Avengers cartoon - Part 4

[Quasimod0]

Loved the episode. Makes me wish they were longer though

[Zant]

Originally Posted by Anubis

Give it rest fellas. This isn't Dragon Ball Z. Who gives a s**t. And for the record, when she had her Binary Powers, she was more powerful than Hulk, Thor, and just about everybody else this side of the Phoenix. And seeing as she's packing her post Binary Powers, which means absorption of all types of energy, including Kinetic, she probably can and should be able to beat the Hulk.

I agree,but people will now start bashing Miss M because she can give Hulk and Thor a good fight.For some reason some don't want any character to steal the show from the big four hence the Black Panther bashing last week.Can't wait to see her kick Hulk and Thors ass

[Tony Starkk]

Anyone know if this will get a Blu-Ray release?

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Anubis

Give it rest fellas. This isn't Dragon Ball Z. Who gives a s**t. And for the record, when she had her Binary Powers, she was more powerful than Hulk, Thor, and just about everybody else this side of the Phoenix. And seeing as she's packing her post Binary Powers, which means absorption of all types of energy, including Kinetic, she probably can and should be able to beat the Hulk.

All I said was they're making a big deal about her power with characters going "oh look she's strong", no one ever said anything about her not being able to defeat Hulk.

Originally Posted by Zant

I agree,but people will now start bashing Miss M because she can give Hulk and Thor a good fight.For some reason some don't want any character to steal the show from the big four hence the Black Panther bashing last week.Can't wait to see her kick Hulk and Thors ass

Where in the heck are you guys getting this stuff from, are you actually reading these posts are just skimming through?

[Savage]

It sounds like they're just skimming them to me. Apparently there was some Black Panther bashing. Were you aware of this, BigThor?

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Savage

It sounds like they're just skimming them to me. Apparently there was some Black Panther bashing. Were you aware of this, BigThor?

Nope I sure wasn't, but apparently people are bashing Ms. Marvel for overpowering Hulk

When I said they're hammering us over the head with her power, I was referring to the dialogue not her overpowering Hulk.

[Savage]

Incredible. It's almost like any sort of criticism of a work is interpreted as a venomous assault on the integrity of a fictional character.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Savage

Incredible. It's almost like any sort of criticism of a work is interpreted as a venomous assault on the integrity of a fictional character.

Yeah my complaints were more about a few lines dialogue rather than Ms. Marvel herself.

[Anubis]

Sounds like any sort of criticism of your criticism is treated like venomous assault.....

And honestly you do whine about power levels there BT.

[Quasimod0]

We havent seen bruce banner or Black panther without a mask in a long time

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Anubis

Sounds like any sort of criticism of your criticism is treated like venomous assault.....

Hey, I'm not getting butthurt over it. Just pointing out that people are quick to jump on criticism and call it complaining. Not complaining about the complaining, just pointing it out. Not everything about the show is hunky-dory, as awesome as it is.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Anubis

Sounds like any sort of criticism of your criticism is treated like venomous assault.....

And honestly you do whine about power levels there BT.

No...

I was referring to the "wow she's strong" remarks not her power level itself, but if you don't understand that's your problem.

Originally Posted by Savage

Hey, I'm not getting butthurt over it. Just pointing out that people are quick to jump on criticism and call it complaining. Not complaining about the complaining, just pointing it out. Not everything about the show is hunky-dory, as awesome as it is.

