The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 9

[Gamma Ra]

Originally Posted by Dark Raven

That's what Ang Lee wanted as well. Good thing he kept his pants even at 15 ft.

LMAO!!! That was a day maker!!!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

I think the CGI for Ang's Hulk is vastly superior. It's ILM after all. I can understand people not liking the design, but the CGI was amazing. The skin texture and animation for the muscles was brilliant.

The CGI in TIH was horrendous at parts. For a 150 million dollar movie made in 2008 it's kinda unacceptable. And i hated the design. It looked like he was constantly flexing and straining. Too much sinew and his skin looked like it was paper thin. He was like a Rob Liefeld drawing with all this unnecessary lines.

Yeah this is pretty much my opinion on the matter as well, though I did prefer the design of the TIH Hulk, the effects of the 2003 Hulk was better in every way.

[mc7791]

Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

Yeah this is pretty much my opinion on the matter as well, though I did prefer the design of the TIH Hulk, the effects of the 2003 Hulk was better in every way.

I feel that ILM stepped up their game big time in Avengers. The Hulk in this movie looks to much like Ruffalo its scary at times. Plus the Hulk is fast, can emote and looks as powerful as he should have all along. When he takes out that Leviathan with one punch( yes it was cool for IM to light it up with one of his tank busting rockets after all the trauma from Hulks punch destroyed the armor) its awe inspiring. I like "Ruffahulk" the best personally.

[Golgo-13]

Yes, i also like the speed of the Hulk in Avengers. He was like a steam train. There's a shot where he's chasing Black Widow down that narrow glass corridor and we get a low camera shot of BW legs as Hulk's running behind her, that looks errie as hell! Also the part when he comes running from through that office building and jumps on the Leviathan was awesome.

I also wanted to address TIH cg:

It is in comparison horrendous. I actually think it was done this way on purpose. To contrast the serious nature of the Ang Lee film, i truly believe that the film makers went for a more cartoony look for TIH Hulk, as there is no way in hell i can see any sane animation team, and studio signing off on half the F/X in the movie.

The Hulk's big daytime reveal (when he jumps out of the campus over past) shot was the worst in the movie. That shot should have been the best in the movie, as that's when we actaully got a good look at the Hulk in all his glory after him hiding in the shadows in the bottling plant. We as the audience should have been saying "oh **** " at that shot, but instead we were saying "WTF? ". The only passsable cg in TIH was the cave scene in the rain. That's the only scene where Hulk looked like he was rendered with some actual care by the animators.

[Gamma Ra]

One thing I think all the movies got right, but Avengers in particular, was Hulk quick reflexes...I loved when he caught the pilot after he ejected.

[Golgo-13]

I remember hearing an unanimous "gasp" in my movie theater when the pilot is tossed, and his parachute opens!

[The Morningstar]

Yea that was a true "holy ****!" moment. Then when he jumps away roaring into the distance the whole cinema burst into laughter all 3 times i saw it.

[Gamma Ra]

The second time I saw the movie, a girl gasped out "my god" which got real laughs after the pilot's parachute opened.

[Gamma Ra]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

Yea that was a true "holy ****!" moment. Then when he jumps away roaring into the distance the whole cinema burst into laughter all 3 times i saw it.

I thought he got blown away by the explosion?

[The Morningstar]

I thought he jumped off the wreckage before it exploded? Either way, it was hilarious.

[Dark Raven]

This shot, with his knee up and his face, is actually a bit similar to the group shot released with Iron Man flying in the front and Hulk in the background where people were wondering whether he was wearing any pants.

[mc7791]

Originally Posted by Gamma Ra

I thought he got blown away by the explosion?

yes he was knocked away and roared during the explosion

[Gamma Ra]

Originally Posted by The Morningstar

I thought he jumped off the wreckage before it exploded? Either way, it was hilarious.

This is true.

Originally Posted by mc7791

yes he was knocked away and roared during the explosion

Cool.

Hulk movements should be quick and explosive when he's on the attack.

