Discussion: Gay Rights X

[Franklin Richards]

Originally Posted by Hotwire

Do these two pictures really look all that different?



The only real difference I can see here is that the argument made in the top photo was deemed unconstitutional because it violated the 14th amendment.

To SentinelMind, who I'm sure will be gone for a few weeks like usual, tell me EXACTLY why gay marriage is any different, under the 14th amendment, than interracial marriage?

[Hotwire]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

You've come so far North Carolina!

[8wid]

Every state does have the right to decide for itself the basis of whether or not gay marriage should be legal in their state. However, I don't believe in a legally defined term for marriage because I believe all domestic commitments between a single man or woman, and a single man and man, or single woman and woman should be a domestic partnership no matter the genders involved because there is no bias in that definition.

However what happened in South Carolina is fairly disgusting because most of the reasoning for voters to ban same-sex marriage came from Christian inspiration and is a repeat of what happened in California during 2008.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

See the fact is Gay marriage was already banned in NC so there was not need for this law. It actually is going to take away rights and protections for hetro couples as well as doubly banned Gay marriage.

There is just something so hateful about banning something twice. It's like they are just trying to piss Gay people off.

[mclay18]

Originally Posted by I SEE SPIDEY

There is just something so hateful about banning something twice. It's like they are just trying to piss Gay people off.

What makes it so infuriating is that in the counties where there's a large influx of young, college-educated people -- Durham (where I live), Mecklenburg, Orange, Wake, Buncombe, and Watauga -- voted against the amendment. Every other county, mostly comprised of rural and less-educated older folks, voted for it.

[wiegeabo]

Originally Posted by mclay18

What makes it so infuriating is that in the counties where there's a large influx of young, college-educated people -- Durham (where I live), Mecklenburg, Orange, Wake, Buncombe, and Watauga -- voted against the amendment. Every other county, mostly comprised of rural and less-educated older folks, voted for it.

That's what happened with Prop 8. The coastal areas like San Francisco and Los Angeles may be liberal and have good sized populations, but most of the people don't live there. And most of the other counties are rather conservative, especially the agricultural heavy Central Valley.

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by mclay18

What makes it so infuriating is that in the counties where there's a large influx of young, college-educated people -- Durham (where I live), Mecklenburg, Orange, Wake, Buncombe, and Watauga -- voted against the amendment. Every other county, mostly comprised of rural and less-educated older folks, voted for it.

Ah...more elitism from 'college educated liberals.' I suppose rural blue collar workers shouldn't be allowed to decide how to live their lives or govern their own state. Let's find some college educated liberals so they can be our masters.

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by wiegeabo

That's what happened with Prop 8. The coastal areas like San Francisco and Los Angeles may be liberal and have good sized populations, but most of the people don't live there. And most of the other counties are rather conservative, especially the agricultural heavy Central Valley.

A reliable blue state like California supported Prop 8...that says everything you need to know. It was pretty popular in some urban areas as well.

[SentinelMind]

Originally Posted by Matt

Well I think I know a thing or two having just graduated law school. The loophole is SCOTUS agreeing. They pick all of their cases and do not rehear precedents lightly. Only way they will is a total ideological shift which takes decades. You confuse what you want with what is.

Is this recent? Congratulations!! I think I remember you being a journalist, but my memory could be fuzzy.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Originally Posted by mclay18

What makes it so infuriating is that in the counties where there's a large influx of young, college-educated people -- Durham (where I live), Mecklenburg, Orange, Wake, Buncombe, and Watauga -- voted against the amendment. Every other county, mostly comprised of rural and less-educated older folks, voted for it.

Not a surprise. It's funny because the amendment is going to hurt a lot of those people too. I can see the regret coming a mile away.

I'm just shocked that so many people still haven't gotten over the whole Gay marriage thing. Unlike other progressives, I'm not going to name call or blame religion. I just think that since most people aren't Gay and won't ever engage in a homosexual act they just look at it as this completely Alien thing and either don't care at all or dislike it to the point that they will vote against their own interests. "As long as the queers don't git married!" The Bible and other religious texts are against pre marital sex and other things and I bet you that the people who voted for this amendment have most definitely engaged in that. The hypocrisy just gets to me so much and it's only there because the vast majority of these people aren't Gay.

I'm not going to lie I believe (I'm still not sure) that I voted against it in Ohio in 2004 (and voted for Kerry) but now I will never cast a vote against another person's rights. Ever.

I feel icky that we are allowed to vote against other people's rights in a free society.

Name calling and bashing religion isn't going to do anything though and the progressive websites that do that all ways piss me off and make me wonder, why am I on your side again? Don't push people away from the cause just because you are angry. I visit those websites and that has been annoying me all day.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

Ah...more elitism from 'college educated liberals.' I suppose rural blue collar workers shouldn't be allowed to decide how to live their lives or govern their own state. Let's find some college educated liberals so they can be our masters.

