Thor 2 Dark World news, speculation and pictures possible Spoilers - Part 2

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Anyone think we will see Odin be killed, and Thor inherit the Odinforce in the MCU? I am still not totally disbelieving the idea that thanos could have a small part (being cameo, nothing plot related) in a Thor movie, possibly killing Odin?

Yes BigThor, I know Odin is more powerful, but the whole "What kind of dark energy did the AllFather muster up" could be something that weakened Odin, allowing Thanos to kill him, or someone like Surtur or Mangog to kill him.


I want to see Thor inherit the Odinforce, very badly haha

I know you do man, but why have Thanos kill Odin when you have characters like Surtur who actually killed him before?

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by BigThor

I know you do man, but why have Thanos kill Odin when you have characters like Surtur who actually killed him before?

I mean, its just a way of yet again, tying together the MCU, nothing more :P.

Plus I don't see how else Thanos can get the gauntlet without defeating Odin.

And if Odin is to die, I hope it is 2, then we can have an Odinforce Thor in Thor 3. and I feeling Surtur appearing in Thor 2 would be a tad bit rushed.

But then again, Odin dying in 2, would mean Odinforce Thor in Thor 3, Avengers 2 AND 3. Which could be over kill.

[Avenger]

I think it'd be interesting if they introduced Balder in Thor 2, then have him get killed early on in Thor 3, leading to Ragnarok. Then Surtur rises up and Thor, Odin, and Loki work together to bring him down. In the end, Odin sacrifices himself to defeat Surtur and stop Ragnarok, and the Odinforce passes to Thor in time for The Avengers 3.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

I mean, its just a way of yet again, tying together the MCU, nothing more :P.

Plus I don't see how else Thanos can get the gauntlet without defeating Odin.

And if Odin is to die, I hope it is 2, then we can have an Odinforce Thor in Thor 3. and I feeling Surtur appearing in Thor 2 would be a tad bit rushed.

But then again, Odin dying in 2, would mean Odinforce Thor in Thor 3, Avengers 2 AND 3. Which could be over kill.

Thanos could easily engage Odin while his minions snag the Gauntlet, that way he could still have the IG even after "losing".

Besides, Odin Force Thor would be too powerful for The Avengers films so I think Odin's death should be saved for Thor III.

[MarvelKnight]

I think the closest we see Odin being 'killed' is collapsing again as he is on his way to his bed for the odinsleep.

Thanos killing odin would be a bit more than just a cameo appearance, don't you think? How could the all-father dying by the hands of thanos not affect the plot..

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think Thanos should be in direct conflict with anyone in Thor 2. I agree, he should be a presence. But, I think the movie shouldn't revolve around him, Loki should be scared, and amidst the chaos, maybe have the gauntlet missing. Then in the credits scene, you see Thanos with it in his hands. Thanos fighting should be saved for Avengers 2 or 3 (whenver they play that card). Having him fight Odin and win removes Surtur from equation later, and having him lose makes him look weak. Thanos is the main baddie to this point of the Avengers series. Visually speaking, he must be badass. Otherwise, why is everyone afraid? Yes in the comics, he may not be able to take Odin. But in the movies, he should if they want to do that. Why? Cause we need to buy into him as not just a credible threat, but THE credible threat.

That's whay I say avoid the issue entirely, have something mysterious happen, reveal he was behind it. Don't actually show him fight much like they did in Avengers. Build him up.

[Godzilla2000]

Originally Posted by BigThor

Thanos could easily engage Odin while his minions snag the Gauntlet, that way he could still have the IG even after "losing".

Or Thanos could utilize blackmail on Loki and get Loki to fetch him the Infinity Gauntlet.

Loki I think is screwed in general as he'll have to face punishment by Odin and has incurred the wrath of Thanos for failing him.

[psylockolussus]

I think Thanos will be the villain for the Avengers 2 but I think he would definitely be a fitting villain for Thor 2. Like if there's no Avengers 2, I would think that his next appearance would be Thor 2.

[marvel_freshman]

Originally Posted by psylockolussus

I think Thanos will be the villain for the Avengers 2 but I think he would definitely be a fitting villain for Thor 2. Like if there's no Avengers 2, I would think that his next appearance would be Thor 2.

I think the very same, especially since we know who has the cosmic cube at the end of the film, and not to mention where the Gauntlet is located. I won't be surprised if the villainy of THOR 2 is ignited from Loki's broken deal with Thanos.

