabitants include Samuel Sterns (who has begun to demand that people call him "The Leader"), Emil Blonsky (taken by warrant from the command General Ross, codenamed "Abomination") and a strange computer that claims to be WWII era mad scientist Arnim Zola.

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Ms. Marvel. Obviously she'll have to lose the swimsuit. Since she's got a military background it only makes sense that her outfit is more combat in appearance. Probably some sort of sleek, futuristic fiber that allows for ease of movement but covers her whole body. Throw on some cool looking boots and gloves and maybe, just maybe a futuristic set of goggles that just happen to look like a mask with clear lenses. And the big S/lightening symbol could still appear on the outfit just as big.

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Classic Nick Fury: The alter-ego/costumed avenger alias of Tommy Lee Jones' Colonel Phillips during WWII. Would explain why he is cut out for project rebirth to create a public-facing costumed avenger with twice his mortal strength. The eye-patch could be part of the costume, inspired by pirate stories and trying to look as intimidating to Nazi forces as possible. After Cap is frozen, he uses the spin-off Infinity Formula to give himself new vitality (not unlike Emil Blonsky -- though it is not the fully-developed super soldier formula that was destroyed). It might look rediculous to have a man of his age running around like Blonsky did, so let's say the formula allowed him to the energy of a man twenty years younger than him; and at least allow him to realistically take the fight to open battlefields, guns blazing!

He also has been questioned about his tolerance for integrating his ranks of Howling Commandoes with minorities ((this aspect goes way back in 616 lore)). It is revealed that he has a secret black lovechild ((borrowing from 616 "Battle Scars" storyline)) named Isiah Bradley ((borrowing from "Red, White, and Black" storyline)) from a romantic encounter with a black French woman while running missions over there. Isiah is reunited with his estranged father while he is running missions for the French Resistance. Colonel Phillips/Nick Fury recruited him for his Howling Commandoes -- and when Project Rebirth is originally pursued, they want to test it on African American soldiers ((borrowing again from "Red, White, and Black" storyline)).

Phillips is horrified when they select the finest black soldier in their ranks to test it on -- his secret son!! They get as far as the Infinity Formula to test on him, with much anxiety as it has killed many black test subjects in its earlier iterations. This could add a really dark "win at any cost" layer to the traditionally squeaky-clean allied forces of Marvel WWII. Bradley performs so well, that they want to test further versions on him to keep the experiment evolving. But Phillips, fearing for his secret son's health, sabotages the program, leaving Bradley a quasi-super-soldier but not much more.

After Cap is frozen and Phillips returns to the Nick Fury role with the Invaders over in Europe; he finds that the Infinity Formula has its limits, and once he realizes that it will eventually fade from him ((borrowing from "Battle Scars")), appoints his son Isiah to be the next Fury.

Bradley takes on his father's avenger name and becomes "James Fury" ((borrowing either from "Ultimate Avengers: The Movie" or "Avengers: EMH cartoon", can't remember where...)).

But eventually, he passes the mantle to his own son, naming him Nick Fury -- but giving him the fake identity of "Marcus Johnson" to protect him from his enemies of the Cold War-era spy game.

James Fury/Isiah Bradley is killed in action; and young Marcus grows up with foster parents, unaware of his father and grandfather's legacies of super-spy world-saving. He fights in Afghanistan and meets his best friend Phillip "Cheese" Coulson ((borrowing again from "Battle Scars")).

After the two of them are captured by nascent supervillains in the modern era, they are rescued by SHIELD and a couple of early "metahumans" that will eventually be betrayed and locked up by SHIELD ((I think SHIELD needs to have that sort of darker government edge that they have in Ultimate Comics; and this is also similar to the Horned Rimmed Glasses man and his relationship with superhero co-workers slash prisoners in the first season of "Heroes")).

Marcus Johnson and Phil Coulson, now members of SHIELD -- rise through the ranks; with Johnson's true identity and family lineage revealed to him. This love for his father and grandfather by top SHIELD brass causes him to rise through the ranks quickly, and his best friend Coulson never questions why Johnson gets to be elevated so quickly -- instead just happy he gets to work with superhumans, and being a loyal company man to the end.



That was quite long and rambling -- but there's still a lot to do to converge Ultimate Nick Fury, Classic Nick Fury, New 616 Nick Fury, and Movie Nick Fury. Could make for an entertaining origins movie -- Captain America meets James Bond meets Men in Black (in terms of secret government agency keeping the secret history of the world from the general public). You could see the Invaders and Howling Commandoes fight in WWII in the beginning; James Fury fighting Commies and their other-worldly allies in the 60s ((Agents of Atlas cameo???)); as well as incorporate some of Mark Millar's Ultimates ideas of Chitauri having influenced our darker government aspects post-WWII through decades of radio and TV sublimation ((which is SO John Carpenter's "They Live" that it's awesome!!)) -- I think the darker government influences and fearmongers could give rise to the "Secret Empire", which could be used in either a future Nick Fury or Cap movie...As well as have links to the yet-to-be-revelead neo-fascism of Maria Hill and the much more unabashed neo-fascism of Peter Henry Gyrich ((whom might be tied to Fox's X-Men universe exclusively -- but he's had enough appearances with the Avengers that it could maybe be swung...))

