Smallville

[herolee10]

Hey guys,

After 2 years of having to go on and off on this project, i was able to finally put together a music video of my own, recapping Smallville's tenure 10 year run. It uses the song "Orchards of Mines" by Globus. I hope you all enjoy it.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reIoAaXfCHY

[Brainiac 8]

Originally Posted by Milos

Kristin's new show ''Beauty and the Beast''.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWR685KffUA

Can't wait!!!

I'm actually intrigued. I'll give it a shot, but mostly because I love the original Beauty and the Beast show. It was so fun.

[Webhead2006]

They only thing from promo there I think is stupid is the beast well doesn't. Look beastly enough.

[BlueLightning]

Originally Posted by herolee10

Well, I guess we should at least be thankful for:

1. The fact that the show didn't resort to doing, on what a good number of people from what I saw, had feared: erasing everyone's memory except Clark or revealing everything to have been a dream sequence for the character in order to maintain strict accuracy to the comic mythology, which meant that most of the characters presented on Smallville shouldn't have known Clark the way they did at the time that they did on the show.

2. The fact that they decided to actually dive into the years where Clark really developed his hero persona instead of just ending the show with Clark going into the FOS for X Amount of years and just emerging afterwards all transformed into Superman like his film counterpart.

But they kinda did it, with Lex. Many times. And I felt cheated, they could do interesting things with Lex without wiping out his memory.

I always thought Smallville worked better as an elseworlds story, like the first four seasons felt to me. After that, they shoehorned everything to make it comic accurate, even throwing a false Jimmy Olsen and all. For me, it all went downhill since season 4.

[Brainiac 8]

Only somewhat true actually, there are many things that happened and stuck that show that this is still an elseworlds version of Superman.

Oliver and Chloe being married
Lois being in Clark's life from a young age and knowing about his abilities before he became Superman
Green Arrow founding the JLA
Zod being a phantom rather than having a physical body
Clark acting as a superhero for years in the shadows before making his first public appearance

Either way you slice it, it's still a different universe to the original.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Brainiac 8

Only somewhat true actually, there are many things that happened and stuck that show that this is still an elseworlds version of Superman.

Oliver and Chloe being married
Lois being in Clark's life from a young age and knowing about his abilities before he became Superman
Green Arrow founding the JLA
Zod being a phantom rather than having a physical body
Clark acting as a superhero for years in the shadows before making his first public appearance

Either way you slice it, it's still a different universe to the original.

After decades of reinvention, reinterpretation and multiple continuities in the comics, the "Elseworlds" concept only really refers to anything that runs counter to the core elements of the DC mythology and what these characters are.

The only two Elseworlds elements on your list are the two I highlighted. The rest were creative liberties but really didn't change these characters in a drastic fashion.

This is why while "Batman Begins" took creative liberties, it really isn't considered as "Elseworlds" by fans.

I'd probably add a lot of the stuff they did with Jor-El the all powerful god/plot device to that list as well, and of course, everything they did with Kara/Supergirl....even though they eventually retconned both of those things.

[SpideyVille]

I've mentioned it before in these threads, but I never understood why people bashed the show so much on the basis that it was different. Like its more acceptable to make changes in comics than it is in live-action. Granted, not ever change was great or made sense, but after a while, Smallville started to become its own thing and it just seemed like people hated it because of that.

[Rockstar]

It depends on the execution of those changes and why they were done.

Smallville has has mixed results with their 'liberties.' The Lex/Lionel stuff was probably the best original concept they came up with and introduced into the mythology.

The other stuff wasn't so good. I especially didn't care for bringing Lois Lane, Kara and Jimmy into Smallville. Certain characters just work better and make more sense during the Superman years than the Smallville years.

[Llama_Shepherd]

The biggest change I didn't like was Oliver marrying Chloe. Chloe should have died, I ended up despising her character.

Lex and Lionel were amazing, and it's something I wouldn't mind being added to actual Superman mythos.

One thing I didn't end up minding as much as I thought I would was Bloomesday.

[Rockstar]

They retconned Bloomesday anyway.

They split Davis from Doomsday, and Doomsday got buried underground.

Ultimately Davis was it's own thing and Davis died. Doomsday is alive.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

After decades of reinvention, reinterpretation and multiple continuities in the comics, the "Elseworlds" concept only really refers to anything that runs counter to the core elements of the DC mythology and what these characters are.

The only two Elseworlds elements on your list are the two I highlighted. The rest were creative liberties but really didn't change these characters in a drastic fashion.

This is why while "Batman Begins" took creative liberties, it really isn't considered as "Elseworlds" by fans.

I'd probably add a lot of the stuff they did with Jor-El the all powerful god/plot device to that list as well, and of course, everything they did with Kara/Supergirl....even though they eventually retconned both of those things.

This

[Webhead2006]

I rather not count it as a elsewhere tale. Just an alternate universe one of many in dcu.

[BlueLightning]

It just makes me mad that at times, Smallville seemed to be afraid of the changes. Have Bloomsday? Let's rip the monster out of David and bury him... just like the comics.

Have a phantom Zod? Let's bring a physical clone of him and transfer his soul to him to have a Zod... just like the comics.

Have an older Jimmy? Let's kill him and bring his little brother who happens to be younger than him, and also has the same name as him to be Jimmy when Clark becomes Superman... just like the comics. (Oh, and give him a camera too)

Really, one thing is taking the characters into new territory while still being coherent to their core. But other thing to make them contradict themselves many times and contradicting the premise of the show itself while doing it.

[Webhead2006]

I don't agree with that. They just took stuff from comics and weaved it into there own tales.