I read an interview recently with Kevin Feige where he says, "And [the Chitauri] are sort of a marauding race, that is... Thanos kind of gets ragtag groups of people together to serve him, to do his bidding." I do believe Thanos will send off another elite, more intelligent, group with some cosmic significance, to Asgard.

And of course, this'd mean Thanos is still operating behind-the-scenes, eventually doing things himself in The Avengers sequel.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

I don't think Thanos should be in direct conflict with anyone in Thor 2. I agree, he should be a presence. But, I think the movie shouldn't revolve around him, Loki should be scared, and amidst the chaos, maybe have the gauntlet missing. Then in the credits scene, you see Thanos with it in his hands. Thanos fighting should be saved for Avengers 2 or 3 (whenver they play that card). Having him fight Odin and win removes Surtur from equation later, and having him lose makes him look weak. Thanos is the main baddie to this point of the Avengers series. Visually speaking, he must be badass. Otherwise, why is everyone afraid? Yes in the comics, he may not be able to take Odin. But in the movies, he should if they want to do that. Why? Cause we need to buy into him as not just a credible threat, but THE credible threat.

That's whay I say avoid the issue entirely, have something mysterious happen, reveal he was behind it. Don't actually show him fight much like they did in Avengers. Build him up.

Losing to Odin would hardly make Thanos look "weak", especially if he doesn't have the Infinity Gauntlet. What's the point of him wanting the Infinity Gauntlet if he already can whoop on guys like Odin naturally?

Odin already spent most of THOR fainting, looking wearing, and falling into the Odin sleep, the last thing we need to see is him getting beaten up. In the MCU he's pretty much one of the head honcho's of the universe, so I say avoid their "fight" entirely if they have to go the route of Thanos defeating him.

[Spider-Fan]

Originally Posted by BigThor

Losing to Odin would hardly make Thanos look "weak", especially if he doesn't have the Infinity Gauntlet. What's the point of him wanting the Infinity Gauntlet if he already can whoop on guys like Odin naturally?

Odin already spent most of THOR fainting, looking wearing, and falling into the Odin sleep, the last thing we need to see is him getting beaten up. In the MCU he's pretty much one of the head honcho's of the universe, so I say avoid their "fight" entirely if they have to go the route of Thanos defeating him.

Yes it would. If Odin can take him alone, why does he not just fight Thanos himself and win for the Avengers? Yes, the gauntlet may give him more power, but in Thanos's first film fight, you want him to lose. That DOES make him look weak cause it is a first impression. Thanos needs to look like the worst of the worst right from the start. You can't have him get beat down if he is supposed to be the biggest threat in the galaxy on his first fight.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

Yes it would. If Odin can take him alone, why does he not just fight Thanos himself and win for the Avengers? Yes, the gauntlet may give him more power, but in Thanos's first film fight, you want him to lose. That DOES make him look weak cause it is a first impression. Thanos needs to look like the worst of the worst right from the start. You can't have him get beat down if he is supposed to be the biggest threat in the galaxy on his first fight.

He really wouldn't be losing though because he will obtain the cosmic cube in the process and being a major threat is not always about being able to beat up everyone in a fist fight.

I'm not saying Odin should completely kick his ass or anything, as a matter of fact Thanos could end the fight after one of his minions obtain the IG. It could be virtually a stalemate with neither character giving an inch until it's eventually stopped.

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by BigThor

Thanos could easily engage Odin while his minions snag the Gauntlet, that way he could still have the IG even after "losing".

Besides, Odin Force Thor would be too powerful for The Avengers films so I think Odin's death should be saved for Thor III.

Agreed actually.

Originally Posted by MarvelKnight

I think the closest we see Odin being 'killed' is collapsing again as he is on his way to his bed for the odinsleep.

Thanos killing odin would be a bit more than just a cameo appearance, don't you think? How could the all-father dying by the hands of thanos not affect the plot..

TOuche

Originally Posted by BigThor

Losing to Odin would hardly make Thanos look "weak", especially if he doesn't have the Infinity Gauntlet. What's the point of him wanting the Infinity Gauntlet if he already can whoop on guys like Odin naturally?

Odin already spent most of THOR fainting, looking wearing, and falling into the Odin sleep, the last thing we need to see is him getting beaten up. In the MCU he's pretty much one of the head honcho's of the universe, so I say avoid their "fight" entirely if they have to go the route of Thanos defeating him.

