The IRON MAN 3 News & Speculation Thread - Part 1

[Blader5489]

Has there been any word on whether or not Sam Rockwell return (for even a cameo)?

[MarvelKnight]

I Haven't even seem that in the rumor mill

[RealIrOnMaN]

Jeremy Latcham (producer of Marvel Studios films) on Justin Hammer:

"We definitely took steps to make sure that Justin Hammer did not get killed at the end of Iron Man 2, because we're going to want to see him again. He's a compelling guy, he's got a lot to say, he has a relationship with Tony Stark, there's like a ton of reasons why you want him alive and around to kind of secretly pop up later."

[Whiskey Tango]

Plus he's an awesome dancer!

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[Silvermoth]

Originally Posted by Parker Wayne

Personally, I'd prefer him to only do The Avengers. I want each of them to have their unique looks and feels.

Plus, Shane Black.

I tend to agree. I like that each superhero has their own genre. It keeps things fresh.

Basically, this is what I see a perfect movie matching the character as in terms of style...

Iron Man - Science Fiction - The Matrix
Thor - Fantasy - Lord of the Rings
Captain America - Spy thriller - Bourne Ultimatum

and possibly in the future...
Hulk - Action blockbuster/Psychological thriller - Transformers meets Black Swan.

[TheWiseGuy487]

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

Jeremy Latcham (producer of Marvel Studios films) on Justin Hammer:

I hope they actually give him something more substantial to do in this film. I was really looking forward to his performance in Iron Man 2, because all of the interviews that I read gave the impression that he was supposed to be this really big foil to Tony Stark. Sadly, he was hardly given any material to work with, and all he pretty much did was tell jokes, ham it up on screen and help create the Hammer drones. He was pretty much just a poor man's Tony Stark.

[BrollySupersj]

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

Jeremy Latcham (producer of Marvel Studios films) on Justin Hammer:

If he comes back in IM3, I will be so pleased.

[bunk]

I could see Hammer dealing with the events of IM2 really poorly and coming back as a darker character.

[Whiskey Tango]

I wouldn't mind that, tbh that's part of what I was thinking the other day when I mentioned how I wished they'd have kept Stane alive. Would have been cool to bring a few of Tony's old opponents back in an alliance of sorts, maybe.

Prison would have to harden Hammer up a bit tho. I feel like the film went a tad too far in making him a chump.

[Dark Raven]

Originally Posted by bunk

I could see Hammer dealing with the events of IM2 really poorly and coming back as a darker character.

I wish he were a darker character to start with. Maybe they could retcon it that he has an older father, Justin Hammer Sr who looks just like the comic version, is an Englishman and just as ruthless.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Originally Posted by Dark Raven

I wish he were a darker character to start with. Maybe they could retcon it that he has an older father, Justin Hammer Sr who looks just like the comic version, is an Englishman and just as ruthless.

They could start Justin Hammer down that path. It'd work better because Tony wouldn't expect that level of cunning. He would catch Tony off guard.

[chamber-music]

If Justin Hammer does comeback I would definitely prefer a more ruthless, cunning and aggressive take on the character.

Alot of Iron Man's villains are working together right now in the comics to bring down Tony so I could see Hammer working with possibly Mandarin.

[bunk]

Originally Posted by Dark Raven

I wish he were a darker character to start with. Maybe they could retcon it that he has an older father, Justin Hammer Sr who looks just like the comic version, is an Englishman and just as ruthless.

I would've preferred if he were English and also not so much of screw up. He was really portrayed as not being able to do anything right, which seems silly given his high powered status.

[Hypestyle]

I hope that some kind of trailer is available by December, during the christmas holiday season. So now how will this avoid the third-film curse?

Hopefully the film will have multiple international settings.. almost too bad about Tony and Pepper's romance, though Tony should do some safe flirting iwith various women in the film..

Bruce Banner can have a cameo without a transformation.. Tony wants his help in analyzing what the extremis virus can do in human enhancement..