I love how the end of the Avengers has them loosely organized -- and that they will re-assemble on THEIR terms; not as puppets of SHIELD. SHIELD's leadership almost nuked New York. I want to see Nick Fury as a good man trying to steer SHIELD towards doing great things despite it's darker government edge.


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How about "The Ultimates" as a team name?

In the Ultimate universe, the Avengers are actually called "The Ultimates", and the "Avengers" are a black ops group more closely tied to SHIELD that go on assassination missions for Nick Fury.

Why not flip-flop the names. The MCU version could have "The Ultimates" as Nick Fury's personal team of masked vigilantes who do the dirty work that they (especially now that the Avengers have distanced themselves from direct SHIELD command) need done to pre-emptively stop future superhuman catastrophes.

Members: Blade (reacquired by Marvel), Punisher (likewise), War Machine (more pro-government than any of the other Avengers), and Hawkeye (he gets reeled back in despite his affiliation with Stark and Cap's Avengers).

Mission: To take out those who deal in stolen and bootlegged supersoldier serums, technology, and metahumans -- before they can be sold to rogue governments and warlords.


I think that the storyline of Tony Stark's estranged brother Gregory returning from off the grid to one-up Tony now that he is a famous superhero member of The Avengers -- by manipulating his secret extremist anti-war methods (in other words kill those first-world governements before they have a chance to wage war with Stark tech) within SHIELD; rising to its head directorship after framing Nick Fury.

By reuniting and getting his brother to trust him and turning Stark and Cap's Avengers against Nick Fury and further against SHIELD, he will get Fury ousted and on the run as a fugitive (replacing him with Agent Carol Danvers -- or mashing up 616 into it and explaining the rise of Maria Hill through this method) -- with Fury's only team to turn to being his "Ultimates".

If you read that run on Ultimate Comics, it's got phenominally great cinematic twists and turns. With Stark and Cap's team eventually figuring out Gregory Stark's agenda to make a private army of superheroes via SHIELD that will make peace in the world by carrying the BIGGEST stick of them all (access to superhumans). Meanwhile Thor, who as guardian of Earth, is truly anti-war -- sniffs out Gregory's fake peaceful sentiments first and realizes how dangerous he truly is... funding freedom fighters in Iran and North Korea... using war to prevent war... It is Thor that will ignore Tony's appeals to him to think of his own misguided brother; and hypocritically deem Gregory too dangerous to live.

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Miss Marvel

I love this character but I have trouble seeing her in her own film.

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Carol Danvers is a SHIELD agent, recently transferred in from Air Force, she's assigned to liase with Captain America, they hit it off remarkably well. They're tasked with investigating Walter Lawson, who is suspected of being a double agent for an unknown organization. Turns out he's a spy with the Kree, (who turn out to be Thanos' elite guard). Lawson, now revealed to be Pluskommander Generis Halason Mahr Vehl has a change of heart, thanks to Cap's nobility and his affection for Danvers, even though hers is revealed to be pointed at Captain Rogers - and sacrifices himself protecting her from some meta-explosion which passes his powers to her. Cap finally faces off against something called Ronan, a vastly superior foe whom he defeats by turning his own weapon, and judgement against him.

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Carol Danvers is the new agent, formerly a SHIELD pilot, with an Air Force Intelligence background, brought in to replace Coulson. She is supposed to be Natasha's contact while she infiltrates New Hyrda, but ends up getting captured herself. She befriends the co-director of the operation, a Kree Pluscommander named Mahr Vehl. Though he is an antagonist for most of the film, he does experience a change of heart and sacrifices himself to save Carol from an explosion, giving her her powers. Then, she assists SHIELD in wrecking house on the Kree/Hyrda soldiers, while Natasha takes on MODOK or Super Adaptoid or Taskmaster or whoever.

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Daredevil... no costume, other than maybe some urban ninja gear. Play him as a Lawyer with a knack for playing detective. Keep the senses at either above normal or super-human. He's not some masked vigilante, it's just that he leaps from roof-top to roof-top and the people who've snapped jpegs of him started calling him the New York Daredevil, and then just The Daredevil. Make this character, physically, as simple as possible. Keep most of the story from the movie we had (Matt suspects the Kingpin, meets Elektra, they become involved (don't intimate that it's more than dating) and her father dies, and she goes a little off the deepend. Most of the story was very good. Have Jack, seeing that his son is feeling weak after being blinded, take Matt to a dojo that will train him, there he meets stick. And that is who Matt talks to instead of the priest.

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^I like it. A LOT. good stuff.

