Ms. Marvel in the works?

[STR1]

Originally Posted by def28

Ms Mavel movie could be awesome, and as long as they market her as part of the Avengers one way or another I think the film could be a big success. Audiences will be on a full Avengers kick and will want to know anything building to Avengers 2.

This! And not only for Ms Marvel but also for Black Panther and Ant Man. They would need to link them to the Avengers either at the trailers so the GA can know or at the movie title ala Captain America: The First Avenger.

[Chewy]

Just make Carol Danvers a SHIELD pilot instead of an Air Force pilot. People will put one and one together.

Or they can do like they did with the Thor TV spots

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[L0ngsh0t]

Originally Posted by STR1

This! And not only for Ms Marvel but also for Black Panther and Ant Man. They would need to link them to the Avengers either at the trailers so the GA can know or at the movie title ala Captain America: The First Avenger.

I honestly think the best way to do all these minor superheros is to have big scope SHIELD movies and have them as kind of a Men In Black but with superheroes and Hank Pym is a scientist for them, Maria Hill runs it and maybe cast a funny guy to be another Coulson type where he is both semi-aloof but semi badass like Luke Wilson as kind of this joe schmo FBI drop out who enters this bigger world and meets all these super heroes and helps save the planet from a secret threat and he ends up actually becoming a hero, Maria Hill thinks it's a bad decision but Jackson trusts his instincts.

and maybe this is an intro to AIM or return of Hydra or something

So you have a main cast of
Luke Wilson
Maria Hill
Hank Pym
Carol Danves
also starring Sam Jackson

and you can feature a bunch of minor Marvel characters which could be fun

[DrCosmic]

^Hmmm... as 'minor' as these characters might be, some of them, Black Panther and Ms. Marvel in particular, have very large mythos that would come off cheap/contrived if rushed. There's no plot where you introduce the Kree AND Wakanda and the movie still feel organic, y'know?

Originally Posted by The Guard

Why not just call it MARVELS? I know it's been used, but it fits. Maybe have cameos for a number of other Marvel characters like the graphic novel Marvels did.

That does fit. It also gives away the fact that she also becomes a marvel, perhaps giving away the twist.

Originally Posted by flickchick85

That's true, though I don't see why they couldn't both be headliners either. At any rate, I think it would be a nice change from the expected. Usually when there's a male and female lead, and the male has superpowers, it's just assumed that the female is the love-interest, so I think it would make everyone stand up and take notice when she instead just completely takes over.

It also kinda reminds me of when Hit-Girl took over the entire 3rd Act of Kick-Ass and made everyone wonder why the movie wasn't called Hit-Girl, lol. This time it would be the way things were meant to be all along.

As for the name problem, I don't think it would be the same as a "Mr. Disney" type of situation, if only because Captain Marvel does have some name recognition with the GA, even if it's kind of vague (and may largely stem from DC's version). I think people are generally aware there is a character out there named Captain Marvel, even if they know nothing about him, so I don't think the name would be too difficult for them to swallow.

I'm really skeptical of Captain Marvel's name recognition, but I agree it does 'just sound' like a superhero that actually exists, and Hit Girl is a really good example of a girl/sidekick taking over after her mentor's death. Of course they can both be headliners, but the problem, why you don't see women get first billing, is that they don't draw people - they never headline awesome films, thus a vicious cycle. By having a male superstar get first billing, the movie sells. Kick-Ass is a great example of that too. No one is going to see a Chloe Moretz movie, but by the time they've bought into the premise/the third act, they'll gladly root for the girl.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by L0ngsh0t

I honestly think the best way to do all these minor superheros is to have big scope SHIELD movies and have them as kind of a Men In Black but with superheroes and Hank Pym is a scientist for them, Maria Hill runs it and maybe cast a funny guy to be another Coulson type where he is both semi-aloof but semi badass like Luke Wilson as kind of this joe schmo FBI drop out who enters this bigger world and meets all these super heroes and helps save the planet from a secret threat and he ends up actually becoming a hero, Maria Hill thinks it's a bad decision but Jackson trusts his instincts.

and maybe this is an intro to AIM or return of Hydra or something

So you have a main cast of
Luke Wilson
Maria Hill
Hank Pym
Carol Danves
also starring Sam Jackson

and you can feature a bunch of minor Marvel characters which could be fun

Or maybe they should just make a TV series of the Avengers.