[hurley711]

Originally Posted by ThePowerCosmic

It was a deleted scene in TIH. Here it is here:

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

This is the scene where you can see Captain America buried in the ice on the left at the very end when the ice comes flying towards the viewer

[mc7791]

Originally Posted by hurley711

This is the scene where you can see Captain America buried in the ice on the left at the very end when the ice comes flying towards the viewer

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too bad that could have worked if CA:TFA ended differently like Cap somehow being thrown from the cockpit upon impact

[Boom]

The CGI in The Incredible Hulk is atrocious. Not once during that entire movie did I believe in the physical reality of the character.

[Golgo-13]

Not even the cave scene with Betty?

[Boom]

Originally Posted by Golgo-13

Not even the cave scene with Betty?

Nope. He looked like he had the skin of a salamander.

[JeetKuneDo]

Originally Posted by Golgo-13

Not true. The negative impression for this movie started back in Jan/Feb of 2003 with the superbowl trailer. It made 60 someting million it's first weekend which is very meh, compared to what Spider-Man made just a year earlier. Let's not forget that Hulk is Marvels second biggest character after Spider-Man. The prediction for Hulks opening weekend was sopposed to be around 80 million.

You actaully just helped my point by stating that bad WOM killed it, so the b.o was NOT good.

It was NOT a bad movie, it was just a bad Hulk movie and deceived the general public with it's advertising.

True that the SB ad started a bad impression, but over 60 mil opening in 2003 was not "meh". That was among the best OW ever at that time. It still ranks #6 all time in June openers. (Xmen FC didn't even beat it last year) People were very interested in seeing it. The movie plummeted after that though and only finished 14th for the year. It had toxic WOM.

I agree it was a terrible Hulk movie (We haven't had a Hulk movie yet...two Banner movies) but it also bored people in general.

[Golgo-13]

I have to disagree. 60 mil is a 'meh' opening especially when you consider it was predicted to make around 80 opening weekend, and it was riding on the back of Spider-Man's record breaking opener the year before. Expectations were high. MIB:III only made around 55 mil in three days, and that's an established franchise and just a few mil short of Hulk.

[TomPiltoff]

Originally Posted by Golgo-13

I have to disagree. 60 mil is a 'meh' opening

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Hulk was released on June 20, 2003, earning $62.1 million in its opening weekend, which made it the 16th highest ever opener at the time.

It's objectively not a bad opening weekend.

[wobbly]

Originally Posted by Golgo-13

I have to disagree. 60 mil is a 'meh' opening especially when you consider it was predicted to make around 80 opening weekend, and it was riding on the back of Spider-Man's record breaking opener the year before. Expectations were high. MIB:III only made around 55 mil in three days, and that's an established franchise and just a few mil short of Hulk.

Hulk 03 had a record opening weekend for a June release at that time (since been surpassed but in 2003 Hulk did hold that record). How can you say a record breaking June opening weekend is 'meh'?

And I never saw anyone in the industry predicting $80 mil at all . Iirc, Universal was (optimisticly) citing around $60mil at the high end and that's what it got.

What killed it though was the huge drop offs, after word got round just what the movie was really like. The drops were big enough that it ended up making half it's domestic money in that opening weekend.

[Golgo-13]

I don't have anything as far as a site i can post for the prediction, but i distictively remember hearing 80 mil was the expected take for the b.o.

Like i said, this movie was riding on the buzz that if Spider-Man can do big numbers, then it could too. It failed miserably in those regards.

That same year Bruce Almighty, and Finding Nemo opened to almost 70 mil. The prediction for Hulk was in line with X2's numbers - which pulled over 80 million the month before. Hulks 60 million was rather 'meh for such a big iconic character.

[Boom]

When he was once again asked whether we should expect to see Mark Ruffalo's Bruce Banner turn up in Iron Man 3, he said no, but promised the following. "We will see the Ruffalo Hulk in future. I don't know when or how, exactly, but he's an interesting character, and so many new avenues have opened up. But now in the movies, who's gonna pop up where? You're never quite sure."

[Oberon sexton]

Where'd that come from?