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Spider-Man: Honestly, I have almost no problem of seeing the Raimi movies being set in the MCU. Just ignore a few things (cough-dancing-cough) that was far too out of left field, Raimi's tone is very similar to the MCU films. Probably because the success of SM1 influenced IM1 and TIH, the first two MCU films, in my opinion. Just have him not be on Fury's radar because he thinks Parker's too immature.

However, if you want to redo him for the MCU, I'd say give him the Ultimate Comics context (high school smartass who is too young for The Avengers and therefore Fury's always keeping tabs on him and trying to keep him out of costume, which causes Peter to dislike Fury as an authority figure), but with more of the regular Spidey's personality and rogue's gallery.

That's how I'd go about that.

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Spider-Man: Honestly, I have almost no problem of seeing the Raimi movies being set in the MCU. Just ignore a few things (cough-dancing-cough) that was far too out of left field, Raimi's tone is very similar to the MCU films. Probably because the success of SM1 influenced IM1 and TIH, the first two MCU films, in my opinion. Just have him not be on Fury's radar because he thinks Parker's too immature.

However, if you want to redo him for the MCU, I'd say give him the Ultimate Comics context (high school smartass who is too young for The Avengers and therefore Fury's always keeping tabs on him and trying to keep him out of costume, which causes Peter to dislike Fury as an authority figure), but with more of the regular Spidey's personality and rogue's gallery.

That's how I'd go about that.
The main challenge to incorporating the Raimi films straight, is that while they totally fit in tone, its hard to see the actual *events* not drawing SHIELD's attention. Particularly the first one, seeing as it involves a super soldier research program that gets hijacked.

It *would* help explain why no one ever broke Peter Parker's identity, though ( Coulson: "Okay, someone just uploaded his picture to the web. Zap that." ).

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Daredevil... no costume, other than maybe some urban ninja gear. Play him as a Lawyer with a knack for playing detective. Keep the senses at either above normal or super-human. He's not some masked vigilante, it's just that he leaps from roof-top to roof-top and the people who've snapped jpegs of him started calling him the New York Daredevil, and then just The Daredevil. Make this character, physically, as simple as possible. Keep most of the story from the movie we had (Matt suspects the Kingpin, meets Elektra, they become involved (don't intimate that it's more than dating) and her father dies, and she goes a little off the deepend. Most of the story was very good. Have Jack, seeing that his son is feeling weak after being blinded, take Matt to a dojo that will train him, there he meets stick. And that is who Matt talks to instead of the priest.

See, I totally don't understand this POV. WHY, when the Avengers has just shown that being faithful to the comic, including the costume (which is a HUGE part of each character), would you want to do a Daredevil movie WITHOUT the costume? The difference between heroes (James Bond, John McClane, Rambo, etc.) and costumed heroes is...the costume! Daredevil is a costumed hero and any portrayal of him should include the costume. Actually like the rest of your ideas though.

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Old 05-11-2012, 12:13 PM   #74
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I've hinted at this earlier, but here's a bigger expansion:

THE KINGPIN: Not every evil threatens entire cities, and even as the world has become more fantastic every day, there are still some who do not look towards outright and overt domination, but rather aim to rule from behind the scenes: for profit, for prestige, for political power. They are the men pulling the strings. Because although there are now supercriminals, crime itself hasn't changed much. Wilson Fisk is a man who has realized this, and who has become the "Kingpin" of New York City crime.
This "Kingpin" is a near legendary figure, often working through middlemen, to the point where many, including the NYPD, believe the "Kingpin" to be a urban legend, a moniker held by various organized crime figures. Only a very few suspect that this "Kingpin" is not only real but actually Wilson Fisk, a rich businessman and philanthropist who helped finance the rebuilding of Harlem after the battle between the Hulk and Abomination and providing scholarships to at-risk youth.
However, the rise of superheroes has begun to put a hit on the Kingpin's business, and two in particular are increasingly becoming a thorn in the side of his operations: Spider-Man (who seemingly is just running into the Kingpin's operations) and Daredevil (who appears to be going out of his way to stop them). Something, Fisk knows, must be done with these two interlopers...

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Old 05-11-2012, 01:51 PM   #75
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Daredevil... no costume, other than maybe some urban ninja gear. Play him as a Lawyer with a knack for playing detective. Keep the senses at either above normal or super-human. He's not some masked vigilante, it's just that he leaps from roof-top to roof-top and the people who've snapped jpegs of him started calling him the New York Daredevil, and then just The Daredevil. Make this character, physically, as simple as possible. Keep most of the story from the movie we had (Matt suspects the Kingpin, meets Elektra, they become involved (don't intimate that it's more than dating) and her father dies, and she goes a little off the deepend. Most of the story was very good. Have Jack, seeing that his son is feeling weak after being blinded, take Matt to a dojo that will train him, there he meets stick. And that is who Matt talks to instead of the priest.

I strongly dislike this.
Primarely because i'm tired of writers/directors trying to make a comic book film without staying close to the comic. A non-superhero superhero movie. Those piss me off. Either do a comic book movie based on the comic or don't. But don't go half-assed and try to make it "real"

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