Sure it would. I get what he was saying, BT. Thanos right now is supposed to be the big baddie. Odin isn't a part of the equation really, since he is exclusive to Thor, but I can see how having Thanos defeated by Odin can take away from his "aura" as "the villian". And having him stalemate odin, while minions retrieve the gauntlet would work, but if they were do go that route, I would want it to be shown somewhere that Odin is greatly above Thor first. So that even though Thanos without his weapon, stalemated someone much much more powerful than the avengers.

Originally Posted by BigThor

He really wouldn't be losing though because he will obtain the cosmic cube in the process and being a major threat is not always about being able to beat up everyone in a fist fight.

I'm not saying Odin should completely kick his ass or anything, as a matter of fact Thanos could end the fight after one of his minions obtain the IG. It could be virtually a stalemate with neither character giving an inch until it's eventually stopped.

I get what you are saying. But his first time in a fist fight in the MCU, IF, IF IF IF, it is in a Thor movie, he shouldn't lose. He shouldn't. A stalemate would be better. But I think showing Thanos weaker than Odin would not make him as "epic" or, big, of a villian in the MCU.

[Spider-Fan]

Originally Posted by BigThor

He really wouldn't be losing though because he will obtain the cosmic cube in the process and being a major threat is not always about being able to beat up everyone in a fist fight.

I'm not saying Odin should completely kick his ass or anything, as a matter of fact Thanos could end the fight after one of his minions obtain the IG. It could be virtually a stalemate with neither character giving an inch until it's eventually stopped.

For a character who is a mental threat, yes he doesn't have to seem physically superior. But, someone meant to be a physical threat HAS to. This is why a smarter villain has the 6"6 wrestler guy who beats people up. He takes that role he can't, and that guy always wins the first time. It is very basic writing 101: villains MUST be superior to the heroes, and having him outright lose a fight to Odin in his first MCU fight makes him look weak. That's poor writing.

[MarvelKnight]

Originally Posted by Avenger

I think it'd be interesting if they introduced Balder in Thor 2, then have him get killed early on in Thor 3, leading to Ragnarok. Then Surtur rises up and Thor, Odin, and Loki work together to bring him down. In the end, Odin sacrifices himself to defeat Surtur and stop Ragnarok, and the Odinforce passes to Thor in time for The Avengers 3.

Seeing Balder finally in Thor would be good.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

For a character who is a mental threat, yes he doesn't have to seem physically superior. But, someone meant to be a physical threat HAS to. This is why a smarter villain has the 6"6 wrestler guy who beats people up. He takes that role he can't, and that guy always wins the first time. It is very basic writing 101: villains MUST be superior to the heroes, and having him outright lose a fight to Odin in his first MCU fight makes him look weak. That's poor writing.

Re-read my post again...

I didn't say Thanos should "outright lose", especially since he'll still be conscious and have his mental faculties when he ends the fight.

[Spider-Fan]

Originally Posted by BigThor

Re-read my post again, you would see that I say nothing about "outright losing" to Odin, especially since he'll still be conscious and have his mental faculties when he ends the fight.

Yes, he obtains the ganutlet. But, he still looks weak. We, the comic fans, know who Thanos is. The GA doesn't. Thanos can lose fights in the comics because has been around for a long time, but in basic storytelling, any good villain doesn't lose until the very end. EVERY company ever does this. WWE makes unbeatable wrestlers go after the champion to sell more PPV's, ESPN buiolds up great teams so people watch their games, etc. When a villain is first introduced, they almost always thrash anyone they face until their first defeat. Once they lose that first time and the aura of invincibility is gone, then they come down to Earth. But, you need that invincible aura to fear them. Thanos is THE villain of the entire MCU franchise. That makes him more important than all supporting characters and villains before him to this point. Thanos needs to look badass. Having Odin beat him makes him seem less impressive. The Odinforce Thor of possible future we would KNOW can beat him. Now, if Thanos beats Odin, gets gauntlet, etc..we don't know how he can be beaten. There is more mystery. IT IS SPICIER!

I say this as a writer of screenplays, stories, and someone who has studied, in both school and independently, story structure...it is better cinematically if they made that fight happen that Thanos win. Yes, it is better for Odin if he wins. But, it is better for the STORY and FILMS if Thanos did, and those are more important.