QFT

[venomfangs125]

Originally Posted by Dread

As the second season of "AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES" cruises along, the stakes seem to be steadily getting higher with the avenues to victory not seeming as clear cut as they once did. Every action from the last season has a reaction this season, and this show is able to develop multiple subplots from the past while sowing new ones in the present. This is also a show which seeks to pay homage to both recent stories as well as classic stories from the comic books while STILL having such things fit into the arc this season wants to tell. Last week was a battle with Korvac, and this week sees the start of "A:EMH" 's stab at SECRET INVASION, titled "WHO DO YOU TRUST?" This episode features a slew of characters, both new and returning ones, as it weaves it's tapestry of action and suspense.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

The episode starts off immediately with suspense as Maria Hill is given a rude awakening by Nick Fury and Mockingbird, who have decided to reveal what they've gone underground to hide; that shape-shifting Skrull aliens are among us. This naturally brings up details last brought up in "WIDOW'S STING", in which Fury and Mockingbird found out that Madam Hydra herself - the second in command of the international terrorist agency - was a Skrull alien spy. Fury and Mockingbird have gone underground ever since, leaving Maria Hill to run SHIELD. Fury claims that not only has SHIELD been infiltrated, but his suspicion that the Avengers have as well. The audience would know that Fury is right on the money, although his suspect is wrong; Fury has Hawkeye pegged as the Skrull, since both he and Mockingbird were captured and split up by Madam Hydra last season. Alas, Fury is close yet so far on even that suspicion. With this deed done, Fury and his team (which include Black Widow and Quake, the latter voiced by Lacey Chabert) set about to cluing in Iron Man about the mole in his midst. Meanwhile, the Avengers seek to officially welcome Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel as a full member, which comes with a pizza party as well as some light hearted ribbing. Given that she proved her mettle against Ronan and the Kree in "WELCOME TO THE KREE EMPIRE" as well as battled alongside the team in "MICHAEL KORVAC", she certainly had a trial by fire. The episode does a solid job of stating and showing how powerful she is; while not quite on par with Thor and the Hulk, she is close enough to give at least the latter a run for his money.

Quake incites a random villain, Griffin, into going on a rampage to get the other Avengers away from Stark. This naturally is a nod to the comics where Griffen is actually Quake's father. While the rest of the Avengers let Ms. Marvel fight Griffin alone as part of her hazing ritual, Fury and his crew kidnap Stark and give him the low down on the Skrull plot. While Tony is skeptical at first, he ultimately recalls mention of the Skrulls back in "459" by Mar-Vell as the rivals to the Kree. In the comics, the discovery of one person as a Skrull agent (in that case, Elektra) immediately led to worldwide panic for a year's worth of comics despite no evidence of there being more Skrulls. This show does a better job of explaining the panic with the detail that "Skrull Hydra" had an alien palm pilot device which Fury partly decoded for information. Naturally, the fact that even Fury's secret team is compromised with a Skrull who can feed him some misinformation also helps matters. Unfortunately, whatever skill Stark has in engineering he lacks in tact; he literally waits until the entire team is gathered, calls Hawkeye out as the Skrull and plays the "I can't trust anyone I've ever met and neither can you" card immediately. This causes the Avengers to fight each other and then mostly disband on the spot. By the time the dust has settled, the only Avengers left are Hulk, Hawkeye, Wasp, and "Captain America" - who we have known since the end of the last season is a Skrull himself, having captured and replaced Rogers right after they saved Asgard. While Quake is dismayed at how crudely Iron Man has used the intelligence he was given, Nick Fury still considers it a success since he estimates the sheer knowledge that the humans are on to them will cause the Skrull spies to be careless and make an error. In the final scene, however, it seems even Nick may be wrong.

