The IRON MAN 3 News & Speculation Thread - Part 1

[BrollySupersj]

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

While we have no big IM3 news (the ones that I have are not ready to be unveiled, not yet)

Hold the phone.


You have IM3 news?

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Shooting starts pretty soon. Black and RDJ are gonna make this movie rock

[J.Howlett]

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

While we have no big IM3 news (the ones that I have are not ready to be unveiled, not yet) I decided to revisit Iron Man 2 today on my Blu for the 1st time in 2 years. And you know what, I wasn't really excited nor happy, as I was during its initial release. The whole experience seems really different to me, now that I've seen all 6 MCU films.

First of all, the movie doesn't have the clear structure (plan) and that is why storyline suffers the most. I strongly believe, that Theroux wasn't the right guy for the job. Imo, RDJ overreacted during the shooting of Tropic Thunder and made a big mistake, by offering Theroux a scriptwriter position. In the end, it cost him, Favreau, Marvel Studios crew, fans & general public a GREAT sequel. I'm sorry to say that, but the truth is - what we've got is simply a collection of cool action scenes, visual spectacles and little story development (yes, we do have one, but you got to admit that it was EXTREMELY RUSHED).

The biggest problem with IM2 is that it tries to be too much, since most of the sequels have this tendency to go 'bigger, better' in scope. Don't get me wrong, there are great examples when 2 is better than 1 (Empire Strikes Back, Spider-Man 2, The Dark Knight, X-Men 2). We're observing several themes: Stark's legacy, his actions and its ramifications on his close ones, facing new enemies Vanko & Hammer, and S.H.I.E.L.D connections. And there's the whole 'public awareness' stuff, but it seems to be that as well as everything else in this film - it got completely out of control as well, which is the right way to describe the whole situation.

I don't feel satisfied with the exploration of the character of Tony Stark in this film. In fact, one of the many reasons why I loved Iron Man I so much is mainly because it showed an unusual, but not complete, transformation of a gifted individual into something more, than he already is. The way we see Stark's flaws and how he tries to overcome them and accept them is truly honorable. His big decision (a promise) to change the world for the better and protect the innocent ones (especially the ones, that suffered because of his tech) is one of the many aspects, that make IM1 a wonderful piece of art, but it is also represents something that I really wanted to see in IM2, after leaving IM1 in 2008. In particular: how he is going to handle all of that, especially with the revelation of his secret identity?

Allow me to quote Steve Rogers from The Avengers to express what exactly I see as a major problem of IM2:[/SIZE]Bingo, thank you very much Joss. Tony Stark doesn't go through any character development, at all. Stark Expo and the way he is 'preserving peace' equals another plot holes (and god almighty, this movie has a lot of them), that don't have a definitive ending. I expected to see something heroic in Tony's actions: inventing something useful and creative not only for himself, but for those in need, clearing up the streets of Los-Angeles from criminal scum... Something, that would show us exactly why Iron Man is a superhero. Instead, we're getting a 2-hour with something tale of a self-obsessed and volatile billionaire, that doesn't give a damn about anything except of his big ego + daddy/best friend/girlfriend issues along with 2 pricks and annoying organisation.

Yes, I know, you might say: "well, he has this urgent/deadly paladium problem and he needs to deal with it, fast, wait, what about Stark Expo - this is his legacy and the gift to the people of the world, right?" Well, no, it's clearly not. See, this is why IM2 doesn't work as a solo piece or a movie itself: we're supposed to believe, that Stark is actually taking care of someone else (beside himself and his close ones), but we don't see it, not in this movie. There is a wise saying: sometimes words aren't enough. God bless Whedon for the Avengers, but, honestly, in an ideal world, we should've seen that side of Iron Man in the sequel.

I would give more thoughts about some things, that don't work in this movie, but I am sure you know them all too well without me. What I am trying to say (and it is my main concern about the threequel) is that I want to see is how Shane Black deals with Tony's heroic side (especially after the courage and bravery that he shown, when he was fixing the Hellicarrier and saving all the citizens of NYC). We don't need to see Tony spending half of his own movie lying on his couch in LA or NYC and doing 'funny' stuff (been there, done that).