[The Guard]

I wish he were a darker character to start with. Maybe they could retcon it that he has an older father, Justin Hammer Sr who looks just like the comic version, is an Englishman and just as ruthless.

As forced as that is...I'm kind of all for it.

[Brian Braddock]

Originally Posted by Dark Raven

I wish he were a darker character to start with. Maybe they could retcon it that he has an older father, Justin Hammer Sr who looks just like the comic version, is an Englishman and just as ruthless.

Like it.

David Warner's still going strong. So too Edward Fox.

[Hunter Rider]

He should have a sex change and brecome Justine Hammer!

[terry78]

Originally Posted by Dark Raven

I wish he were a darker character to start with. Maybe they could retcon it that he has an older father, Justin Hammer Sr who looks just like the comic version, is an Englishman and just as ruthless.

Well, you guys are pretty evil.

[Dark Raven]

Originally Posted by Brian Braddock

Like it.

David Warner's still going strong. So too Edward Fox.

If he hadn't played Magneto, Ian McKellan would've looked like an accurate comic book Hammer.

Or how about Jesper Christensen (Bond villain Mr White in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace)?



He didn't look like that in the movie, but seems to have dyed his hair white for something. He looks just like Justin Hammer there. Get him as Sam Rockwell's dad and all will be redeemed.

[AndrewGilkison]

The only problem I have with Rockwell's Hammer is that his version of the character is a complete idiot. Great for comedic relief (in small doses) but he isn't any real kind of a threat to Stark, especially because his company can't build any tech that works. That's what IM2 needed, and what IM3 needs... a real threat to Stark.

[Brian Braddock]

^^^That's been posted on here before, and the general consensus seemed to be that there was absolutely no reason why Hammer couldnt come back more serious and deadly,with his experience in prison changing and shaping him. Also, let's not be totally revisionist here, while he was largely comics relief in IM2 [so what if his tech wasnt great and it was played for laughs? He has the rescources to bring in someone who's tech is. In fact, that's what he did with Vanko, springing him from prison etc].

Hammer did show moments of ruthlessness and the potential to be a viable threat. Could be that his imprisonment [and ordeals within that prison] was the experience which changed him. Sam Rockwell with darker, more serious approach to the character [now single-mindedly out for revenge] would be awesome.

[Crimson King]

I think having Hammer's tech being laughably bad was the only terrible decision with the character. It definitely took away from his believability as a bad guy.

[Tissues]

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[Tony Stark]

While he was very different from the comic book Hammer, I understood the change. Vanko was the threat to Stark because he was almost as smart as Stark. Hammer was a rival of Tony's and took over all his weapons contracts after Stark got out of the weapons business, but realized that being a weapons contractor was useless with Iron Man, so he tried to copy Iron Man. Hammer realized that Vanko was the only one that could do that.

My problem with Iron Man 2 had nothing to do with Hammer, but rather than Vanko should have been Crimson Dynamo and not Whiplash. I guess they chose whiplash because they thought CD would be too close to Iron Monger.

[Tony Stark]

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

While we have no big IM3 news (the ones that I have are not ready to be unveiled, not yet) I decided to revisit Iron Man 2 today on my Blu for the 1st time in 2 years. And you know what, I wasn't really excited nor happy, as I was during its initial release. The whole experience seems really different to me, now that I've seen all 6 MCU films.

First of all, the movie doesn't have the clear structure (plan) and that is why storyline suffers the most. I strongly believe, that Theroux wasn't the right guy for the job. Imo, RDJ overreacted during the shooting of Tropic Thunder and made a big mistake, by offering Theroux a scriptwriter position. In the end, it cost him, Favreau, Marvel Studios crew, fans & general public a GREAT sequel. I'm sorry to say that, but the truth is - what we've got is simply a collection of cool action scenes, visual spectacles and little story development (yes, we do have one, but you got to admit that it was EXTREMELY RUSHED).