Mockingbird herself turns out to be the Skrull in Fury's watch; which is a little ironic since Fury had a 50/50 chance to have guessed correctly as to which agent had been replaced by Madam Hydra's minion, and he still got it wrong. Either Fury didn't believe one Skrull would be willing to surrender another of her own kind merely for cover, or he was used to suspecting Hawkeye as a traitor when Black Widow framed him as a Hydra mole last season. Or, perhaps Fury deliberately told Iron Man to suspect Hawkeye as a bluff to smoke out some Skrulls? At any rate, Mockingbird being replaced fits with the new retroactive continuity from the comics that she'd been replaced - only this time, she's been replaced by Veranke, the Queen of the Skrulls. This show is also going with more modern revelations about the Skrulls, and likely choosing Veranke as their leader to contrast them from the Kree. Veranke is probably more memorable than the parade of male monarchs the Skrulls had for decades. Naturally, having a Skrull pose as Capt. America always seems to be an homage to the "Sensational Hydra" arc of CAPTAIN AMERICA from the 90's to me. Thus, this episode showcases that both Nick Fury and the Skrulls are playing a game of chess, and for the moment all of the heroes have been pawns. And to think, some viewers feel this level of suspense and antagonist competence can only be seen on "YOUNG JUSTICE". "Skrull Cap" is quickly emerging as the breakout villain of the season despite him being a servant to a Queen; he's apparently researched his "part" well and jumps at the chance to replace Iron Man as the leader of the squad. While there is a part of me that laments that the real Capt. America is losing out on a lot of character focus time, I must admit that this subplot has been played off swimmingly as well as providing an excuse for "Cap" to change costumes and use a new weapon for a short period. As of this episode, it appears as if the Skrulls have perfectly infiltrated every squad which could give them trouble and are free to feed them misinformation or lead them all astray. While Yellowjacket has been seen in a screen cap for a future episode, I honestly wonder if that will be the real Pym, or a Skrull attempting to impersonate him.

The episode also has a lot of other solid character moments. The scene at the pizza parlor was very cute. I did feel bad for Ms. Marvel when she flew off at the end of the debacle, as she did genuinely want to be an Avenger; she also seems to get in a dig at Janet with her suggestion that being a hero is only "a hobby" for her. While SECRET INVASION was a botched storyline in the comics, on this show it works better precisely because these characters haven't known each other for 40 years and thus a little mistrust can go a long way without everyone seeming paranoid or easily fooled. Thus, when Iron Man mentions the holes in the backstories of other characters, it actually works. Even the Avengers who remain assembled are three who have formed bonds with each other; Hulk and Hawkeye become buddies (of sorts) during "GAMMA WORLD", while Wasp and the Hulk have formed a simple tag-team tandem since "THE BREAK OUT". I see this as an homage to the "Cap's Kooky Quartet" era of the Avengers from the 60's, even if half the members aren't accurate. Naturally, the Hulk made his "deal" with Banner to remain the dominant persona so long as he's fighting baddies on the Avengers, so the Hulk is in no rush to split and be chased by the military again.

The animation for the episode was on par with usual episodes; not the best TV animation one will ever see, but it still gets the job done. Next week will see a story about Thor and the alien Beta Ray Bill, and I do wonder if Bill will be used as a link for Thor to get aboard the "alien plot" over in "Midguard" and fuel his eventual return to the team.

Bottom line? There are now only 5 episodes between now and "ALONG CAME A SPIDER", which will be the 13th episode of the season and thus the last one produced by Fine and Yost without interference. I honestly haven't a clue how this intense storyline can be wrapped up in five episodes, but I certainly look forward to the epic manner in which this show is going to try. Terrific episode, one of the most suspenseful ones the show has yet done.

It WAS a good episode and like you said, it scares me to think that one man could ruin the quality of such a great show after these next several episodes. Best enjoy it while it lasts.

The part where Clint was about to get Carol with his mini bow and she blasted it had me snickering.

The Avengers dividing---When I look out your reasoning it actually makes sense. Their reactions were more realistic than how YJ:I handled the Kroloteans.

I agree about feeling bad for Miss Marvel when she flew away, but she also showed a little 'benefit of the doubt' when she said she had no report to file. Looks like this is the part where BP becomes a part-timer ala Batman. I'm surprised Hulk stays on since this sort of thing would have any other Hulk bouncing for the deserted hills, I'm glad to say it's not this Hulk.

What has me anxious is the episode where...