But this is moot to me, cause Thanos fighting Odin in Thor 2 would be a distraction from whatever that story is. Thanos likely won't be the villain of Thor 2. Someone else will be, so it won't be Thanos' story. Thus, Odin vs Thanos would be out of place.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

Yes, he obtains the ganutlet. But, he still looks weak. We, the comic fans, know who Thanos is. The GA doesn't. Thanos can lose fights in the comics because has been around for a long time, but in basic storytelling, any good villain doesn't lose until the very end. EVERY company ever does this. WWE makes unbeatable wrestlers go after the champion to sell more PPV's, ESPN buiolds up great teams so people watch their games, etc. When a villain is first introduced, they almost always thrash anyone they face until their first defeat. Once they lose that first time and the aura of invincibility is gone, then they come down to Earth. But, you need that invincible aura to fear them. Thanos is THE villain of the entire MCU franchise. That makes him more important than all supporting characters and villains before him to this point. Thanos needs to look badass. Having Odin beat him makes him seem less impressive. The Odinforce Thor of possible future we would KNOW can beat him. Now, if Thanos beats Odin, gets gauntlet, etc..we don't know how he can be beaten. There is more mystery. IT IS SPICIER!

I say this as a writer of screenplays, stories, and someone who has studied, in both school and independently, story structure...it is better cinematically if they made that fight happen that Thanos win. Yes, it is better for Odin if he wins. But, it is better for the STORY and FILMS if Thanos did, and those are more important.

But this is moot to me, cause Thanos fighting Odin in Thor 2 would be a distraction from whatever that story is. Thanos likely won't be the villain of Thor 2. Someone else will be, so it won't be Thanos' story. Thus, Odin vs Thanos would be out of place.

Originally Posted by BigThor

I'm not saying Odin should completely kick his ass or anything, as a matter of fact Thanos could end the fight after one of his minions obtain the IG. It could be virtually a stalemate with neither character giving an inch until it's eventually stopped.

^ *ahem*

[MahvelBaby!]

Super excited about Thor 2! And Thanos having some kind of Role, and more Loki! And some Enchantress action? Bring it!

[Flemm]

If Odin goes down, I would expect it to be to Surtur. Thanos in the background, manipulating to get his hands on the gauntlet.

Thereby setting up the Avengers 2 and Thor 3. Something like that. Though I imagine that, if they are doing a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, Thanos would also play a role there.

[Neo_3]

I don't think Thanos would manipulate Surtur.

[Flemm]

Originally Posted by Neo_3

I don't think Thanos would manipulate Surtur.

Probably not directly. But... if we imagine, for example, that Surtur was imprisoned long ago in the movie-verse by Odin, I could see Thanos helping to manipulate his release, to weaken Asgard.

Once Surtur is released, well... no further manipultion needed.

[Incredible Hans]

In an interview at CBM Idris Elba says that Heimdall will play a bigger role in Thor 2.

[TTFN]

A movie like "The Avengers" doesn't just make $1 billion in a little less than 20 days without having a few sequels already in the pipeline. So, of course, the folks over at Marvel are already hard at work on a handful of follow-ups, including "Thor 2."

MTV News spoke with Idris Elba while he was promoting Prometheus" about reprising his role as the Asgardian gatekeeper, Heimdall, for the sequel, once again starring Chris Hemsworth in the title role. "Thor 2," which is scheduled to head into production later this year, is said to explore the other realms of the universe, outside of Asgard and Earth, so that would mean a heavier workload for Heimdall.

Idris Elba Promises 'Thor 2' Will Be 'Huge'
Though production has not officially begun, Elba has already started some prep. "I'm actually excited about it," he said. "I literally just did a costume fitting the other day."

Elba, who has only seen an outline of the story so far, said that he does anticipate a larger role for Heimdall in the sequel, but added that "Thor 2" will also be taking a closer look at the people who populate the mythical world. "Definitely Heimdall's more involved, but also, what's more involved is who the Asgardians are," he said. "I think we'll see a sense of that."

As past interviews with the cast have indicated, the scale of "Thor 2" is quite large, but Elba suggested that the focus narrows in on character in a way we haven't seen before. "It's a huge film, 'Thor 2,' but I also think it's micro in a way that you start to look at people, who they are a little bit more."


http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/168...promises.jhtml

[TTFN]

God I wish I could get my hands on that Thor 2 outline.