So should these states be allowed to ban everything that they don't like?

So they should be allowed to ban pre-marital sex?

So they should be allowed to ban so-called interracial marriage? You do not that some still want to ban that and it might be passed in some states if it went to a popular vote.

States Rights makes be shiver because if you read a history book you would know exactly what that means to black people.

[BMM]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

Ah...more elitism from 'college educated liberals.' I suppose rural blue collar workers shouldn't be allowed to decide how to live their lives or govern their own state. Let's find some college educated liberals so they can be our masters.

Yes, because you're the victim here.

[DACrowe]

Originally Posted by Hotwire

You've come so far North Carolina!

God, my old home state really humiliated itself with this stain for all time. There is actually a lot of smart and reasonable people in that state in certain areas, but this has doomed NC to again be lumped in with the Deepest and dumbest of the South. Oh well.

[mclay18]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

Ah...more elitism from 'college educated liberals.' I suppose rural blue collar workers shouldn't be allowed to decide how to live their lives or govern their own state. Let's find some college educated liberals so they can be our masters.

Why are you still here at all? You got what you wanted, now please stay out of this thread. Don't post here anymore if you can't find anything constructive to add here.

Baiting people isn't Christ-like either.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yes SentinelMind got what he wanted.

Gay people still can't get married in N.C and straight people are still divorcing their spouses in droves and a lot aren't getting married at all. And serial cheaters and divorcers (not a word, I know) are still allowed to marry as many times as they want. Degenerates like Donald Trump can still get married as many times are possible but marriage is saved because "Da Queers" can't get married.

[DACrowe]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

Ah...more elitism from 'college educated liberals.' I suppose rural blue collar workers shouldn't be allowed to decide how to live their lives or govern their own state. Let's find some college educated liberals so they can be our masters.

That's not "college educated liberal" elitism. It's pointing out factually that the parts of the state where people are educated, the amendment failed and the majority of the state that is rural still passed it by a 20 percent margin. And I do think history will judge those who voted for this amendment as biggoted, ignorant and backwards. Because that is exactly what this amendment is.

[wiegeabo]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

Is this recent? Congratulations!! I think I remember you being a journalist, but my memory could be fuzzy.

Decide how to live their own lives?

They're not deciding how to live their own lives.

They're deciding how OTHER PEOPLE live their lives.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Originally Posted by wiegeabo

Decide how to live their own lives?

They're not deciding how to live their own lives.

They're deciding how OTHER PEOPLE live their lives.

Exactly.

[SentinelMind]

President Obama to give interview that may cover gay marriage

Perhaps Obama will come out and announce what we already know, that his full-fledged support for gay marriage. Or...maybe he'll keep tiptoeing like we're stupid and wait until after the election.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-in-interview/

[wiegeabo]

Originally Posted by I SEE SPIDEY

So should these states be allowed to ban everything that they don't like?

So they should be allowed to ban pre-marital sex?

It's a class 2 misdemeanor in North Carolina.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Originally Posted by SentinelMind

President Obama to give interview that may cover gay marriage

Perhaps Obama will come out and announce what we already know, that his full-fledged support for gay marriage. Or...maybe he'll keep tiptoeing like we're stupid and wait until after the election.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-in-interview/

I know some doubt it but I think that Obama is for allowing Gays to get married I just think that he is pretending not to because he is a politician is doing polls on whether it will hurt him or not. I think that he will eventually come out in favor of it. Hopefully soon.

Originally Posted by wiegeabo

It's a class 2 misdemeanor in North Carolina.

Well that's embarrassing. Let me guess, they obviously don't enforce it.

[mclay18]

Originally Posted by I SEE SPIDEY

Well that's embarrassing. Let me guess, they obviously don't enforce it.

Yep, they don't.

[wiegeabo]

Originally Posted by mclay18

Yep, they don't.

Obviously, since they'd have to arrest themselves.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by I SEE SPIDEY

I know some doubt it but I think that Obama is for allowing Gays to get married I just think that he is pretending not to because he is a politician is doing polls on whether it will hurt him or not. I think that he will eventually come out in favor of it. Hopefully soon.

That makes it a bit more terrible. For a man (and a African American at that, whose entire race has experienced a long history of institutionalized discrimination) to ignore doing what is right and deprive others civil rights because he benefits from it makes it all kinds of terrible.

I would feel more comfortable if he was like Bush, just so stupid he doesn't know any better. But for Obama to know how wrong it is and still do nothing (while benefiting from doing nothing about the oppression) is sickening.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

That's just politics and yes politics is horrible but I don't see how it's more horrible just because a black man plays politics.

I know your feelings on this Matt and I mostly disagree with you.