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

Miss M, Wasp and Hawkeye form a rag-tag group and attempt to stop the invading Skrulls and find out that CapSkrull was their mole. They eventually head to Wakanda where the Skrulls masquerading as the original 8 Avengers team attack BP and his upgraded Wakandan army

The sooner it comes the better. I even have some of the concept art and the action is truly spot on.

Originally Posted by BigThor

No...

I was referring to the "wow she's strong" remarks not her power level itself, but if you don't understand that's your problem.

It's fine BigThor. I think the remarks on the "wow she's strong" were because she looks like an average woman whereas Hulk and Thor are big imposing figures who give off an air of regular toughness.

I remember Chris Yost said she was his favorite comicbook herione so we should kinda expect some highlights from her. Not that I'm complaining.

There will also be a part where several Avengers fight Thor, shown from a Master Class video. Possibly because they think 'cause he's in a new outfit, he's a Skrull. We'll see how she fares then.

[Venomfan]

Originally Posted by venomfangs125

There will also be a part where several Avengers fight Thor, shown from a Master Class video. Possibly because they think 'cause he's in a new outfit, he's a Skrull. We'll see how she fares then.

i'm gonna assume Thor won't do much to her. superhero cartoons usually don't show guys beating the crap out of women, usually the other way around

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, other people found it slightly irritating that Ms. Marvel got pumped way the hell up from her comic power levels in the cartoon too? Cool, I was just about to talk about that, but now I guess I don't have to. Carry on.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Hmmmm........yep, still don't give a single crap about anyone's power levels.

It sure is great to be me.

[TheCorpulent1]

It doesn't bother me on this show anymore, since people's power levels fluctuate wildly depending on which characters the creators are pushing that week. Cap probably isn't going to be taking down the entire founding Avengers roster again after his introductory episode, for example. Ms. Marvel's the hot new thing at the moment and she's been established as one of the team's powerhouses, so I get why she's being portrayed as a bit overly powerful. It's just jarring when I first see it because the internal logic that the fiction runs on basically farts in my mind's face.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Venomfan

i'm gonna assume Thor won't do much to her. superhero cartoons usually don't show guys beating the crap out of women, usually the other way around

Yeah I doubt he's gonna wail on her much, he'll probably just shoot a few lightning bolts her way and that'll be it.

Honestly I don't think he's going to fight the team very hard, I think he's just gonna fly around and try to evade their attacks.

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

It doesn't bother me on this show anymore, since people's power levels fluctuate wildly depending on which characters the creators are pushing that week.

This is one of the few noticeably lame things about this show, I prefer a bit more consistency in that area.

[Spidey-Bat]

I just found out about this show and have been watching it on Netflix. I'm up to episode 9 and absolutely love it, definitely the second best Marvel cartoon behind Spectacular Spider-Man. I see it's future of continuing looks bleak though. Any change in that? I'd hate to see it canned for more Ultimate ****.

[Boom]

Started watching season one on Netflix. This is The Hulk I want to see on the big screen. The Avengers turned him in the right direction. Now it's just a matter of taking the him down the stretch. His personality, his dialogue, his internal conflict with Banner. Perfect.

[Dread]

Originally Posted by venomfangs125

It WAS a good episode and like you said, it scares me to think that one man could ruin the quality of such a great show after these next several episodes. Best enjoy it while it lasts.

The part where Clint was about to get Carol with his mini bow and she blasted it had me snickering.

The Avengers dividing---When I look out your reasoning it actually makes sense. Their reactions were more realistic than how YJ:I handled the Kroloteans.

I agree about feeling bad for Miss Marvel when she flew away, but she also showed a little 'benefit of the doubt' when she said she had no report to file. Looks like this is the part where BP becomes a part-timer ala Batman. I'm surprised Hulk stays on since this sort of thing would have any other Hulk bouncing for the deserted hills, I'm glad to say it's not this Hulk.

What has me anxious is the episode where...