Yes, seriously. Of *all* the Marvel properties, Avengers is the one that's absolutely screaming out for a TV series, where you can have multiple lead actors and introduce new heroes and new villains each week, and have plenty of time to properly introduce their powers and backstory.

But here's where the fanboy masses start whining: TV sucks not big enough need to be on the big screen big budget 3D IMAX yadda yadda yadda....

One of these days, Marvel will figure out that TV is the ideal....repeat: ideal....venue for comic book stories. They're episodic, they allow for plenty more characters and stories than a 2 hour film, they're smaller budget, they're more in tune with pop culture than movies and Hollywood are, they allow for plenty of room for crossovers and big cliffhanger finales, you get to see a new story each week instead of having to wait 2-4 years for the next one.....

[Red Mask]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Just make Carol Danvers a SHIELD pilot instead of an Air Force pilot. People will put one and one together.

Or they can do like they did with the Thor TV spots

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That would be the safest route for continuity, but if her origins as an Airforce pilot are integral to her character, then it helps define her character more.

[BobJM]

She's was an Air Force Pilot, got recruited for Special Ops Pilot Missions with SHIELD.

Puts her in MCU continuity, but shows her roots in the Air Force.

[DrCosmic]

Originally Posted by BobJM

She's was an Air Force Pilot, got recruited for Special Ops Pilot Missions with SHIELD.

Puts her in MCU continuity, but shows her roots in the Air Force.

Exactly, totally simple. She could even be the one the fired the nuke in Avengers.

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Or maybe they should just make a TV series of the Avengers.

Yes, seriously. Of *all* the Marvel properties, Avengers is the one that's absolutely screaming out for a TV series, where you can have multiple lead actors and introduce new heroes and new villains each week, and have plenty of time to properly introduce their powers and backstory.

But here's where the fanboy masses start whining: TV sucks not big enough need to be on the big screen big budget 3D IMAX yadda yadda yadda....

One of these days, Marvel will figure out that TV is the ideal....repeat: ideal....venue for comic book stories. They're episodic, they allow for plenty more characters and stories than a 2 hour film, they're smaller budget, they're more in tune with pop culture than movies and Hollywood are, they allow for plenty of room for crossovers and big cliffhanger finales, you get to see a new story each week instead of having to wait 2-4 years for the next one.....

I think the biggest budget for doing superhero TV shows is budget. It costs a lot to make all these shiny things happen, and TV just can't do it week in and week out. It's not ideal for Avengers because there'd be so much action and powers you can't do. It's ideal for X-Men or Spider-Man, imho, that can justifiably go episodes on just character drama with no action, and have characters that don't need SFX just to be on screen.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by DrCosmic

Exactly, totally simple. She could even be the one the fired the nuke in Avengers.



I think the biggest budget for doing superhero TV shows is budget. It costs a lot to make all these shiny things happen, and TV just can't do it week in and week out. It's not ideal for Avengers because there'd be so much action and powers you can't do. It's ideal for X-Men or Spider-Man, imho, that can justifiably go episodes on just character drama with no action, and have characters that don't need SFX just to be on screen.

If you could do an X-Men live action show without all the SFX, you could certainly do Avengers as well.

Yes, I get that the fx would surely be lacking or at least cheapened up, but you could do exactly what you just described --- make the bulk of the episodes be about character drama and interaction, with a few fx-laden set pieces and climactic battles. If you can do Smallville and Heroes and any version of Star Trek on TV, or Stargate or Doctor Who or Babylon 5, you could do a successful Avengers TV series, too. Or *any* Marvel TV series. I hope that the Hulk series will bear this out.

