Batman: Arkham City - - - - - - Part 15

[Silent_Dave]

Originally Posted by zenith16

jebus every one forgotten how the orial old school co-was done before that stupid prince of Persia game nand re5 did that forced co-op ai partner thing . no it wouldn't if it's optional it be the same same as it was. and i know rock stead has the talent to pull this off. man if some like ubisoft that has done so can do it then i sure rockstead a younger studio but still talented can do so as well.

What I'm saying is that the only way co-op would work in the main story is if it's actually part of the story. If they just throw co-op in there without an explanation, it doesn't work. Other games can do this all they want, but it doesn't work for the Arkham games.

[Jick09]

Originally Posted by zenith16

jebus every one's forgotten how the orginal wayold school co- op was done before that stupid prince of Persia game and re5 did that forced co-op ai partner thing . No it wouldn't if it's optional it be the same as it was. that just show the lack of talent that have dissappeared over the years. and i know rock steady has the talent to pull this off. man if some like ubisoft that has done so can do it then i sure rockstead a younger studio but still talented can do so as well. BTW I'm fine wit it being segment to challenge maps also. man if 2k can pull it off then they can too.

Let me give you an example. If, when Batman was caught by the Joker, Robin was there too, Batman wouldn't have been affected by the virus, which would rule out all of the plot with Ra's al Guhl, Talia and Mr. Freeze, completely altering the story. That's why co-op shouldn't be an option. There would be two immensely different stories.

[zenith16]

Originally Posted by Silent_Dave

What I'm saying is that the only way co-op would work in the main story is if it's actually part of the story. If they just throw co-op in there without an explanation, it doesn't work. Other games can do this all they want, but it doesn't work for the Arkham games.

oh they have to be introduced in a certain way? that can be arranged then. as for one of them beiin caught well if the story requre them to be seperated that can be done too.

jick when i mean option I mean. there's single player mode and there's another section with co- op mode for the game over all. when you start up the game. that's what i ment by old school borderland has some thing like this. and yesI know this isn't boraderlands I'm using it as an example.

[Silent_Dave]

Originally Posted by Majik1387

It's not shoe-horning if it's an option that can easily be ignored by those that don't want to play Co-Op.
It wasn't shoe-horned into Saints Row 3, Dead Rising 2, Perfect Dark, Sonic the Hedgehog, etc.

Just stop, with comparing the Arkham games to other co-op games. Let's face it, those games work because they have video game storylines. The great thing about the Arkham games is that the stories in them could work in the movies/comics. Shoehorning co-op in (and it is shoehorning) would make Arkham 3 just another crappy action game.

[zenith16]

if I remember batman 's respected in the comic's as a leader in the league cause he was the one most effective for having his team( Nightwing, batgirl, robin) the organized and that the other's in the league knew less about fighting as a team then he did. they were all armature's at being effective at til he showed them how. they say that all the time in their bio's of him. As a strategist and tactistion among other of his talents. it's as apart of him as any thing else.

[Majik1387]

Originally Posted by Silent_Dave

Just stop, with comparing the Arkham games to other co-op games. Let's face it, those games work because they have video game storylines. The great thing about the Arkham games is that the stories in them could work in the movies/comics. Shoehorning co-op in (and it is shoehorning) would make Arkham 3 just another crappy action game.

Except it's not shoe-horning. How about you two stop acting like having the option will take away from your gameplay.

[Jick09]

It's the truth. Even Sefton Hill acknowledges that.
Here, let's end this conversation:

Speaking to CVG at E3 last week, Hill acknowledge that the choice [of multiplayer] is "a bold decision", but says it has been justified by the reaction from players and fans.

"We looked when we were making the game at what's important for the game... what's really important for the story we wanted to tell. And the thing we wanted to do, the thing that got us really excited was taking Batman in to this huge district of Gotham City and telling that story.

"So really that's the filter by which we looked at what we were going to do. We looked at multiplayer and said, 'is that essential to tell that story? It's not'."

Hill went on to admit, "It would've been an easier decision" to include multiplayer in the game, but "you wouldn't have got as good a Gotham City and you would've had an average multiplayer".

He added: "I think it would've looked good on the box but at the end of the day as a studio we're all about gameplay, we're a gameplay driven studio.

"We firmly believe that what you do with your hands when you're playing the game and your interaction with the game is king. We just didn't feel that multiplayer was adding anything to that - it was taking away from that.

"It is a bold decision, but the thing I've been really happy with is how the fans and the players have come back to us and said, 'it's the right decision. If I want to play multiplayer, I can buy a multiplayer game. If I want a great story and a great single-player game, I can buy Arkham City.'"