What we do know now is that Tony has created a brand new clean energy source, so Black might take this idea and take it into new heights. What does it mean for everyone else? How does it change or doesn't change things and etc. Expand the storyline wisely and show the audience exactly why should they root for the character (not only because of his witty and daring attitude). I believe, that with the right and smart use of the Extremis storyline along with Black's writing skills we are up for something different and new.

Bravo!

And what's funny is that Avengers actually made Iron Man 2 slightly more tolerable just with the opening scene between Tony and Pepper alone because of the clean energy aspect to the scene. It's a reference to Tony's opening speech at the Expo and what he created to save himself. Tony, giving back and annoucing a new clean energy source at the Expo, is how Iron Man 2 should have ended.

It took Joss all of three minutes to fix Tony's character at how he was left in Iron Man 2. Amazing...and I've been saying this for two years.

I hope Iron Man 3 is great for you guys but I'll await my next Iron Man adventure with Avengers 2...even if they're using the storyline I've been begging them to use since the end of the first film.

[TheGambler]

James Badge Dale In ‘Iron Man 3′ Talks

James Badge Dale will play Savin, a villain in Iron Man 3. Robert Downey Jr stars and Shane Black is directing. Badge Dale just finished The Lone Ranger for Disney, and will next be seen in the Robert Zemeckis-directed Flight with Denzel Washington and World War Z with Brad Pitt. Marvel Studios has just gotten underway with the film. Ben Kinsgley has been rumored as The Mandarin, and Gwyneth Paltrow and Rebecca Hall are also in the film. Dale is repped by CAA and MJ Management.

He was also in The Pacific, great performance in that show.

[4green]

Does anyone think he'll become "Coldblood"? or is that gonna just add too many to the villain roster?

[Figs]

Originally Posted by 4green

Does anyone think he'll become "Coldblood"? or is that gonna just add too many to the villain roster?

Well how many confirmed villains are there? Did they announce that Kingsley will be a villain or not?

[terry78]

Rubicon was insanely underrated when it was on AMC.

[4green]

Originally Posted by Figs

Well how many confirmed villains are there? Did they announce that Kingsley will be a villain or not?

I thought he was cast as a villain....but its always speculation. So far, rumor mill has the following:

-A possible Chinese team of armored characters involving Andy Lau (speculative)

-Kingsley may or may NOT be Mandarin (speculative)

- and if they are (at this point "loosely") basing it on Extremis, who will be the opponent that Iron Man must contend with which ultimately leads to him taking the Extremis virus?

-James Badge Dale plays a character who becomes "Coldblood" in the comics. Perhaps they will alter his history and make him the "Mallen" of the story?

I can only imagine that this will be a vast reinterpretation of the material it is based on, considering those who are additionally involved.

[peterparker0077]

I thought IM2 was great. I like IM1 better, but 2 was also good.

As far as why Tony doesn't call on Shield for help.. I think that is obvious after Avengers.. he doesn't trust Shield, he never knows if they're really good, or if they're doing bad things in the background. I thought Avengers made this clear, I thought Captain America's lines made this clear. It's why they ultimately went off on their own as Avengers, which is a big plot point.

[Tony Stark]

This seems like misinformation. They wouldn't make him Coldblood as he was never an enemy of Iron Man. It's got to be Mallen.

[Figs]

Originally Posted by 4green

I thought he was cast as a villain....but its always speculation. So far, rumor mill has the following:

-A possible Chinese team of armored characters involving Andy Lau (speculative)

-Kingsley may or may NOT be Mandarin (speculative)

- and if they are (at this point "loosely") basing it on Extremis, who will be the opponent that Iron Man must contend with which ultimately leads to him taking the Extremis virus?

-James Badge Dale plays a character who becomes "Coldblood" in the comics. Perhaps they will alter his history and make him the "Mallen" of the story?

I can only imagine that this will be a vast reinterpretation of the material it is based on, considering those who are additionally involved.

Thanks for the info. I can't wait to hear more, I'm hoping this movie is as good as the first film if not better.

[Webfoot Hero]

I liked Dale back on Season 3 of 24 so it's nice to see a familiar face in the movie. As for his role, I'm not quite sure how his character fits into the whole Extremis-inspired storyline, but I think it'll be somewhat creative with Black helming the project.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://www.onlocationvacations.com/2...ilmington-n-c/

[Gold Samurai]

I need help remembering a rumor. I read in the last few weeks that Iron Man 3 could have as many as five armors?