[DrCosmic]

I guess I just have a different take on Avengers. I think of them as professionals first, not friends or family. So what do they talk about all day? Let's say we start them off as friends/family that they became in comics over the decades. Do I really want to see a season long arc of Tony and Carol's will/they won't they relationship? Or a bunch of near-hulkouts since they can't afford to? That sounds like a horrible Avengers show, imho.

In Smallville, Heroes, and various Sci-Fi shows characters were limited to humans in prosthetics, that rules out the Hulk. Flight was exceptionally limited, as time and money for gimballs and green screens wasn't freely available, and with the lack of green screen comes lack of CGI, this rules out airborne Iron Man and Thor. They'd be on the ground and simply 'fly away' or 'land.' Without proper time and money to process CGI any CGI shots have to be short, which rules out Ant-Man and Wasp, and most of Thor's weather control.

This basically leaves us with a lot of sitting around and talking, and powers that only show up on special occasions. I don't see that series as successful in today's world where people expect big action from the Avengers. I also don't think people would find much enjoyment amongst people who are supposed to be protectors of the world spending all their time in petty office drama. Likewise, you can't do successful fantastic four series because their powers simply demand too much from a TV budget.

What I think you're getting at, is that if money and time were infinity, TV would be ideal for comic book storylines. That I agree with, completely. If they could have even a Smallville amount of action (2 minute fight per episode), an Avengers show could be cool, but the Avengers' powers are simply more expensive than Smallville or even Heroes. The reason Clark and Peter were written so whiny and resistant to use their powers is partly because the shows couldn't afford to have the use their powers as often as the story naturally would call for it. I wouldn't want that for Avengers.

I, and many others, are very curious to see how they'll handle the Hulk TV series. Perhaps they've come across some new affordable CGI technique, but in all likelihood, it's going to be the Bruce Banner show, with Hulk cameoing every once in a while, but the threat of him is always there.

[Artistsean]

I don't want any cliché stuff like a Will they Wont they storyline. But I did like how Tony and Banner bonded over science, Tony invinting Banner to come to his lab and play with his toys was a fun thing to see. And I loved how Banner and Rogers bonded over the Super Soldier Serum. I'd love to see Cap and Hawkeye bond over training, Thor and Iron Man bond over science versus myth. I'd like to see Hawkeye banter with Jarvis over eating all of Stark's food. I'd like to see Black Widow having trouble relating to the others because she is sort of a trained weapon ever since she was a kid and doesn't know exactly how to open up (maybe). I'd like to see how they get along outside of fighting bad guys.


Can they make a Ms. Marvel movie without Captain Mar-Vell? Can they introduce her without showing she got her powers from him? Would it bother anyone if they sort of bypassed all that origin? Maybe changed it so that she got her powers in a different way that still involved the Kree? Alien Abduction or something?
If they did do that, bypassing/eliminating the Mar-Vell origin, then they sort of can't bring him in later. And if they somehow did it would be different then, his connection to Ms. Marvel.
Any thoughts about that?

Maybe now that she is becoming Captain Marvel they can forget about Mar-Vell completely and just make a Captain Marvel movie about her. I think I'd be fine with that.
Maybe they could do something like, a quick flashback in the beginning (like how Watchmen did it or how the Incredible Hulk did it. Carol was a pilot who encountered an alien soldier sent to Earth. She and him stopped some threat together but in the process she got his powers and he died or left the planet. Now she is Captain Marvel.

[DrCosmic]

I mean, Mar-Vell's death is a good story, it's her comics origin story, and it solves the problem of not being able to headline a superhero movie with a woman. Why wouldn't you do it, why skip over it? You *can* do it that way, and come up with a new story that's as interesting as her normal one... but I wouldn't suggest it.

That first pic of Carol is awesome though, where is it from?

[Artistsean]

Originally Posted by DrCosmic

I mean, Mar-Vell's death is a good story, it's her comics origin story, and it solves the problem of not being able to headline a superhero movie with a woman. Why wouldn't you do it, why skip over it? You *can* do it that way, and come up with a new story that's as interesting as her normal one... but I wouldn't suggest it.