The Rocksteady man concluded by stating: "This game wouldn't be the game it is now if it had multiplayer in. I can't absolutely guarantee that."

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...easy-decision/

Don't get your hopes up for co-op in the next game either.

[Majik1387]

For Arkham City, all that he said is most likely true. However, that's all said just for Arkham City, not Asylum or whatever the 3rd game may be called.

[zenith16]

yeah I remember in a video of the last e3 before this one on g4 that he was considering co-op with his team and he said they didn't want it interfere ( or in his words they wanted to concentrate on ) the story for that time. that doesn't mean that they aren't thinking about it for the 3rd though. It was more of an implementation issue.

[Jick09]

Originally Posted by Majik1387

For Arkham City, all that he said is most likely true. However, that's all said just for Arkham City, not Asylum or whatever the 3rd game may be called.

Did you read it all? It wasn't just a decision. It was the decision. Like he said, the multiplayer would take away from the experience. Even the fans supported him. If you want multiplayer games, then get multiplayer games.

[Majik1387]

I read it, yes, and I do agree odds are low for co-op, but that doesn't mean it isn't a missed opportunity.

[Jick09]

Doesn't mean it was a good idea either. Apparently, it wasn't.

[Majik1387]

It was a good idea they chose not to incorporate.

[Jick09]

Are you listening to yourself? Sefton Hill himself said this game wouldn't be what it is if it had multiplayer, and the game is fantastic. Open your eyes. If he doesn't know better, then noone does. He is the one working on the game.

[zenith16]

The problem is jick it's kinda what bioware did. they were looking for a way to implement a multiplayer and dropped the option for the second part of the series to do so and later dropped in their last game trilogy wise in mass effect. Well that and EA pushed for it too. It just sounds the same when you think about it. Especially when they say that. That doesn't mean this case won't be different case from Bioware's.

[Jick09]

God of War is bringing Multiplayer too. BUT not for the story mode AND its combat it's not based on the freeflow. It's basically a beat 'em up in 3D. It's different. I don't know about Bioware's gameplay, though.

[zenith16]

the latest GOW , it's a different mode yes. I said a different mode but similar to the story as the single player like what was done in games before like back in the day the type that 2k games knows how to do among others. and ubisoft does. there have been other developers doing the same for the single player as they do multi. by making them the same. and I said make it competitive like the mario and zelda games that have competitive co-op so it won't ruin your free flow.

[jacobed]

If they can figure out a good way of implementing co-op then sure why not. Doesn't matter to me since I do single player only when it comes to Batman. I don't want somebody coming into my challenge room with me, screwing up my score and combos

[Big and green]

I think people get too greedy from their games. I understand you want to be able to do EVERYTHING with every character. Their are plenty of co-op games out there, I think some studios still take pride in telling stories. I think in a challenge situation, or a hoard type format like Gears of War would work for a co-op, but keep it out of the story please! If you wanna play as batman and robin go play LEGO Batman.

[zenith16]

Originally Posted by jacobed

If they can figure out a good way of implementing co-op then sure why not. Doesn't matter to me since I do single player only when it comes to Batman. I don't want somebody coming into my challenge room with me, screwing up my score and combos

That's all I'm really suggesting any way. if the 3rd game does indeed come out and it doesn't have this . well it won't bug me. i'm not a pushy person. I'm just saying if they can implement it in that way. so it won't Effect your free flow. those that don't want to do it(co-op) don't have to play that mode. it's just a chose. The options there. doesn't mean every one will do that from the options menu of the game .

[MrWayne]

I'm not overly opposed to mp because I would like to see it be done if just to see all our heroes in the same environment at the same time. It could make for some fun game play. But I dont think adding it to the main story would be enjoyable for me. I prefer Batman pretty much alone just how rocksteady has been doing it.

I think a cool implementation would be to add along with challenge rooms, separate mini main games as an option utilizing mp that have nothing to do with the main story so there are no conflicts.

[HELL N' SPIDERS]

I would love to see some co-op play. But ONLY on the challenge maps. It would definitely interfere with plot unit was in the main story.

[Darkness Falls]

how was the harley dlc ?
really looking forward to getting it now i'm on holidays

[Sparta*]

well.......dont get too excited haha I was, and ended up being dissapointed...its fun for what it is I guess, but its really nothing special and doesnt answer any questions

[Silvermoth]

Originally Posted by Darkness Falls

how was the harley dlc ?
really looking forward to getting it now i'm on holidays

Underwhelming. It's barely an hour and a half of content.