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

Miss M, Wasp and Hawkeye form a rag-tag group and attempt to stop the invading Skrulls and find out that CapSkrull was their mole. They eventually head to Wakanda where the Skrulls masquerading as the original 8 Avengers team attack BP and his upgraded Wakandan army

The sooner it comes the better. I even have some of the concept art and the action is truly spot on.

The next few episodes do look to be very exciting. It's worth a mention that this episode focused more on suspense and character interactions and moments than action. Sure, there was some fighting; between Griffin and the Avengers vs. Avengers action, but most of it was about laying in suspense and subplots. The team will be broken up together, but it will be interesting how it will all come together.

I wasn't surprised that the Hulk stayed. You could argue out of the three who remained, two had nowhere else to go - Hulk is considered a monster if he's not an Avenger and Hawkeye has burned his bridges at SHIELD and has good reason to not trust them - and the other is Wasp, who is passionate about being a hero. Naturally, "Cap" sees this as a chance to lead the squad for his Queen, but perhaps that will cause the Skrulls to reveal their hand, which could be a mistake. After all, their strength is on stealth and guile, not a full on invasion. That's the Kree's tactic.

Naturally I imagine we'll see more of Ms. Marvel. She wears a few hats, having been a part of the military, SWORD, and an Avenger.

I continue to enjoy this show more than "YOUNG JUSTICE". It has a great serial story, plenty of suspense, and more nuance than some imagine.

Originally Posted by Spidey-Bat

I just found out about this show and have been watching it on Netflix. I'm up to episode 9 and absolutely love it, definitely the second best Marvel cartoon behind Spectacular Spider-Man. I see it's future of continuing looks bleak though. Any change in that? I'd hate to see it canned for more Ultimate ****.

You and me and everyone else, brother.

Originally Posted by Boom

Started watching season one on Netflix. This is The Hulk I want to see on the big screen. The Avengers turned him in the right direction. Now it's just a matter of taking the him down the stretch. His personality, his dialogue, his internal conflict with Banner. Perfect.

Agreed. I've liked this show's version of the Hulk more than many other versions. It helps that he can express himself and can't effortlessly overcome any threat.

[natey2k4]

Originally Posted by Tony Starkk

Anyone know if this will get a Blu-Ray release?

If you don't mind ordering from Canada (shipping for a DVD is like $7.99)...

http://www.amazon.ca/Avengers-Earths...7171686&sr=8-2

I have it and it's awesome.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Well, looky here:

http://marvel.toonzone.net/avengerse...iews/33ballad/

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Dread

Agreed. I've liked this show's version of the Hulk more than many other versions. It helps that he can express himself and can't effortlessly overcome any threat.

True, I like how this version of Hulk is able to speak fairly well and doesn't have to roar all the time to express himself.

It's also quite refreshing to see Hulk struggle against opponents rather than bulldozing over everyone like most incarnations.

[Cyclonus]

Watching the scene from this last episode where it shows the Black Panther back in Wakanda sitting on the throne, for some reason I have a feeling that is a Skrull Black Panther, while the original has been with the Avengers or is on his way back to Wakanda. His outfit was slightly different and now he wants Wakanda to invade somewhere? Its, funny that so far Dr. Doom seems to be the only one with tech that can see if a person is a skrull or not, like how he detected that Sue Richards is a skrull. Man, you have to hand it to the Skrull Cap, he is playing that role down to the point. I'm still curious to see the episode that showed that pic of Nick Fury looking at a board of hero's with X crossed out on them, I guess him tyring to figure who is a Skrull or not. I think I remember see some Avengers, a couple of villains, Spiderman, some X-MEN. Also I wonder when the X-MEN are going to show up on this show, remember reading somewhere that they will be this season.

It looks like this show writers are trying to improve upon the original Secret Invasion storyline. Now with Mockingbird being a Skrull, which was a surprise, heck we really don't know who else maybe a skrull, it could be another Avenger on team or whoever.