I think the rumor came from comic book movie.

[Iron_Stark]

5 armors?? A little much imo. But so long as Tony's the only one wearing the armor I suppose its ok. No War Machine and deffinatly no Pepper Potts in the Rescue armor.

This new villian sounds interesting, he's not an Iron Man villain, but in the comics he has a connection to Roxxon. He does sound more interesting than Mallen though, Iron Man fighting a cyborg is better than him fighing a regular pissed off guy.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

This seems like misinformation. They wouldn't make him Coldblood as he was never an enemy of Iron Man. It's got to be Mallen.

I'll say it again: I don't think they'll use Mallen at all. Mallen is too risky a character for Marvel Studios to gamble on --- Timothy McVeigh, basically....a homegrown militia terrorist with political views that are far righter than the craziest right-wing nutjob.

So Savin will probably become the guy who gets injected with Extremis tech, and in essence becomes a mix of "Super Mallen" and Coldblood, but without actually being given a name (which keeps with the IM tradition of never naming the enemy --- the terms Ironmonger and Whiplash were never used in the films).

[marvel_freshman]

Originally Posted by Gold Samurai

I need help remembering a rumor. I read in the last few weeks that Iron Man 3 could have as many as five armors?

I think the rumor came from comic book movie.

Originally Posted by Iron_Stark

5 armors?? A little much imo. But so long as Tony's the only one wearing the armor I suppose its ok. No War Machine and deffinatly no Pepper Potts in the Rescue armor.

This new villian sounds interesting, he's not an Iron Man villain, but in the comics he has a connection to Roxxon. He does sound more interesting than Mallen though, Iron Man fighting a cyborg is better than him fighing a regular pissed off guy.

That matter has been settled.

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

In IM3, Stark will have more suits, than in all three films (Iron Man I-II + The Avengers) combined!

[Avenger]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

I'll say it again: I don't think they'll use Mallen at all. Mallen is too risky a character for Marvel Studios to gamble on --- Timothy McVeigh, basically....a homegrown militia terrorist with political views that are far righter than the craziest right-wing nutjob.

So Savin will probably become the guy who gets injected with Extremis tech, and in essence becomes a mix of "Super Mallen" and Coldblood, but without actually being given a name (which keeps with the IM tradition of never naming the enemy --- the terms Ironmonger and Whiplash were never used in the films).

If anything, they'd just allude to it like they did Iron Monger and War Machine, mentioned how "coldblooded" he is or something. But that's probably the farthest they'd go.

[Hotwire]

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

In IM3, Stark will have more suits, than in all three films (Iron Man I-II + The Avengers) combined!

That would mean 8 armors minimum! They're going to have to get into specialty armors at that point.

[BrollySupersj]

Is there a reason to have more armors? Can't it just be the Mark 7 and whatever the upgrade is? Seems really excessive and unnecessary.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Reason? It's Iron Man. That's all the reason you need...

[Parker Wayne]

They want to make him like James Bond only with armors.

[Webfoot Hero]

Originally Posted by BrollySupersj

Is there a reason to have more armors? Can't it just be the Mark 7 and whatever the upgrade is? Seems really excessive and unnecessary.

I'm thinking the same. Maybe at most 3 new armors: 1 as a semi-upgrade to replace his damaged Avengers one, possibly a new suitcase/portable one, and a final Extremis version with in-body control suit for Stark.

[Tony Stark]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

I'll say it again: I don't think they'll use Mallen at all. Mallen is too risky a character for Marvel Studios to gamble on --- Timothy McVeigh, basically....a homegrown militia terrorist with political views that are far righter than the craziest right-wing nutjob.

So Savin will probably become the guy who gets injected with Extremis tech, and in essence becomes a mix of "Super Mallen" and Coldblood, but without actually being given a name (which keeps with the IM tradition of never naming the enemy --- the terms Ironmonger and Whiplash were never used in the films).

I agree with this, however what I was getting at was Coldblood was a cyborg. I don't think Savin will be a cyborg, but as the Extremis process does, it heals his injuries by replacing his body organs with new enhanced ones.

Extremis is supposed to be the latest rendition to revive Erskine's super soldier formula, so having a soldier like Savin take it makes more sense than on a common criminal like Mallen.

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Bring on the armors! I want to see the stealth armor