That first pic of Carol is awesome though, where is it from?

Making her first movie about Mar-Vell's death would be a Mar-Vell movie though and that means taking a few years to make that and then a few more years to make the sequel. So at the very least thats about 4 years to get to a Ms. Marvel movie. I wouldn't want to skip over Mar-Vell either, but maybe the movies might have to. They could leave it open to there being a prequel of sorts showing the Mar-Vell stuff. Like Maybe her movie skims her origin and leaves some stuff untold and we can tell there is something in her past. Maybe.

That Carol pic , I don't know. I found it on google or Comicvine.

[BatsDC]

Simple, adapt it. Have the movie center around Carol, but then have Mar-Vell arrive early on. Then he dies at the end of the second act, and Carol gains powers at the same time. It's not perfect, but it would be pretty good if done well. It can be marketed as if Mar-Vell is a main lead as well.

[Artistsean]

Or maybe do the Death of Mar-Vell story all from Carol's perspective. She would be the main protagonist who experiences the arrival of an alien superhero who she befriends, then he gets cancer and dies and she now has his power and becomes the new Captain Marvel towards the end of the film...
Hrm...

[DrCosmic]

I wish I could remember a movie where the central character isn't who you think it is at first, but I'd like it to be like that. Carol has the internal story and what appears to be a secondary story, while Mar-Vell has the action story, but then, all of a sudden, you find out it's been Carol's movie the whole time. It'd be like Star Trek (2009), if Kirk had died saving Spock before they went after the Narada. You thought it was Kirk's movie, but surprise! And Spock still has all the development for it to be his movie, it just was hidden behind Kirk's. That's how I imagine it anyway.

I also imagine him dying in the explosion that gives her her powers, as opposed to dying slowly. More dramatic that way.

[Saitou Hajime]

Play it like a Doctor Who story where a new ongoing Companion is being introduced, with Marr-Vell and Carol in the roles of the Doctor and the new Companion, respectively. The audience sees Marr-Vell's world through Carol's eyes.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by DrCosmic

I wish I could remember a movie where the central character isn't who you think it is at first

Psycho.
Alien.
Chronicle.
No Country for Old Men.
The Godfather.
Fargo.
Death Becomes Her.
Deep Blue Sea.
The Boys from Brazil.
The Hurt Locker.
Sucker Punch.
Kick-Ass.

[Primal Slayer]

Originally Posted by The Guard

Why not just call it MARVELS? I know it's been used, but it fits. Maybe have cameos for a number of other Marvel characters like the graphic novel Marvels did.

They have the rights to the Captain Marvel name, might as well use it. And probably just add Avengers to it, Avengers: Captain Marvel or something so once again the audience gets it. And they could use this to help bring about Thanos and get them more used to alien races.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Psycho.
Alien.
Chronicle.
No Country for Old Men.
The Godfather.
Fargo.
Death Becomes Her.
Deep Blue Sea.
The Boys from Brazil.
The Hurt Locker.
Sucker Punch.
Kick-Ass.

Kick-Ass isn't the main character? Who is?

[Hypestyle]

malin ackerman is still hot.. hmm..

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by JB-the-Hunter

Kick-Ass isn't the main character? Who is?

It completely becomes Hit-Girl's Revenge in the 3rd act, rendering Kick-Ass the audience entry-point/narrator ala that one human dude who's name I can't remember in Hellboy.

[DrCosmic]

Not completely. He still does that hover pack thing at the very end, but it could have very much ended as her movie if they had so chosen.

[DrCosmic]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Psycho.
Alien.
Chronicle.
No Country for Old Men.
The Godfather.
Fargo.
Death Becomes Her.
Deep Blue Sea.
The Boys from Brazil.
The Hurt Locker.
Sucker Punch.
Kick-Ass.

Thanks Sam. I really need to see The Hurt Locker.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by DrCosmic

Thanks Sam. I really need to see The Hurt Locker.

Yes. Yes, you do.

Really is a great movie, and gave me a ton of respect for Renner.