The biggest problem with IM2 is that it tries to be too much, since most of the sequels have this tendency to go 'bigger, better' in scope. Don't get me wrong, there are great examples when 2 is better than 1 (Empire Strikes Back, Spider-Man 2, The Dark Knight, X-Men 2). We're observing several themes: Stark's legacy, his actions and its ramifications on his close ones, facing new enemies Vanko & Hammer, and S.H.I.E.L.D connections. And there's the whole 'public awareness' stuff, but it seems to be that as well as everything else in this film - it got completely out of control as well, which is the right way to describe the whole situation.

I don't feel satisfied with the exploration of the character of Tony Stark in this film. In fact, one of the many reasons why I loved Iron Man I so much is mainly because it showed an unusual, but not complete, transformation of a gifted individual into something more, than he already is. The way we see Stark's flaws and how he tries to overcome them and accept them is truly honorable. His big decision (a promise) to change the world for the better and protect the innocent ones (especially the ones, that suffered because of his tech) is one of the many aspects, that make IM1 a wonderful piece of art, but it is also represents something that I really wanted to see in IM2, after leaving IM1 in 2008. In particular: how he is going to handle all of that, especially with the revelation of his secret identity?

Allow me to quote Steve Rogers from The Avengers to express what exactly I see as a major problem of IM2:[/SIZE]Bingo, thank you very much Joss. Tony Stark doesn't go through any character development, at all. Stark Expo and the way he is 'preserving peace' equals another plot holes (and god almighty, this movie has a lot of them), that don't have a definitive ending. I expected to see something heroic in Tony's actions: inventing something useful and creative not only for himself, but for those in need, clearing up the streets of Los-Angeles from criminal scum... Something, that would show us exactly why Iron Man is a superhero. Instead, we're getting a 2-hour with something tale of a self-obsessed and volatile billionaire, that doesn't give a damn about anything except of his big ego + daddy/best friend/girlfriend issues along with 2 pricks and annoying organisation.

Yes, I know, you might say: "well, he has this urgent/deadly paladium problem and he needs to deal with it, fast, wait, what about Stark Expo - this is his legacy and the gift to the people of the world, right?" Well, no, it's clearly not. See, this is why IM2 doesn't work as a solo piece or a movie itself: we're supposed to believe, that Stark is actually taking care of someone else (beside himself and his close ones), but we don't see it, not in this movie. There is a wise saying: sometimes words aren't enough. God bless Whedon for the Avengers, but, honestly, in an ideal world, we should've seen that side of Iron Man in the sequel.

I would give more thoughts about some things, that don't work in this movie, but I am sure you know them all too well without me. What I am trying to say (and it is my main concern about the threequel) is that I want to see is how Shane Black deals with Tony's heroic side (especially after the courage and bravery that he shown, when he was fixing the Hellicarrier and saving all the citizens of NYC). We don't need to see Tony spending half of his own movie lying on his couch in LA or NYC and doing 'funny' stuff (been there, done that).

What we do know now is that Tony has created a brand new clean energy source, so Black might take this idea and take it into new heights. What does it mean for everyone else? How does it change or doesn't change things and etc. Expand the storyline wisely and show the audience exactly why should they root for the character (not only because of his witty and daring attitude). I believe, that with the right and smart use of the Extremis storyline along with Black's writing skills we are up for something different and new.

First off, no question IM2 was a step down from the original, and there's no two ways around that, and now comparing it to Avengers.....well there's no comparison. I would also put it behind Thor and Cap movies, but I'd put it above TIH, although they are close.

The point is the movie is alot better than people give it credit for, but it's a very different film. I can understand about it being rushed, and that's a fair criticism.

Personally I don't want to see anything in Avengers used as a spring board for Iron Man 3. They need to go back to what the original one was about, and about what Iron Man has always been about, Tony as a futurist and constantly trying to improve himself, both physically and as a person internally.

If they go the Extremis route, I feel this is the perfect vehicle, because one it's about Tony making the suit more a part of him.

Incorporating Mandarin, the ten rings, along with Maya and Killian is a great way to mix these stories in with the movie verse, so you can give something original to the fans, but a very compelling story.