[Milos]

Allison's new movie!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0wh5NaIS6Q

Can't wait!!!!!

[The Incredible Hulk]

^ Didnt that come out last year?

[Milos]

Originally Posted by The Incredible Hulk

^ Didnt that come out last year?

No!

[ironman29758]

Originally Posted by Webhead2006

I don't agree with that. They just took stuff from comics and weaved it into there own tales.

exactly i remember repeatedly telling people that Smallville took ideas from the comics and use creative liberty and I knew that the end results for most of the characters was to end exactly how they are at some point in their comic career. Best way I can describe Smallville is a combination of ideas/scenes/allusions from various dc comics comics/movies/tv shows, creative ideas from the cast and crew, dc mandate and a knowledge of where the character is supposed to end up in the comics.

[Webhead2006]

Totally iron, that is the best way to explain it.

[BlueLightning]

It's just that it felt so forced. I'm not against to a reinterpretation of events if that doesn't go against the theme of the story or the characters. The thing is that in my opinion, if they were gonna have Clark doing Superman stuff, why not actually SHOW Superman doing that stuff instead of walking around the "No tights, no flights" rule.

You know, after season four or five, they should simply change the title to "Metropolis", and have a lot of fun with an actual show of Superman. The show just dragged forever. It got to the point in which it could get a lot of tiring and annoying.

I won't lie. I loved Smallville in the beginning. There was some really good stuff in there. But then they decided to change everything, but trying to convince themselves they were still doing the same show. I thought they didn't want the characters to evolve, but wanted to please the fans. And there were really bad choices in there. That said, I really liked some of the episodes from the later seasons, the first in my mind "Homecoming", but in some ways I really hate it because it showed us the show we (or at least I) wanted to see, and then they kept with the same thing.

It was just a long tease which dragged for a long, long time for we to see Superman. The show should have ended earlier, or it should have evolved. It was like when a parent still treats his son like a kid, even when he is old enough to work and have a family. The show had that potential, and it was wasted.

[ironman29758]

Originally Posted by BlueLightning

It's just that it felt so forced. I'm not against to a reinterpretation of events if that doesn't go against the theme of the story or the characters. The thing is that in my opinion, if they were gonna have Clark doing Superman stuff, why not actually SHOW Superman doing that stuff instead of walking around the "No tights, no flights" rule.

You know, after season four or five, they should simply change the title to "Metropolis", and have a lot of fun with an actual show of Superman. The show just dragged forever. It got to the point in which it could get a lot of tiring and annoying.

I won't lie. I loved Smallville in the beginning. There was some really good stuff in there. But then they decided to change everything, but trying to convince themselves they were still doing the same show. I thought they didn't want the characters to evolve, but wanted to please the fans. And there were really bad choices in there. That said, I really liked some of the episodes from the later seasons, the first in my mind "Homecoming", but in some ways I really hate it because it showed us the show we (or at least I) wanted to see, and then they kept with the same thing.

It was just a long tease which dragged for a long, long time for we to see Superman. The show should have ended earlier, for it should have evolved. It was like when a parent still treats his son like a kid, even when he is old enough to work and have a family. The show had that potential, and it was wasted.

Part of me agrees. Maybe have season 4-6 be more like 8-10 and a little of 5 and 6 and it would have been more enjoyable for everyone. At the same time looking back for all of 5-7 faults(it had many, believe me) it was worth it in the form of season 8-10 and the season 11 comics. Sure it wasn't perfect but no show is. Plus the fact of the matter it was the first live action show to not only show Clark before he became Superman without tights but also the first live action show/live action anything to show any kind of dc universe and that's kind of helped me forgave some bad moments But the fact of is it did some things we might not see in a long time and in a way it did evolve, just not in something everyone expected.

[Webhead2006]

The point though for the show was always clark journey into becoming superman. Now sure by season 5 he was pretty much there without the suit. But that was an issue with show going so long they had to stretch things out. And all that. Also come on wht shows ever changed there name between seasons not much. The name of show first was about the town and all the crazy going on there. Then it more become about clark himself ie smallville was him like lois nickname for clark.

[SpideyVille]

I think the biggest problem with the show during those middle years was that the focus was not on Clark as much as it should've been. I mean we saw a lot of characters evolve, like Lana, Chloe and Lois, but Clark was still in the same place, more or less

And honestly, I don't think Clark was ready to be Superman by season 4-5. He was still pretty selfish and immature, which is why I say it was nice to see those changes in his by the later seasons. But then, since he wasn't focused on as much and the producers were always trying to stretch out his journey, I think it could've been compacted and ended a few seasons earlier had they taken out unnecessary sub-plots for other characters.

[Webhead2006]

Yup that was a big faault. Still reason I wish lana left after season 3/4 she had nothing good post season two. If we got done with her earlier. We likely could have moved on lois sooner, or maybe have clark and chloe for a bit, or lori, or just not dating someone then. Along with the dropping of college I thought was bad move too. Its not like we had to see clark at school all the time like hs yrs. Every 2-4 episodes maybe do a collage scene or have clark talking about school. And the could have served chloe and clark at the dp then better as doing it as intern for school.

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by SpideyVille

I think the biggest problem with the show during those middle years was that the focus was not on Clark as much as it should've been. I mean we saw a lot of characters evolve, like Lana, Chloe and Lois, but Clark was still in the same place, more or less

I think one problem with the middle seasons was the show was so hellbent trying to fit Lana and Chloe into the storylines many times both dragged it down in different ways.

I said it many times before but in Season 5 the show should have sent Clark to College and have him deal with some new people, it could have freshened up the middle seasons.