Fantastic Four reborn! - Part 3

[Franklin Richards]

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah, i love spidey and johnny's friendship

[Blackman]

I do too. HIlarious

[jaymes_e06]

Thank you for sharing that Franklin that entire conversation was win.

[Hypestyle]

...I wonder how the Fantastic Four would have handled the events of the movie Prometheus? Hmm.. another Fox film..

The next film should have cosmic exploration, with serious consequences..

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by Hypestyle

...I wonder how the Fantastic Four would have handled the events of the movie Prometheus? Hmm.. another Fox film..

The next film should have cosmic exploration, with serious consequences..

well... i haven't been hearing that much greatness of prometheus from friends so far (i still want to see it, but been hearing as well its pretty much "Star Trek V", but... regardless, Prometheus's tone is nothing like the Fantastic four... though the premise is an interesting idea for them with Galactus or the Watchers or brood or something.

[The Overlord]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

yeah, i love spidey and johnny's friendship

That's nice, but we are not going to see this in a movie any time soon, considering Spidey and the FF are owned by two different studios. These movies have to stand on their own for the most part, relying on important solo stories rather then crossover events, a comic book movie has to rely on its mythos, rogues gallery, supporting cast, etc. Black Widow and Nick Fury being in Iron Man 2 did not make the movie better, in fact they distracted from the main plot.

[spideyboy_1111]

That's nice. But I've never once said a plot should center around anyone else but the title character. If anything a cameo. Not a cross over event

[The Overlord]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

That's nice. But I've never once said a plot should center around anyone else but the title character. If anything a cameo. Not a cross over event

The X-Men movies are filled with pointless cameos that add nothing to the plot and just complicate things later, with two different versions of Emma Frost showing up the X-Men movies, because they wanted to have a pointless Emma Frost cameo in the Wolverine. I'm not a fan of these type of cameos, because of how often they are handled poorly.

[spideyboy_1111]

Originally Posted by The Overlord

The X-Men movies are filled with pointless cameos that add nothing to the plot and just complicate things later, with two different versions of Emma Frost showing up the X-Men movies, because they wanted to have a pointless Emma Frost cameo in the Wolverine. I'm not a fan of these type of cameos, because of how often they are handled poorly.

The XMEN cameos are pointless. But what I can easily see is not so. I'm not entirely sure you understand.... Having the fantastic four or avengers or what not on a television in the background, a character mentioning another hero, or a gave on a daily bugle cover is not distracting from the story.... Having oscorp and stark towers appear in all marvel NYC skylines would distract nothing unless you have severe ADD. having reed meet with Pym or stark when building something wouldn't either. As long as focus isn't shifted your fine

[The Overlord]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

The XMEN cameos are pointless. But what I can easily see is not so. I'm not entirely sure you understand.... Having the fantastic four or avengers or what not on a television in the background, a character mentioning another hero, or a gave on a daily bugle cover is not distracting from the story.... Having oscorp and stark towers appear in all marvel NYC skylines would distract nothing unless you have severe ADD. having reed meet with Pym or stark when building something wouldn't either. As long as focus isn't shifted your fine

Well it all depends how much effect such a cameo would have on the plot. Having a whole conversation between Johnny and Spidey could be distracted to the main story, like Nick Fury and Black Widow involvement in Iron Man 2 distracted from the main plot. I think taking those two out would have made the movie stronger. So yeah, its pretty easy for these cameos to become distracting or annoying, as seen with Iron Man 2 and the X-Men movies. A small cameo like Tony Stark appearing at the end of Incredible Hulk could work, because it was a smaller cameo. But the majority of the cameos in these movies have not worked well, so I would limit to be very small, so they don't distract from the main plot. A newspaper article or a Stark corporate logo is not as distract as a long conversation between Reed and Hank Pym. For the most part, shorter is better with these cameos.

[spideyboy_1111]

You mean distracted you. The fan base seems to be 50/50 still on ironman 2... Which I actually think got a hell of alot better when you watch them all with avengers... And most the general public was distracted because they knew nothing of these characters....

But like I said, it's all situational and how it's handled

Widows cameo wasn't a cameo. She was a cast member and written in nicely. It was fury who was more confusing to people because many didn't see the after credits of ironman. So adding him in felt kinda forced.

Cameos work, and work well if handled properly. Like Hawkeye in Thor. Fans knew who he was, but the general audience assumes it was an agent. the banner reference in Thor wasn't distracting either, nor was thanos or project pegasus in avengers...

[The Overlord]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

You mean distracted you. The fan base seems to be 50/50 still on ironman 2... Which I actually think got a hell of alot better when you watch them all with avengers... And most the general public was distracted because they knew nothing of these characters....

But the fact there was such a split means a lot people felt it fell short, much is not something that should be ignored.

But that was the problem for a lot people, this was supposed to be an Iron Man film, yet it seemed like a big advertisement for the Avengers film, which made it less cohesive as an Iron Man. And if these cameos are distracting to the general public, then they are doing the movie a disservice. Putting in cameos that make for a less cohesive film, just please fan boys, is not good movie making. Its not tight story telling.

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

But like I said, it's all situational and how it's handled

Widows cameo wasn't a cameo. She was a cast member and written in nicely. It was fury who was more confusing to people because many didn't see the after credits of ironman. So adding him in felt kinda forced.

Cameos work, and work well if handled properly. Like Hawkeye in Thor. Fans knew who he was, but the general audience assumes it was an agent. the banner reference in Thor wasn't distracting either, nor was thanos or project pegasus in avengers...

Black Widow added nothing to that movie, kicking her out and focusing more on other characters would have made that movie stronger, the villain being out of focus for the whole second act made the film seem very confused and jumbled. Having Johnny and Spidey having a funny conservation seems like it would add nothing to the plot of an FF movie, where the focus should be on the FF and their story. In hero's movie, the focus should be on that hero or heroes, adding more characters doesn't always make things better.

Also I didn't really care about Hawkeye being in the Thor it did nothing for me, seemed kinda pointless. It wasn't annoying or distracting persay, but it didn't enhance the movie in anyway for me. The only cameo I kinda liked was the Tony Stark cameo at the end of Incredible Hulk and Nick Fury at the end of Iron Man 1. The rest have either been pointless or annoying.

[spideyboy_1111]

i disagree

and no one said the comic above should be randomly inserted into a movie...

[The Overlord]

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111

i disagree

and no one said the comic above should be randomly inserted into a movie...

Alright fine. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

[fangz]

i think sometimes even what seems like a harmless cameo scene can mess up the pacing of a movie. maybe not in itself ruining anything too much, but a few misjudgments over the course of a film can leave the audience feeling disjointed or that something felt off about things without really consciously being able to blame it on one thing or another.

it all, of course, comes down to writing and for whatever happens in the movie to come naturally from what's called for. so it's not like there's some of us that demand cameos and others that just hate them. a well done cameo, i'm sure we would all agree was good for the movie, but people like me or The Overlord would probably point out that this wasn't what we disliked about cameos. but a poorly done one, and then probably spideyboy_1111 would be saying that wasn't he meant by a good cameo.
in general tho, i think that those kind of interconnections are a hard thing to have happen naturally and for people to know when to be firm and just cut them out when they don't add much.

the hard choices about scenes like that are the little references. for example, i'm glad they cut the Pym reference in Thor. i think at some point, throwing in something like that can go against the way a character naturally structures their speech. not saying Selvig had much of a personality, but sometimes, people, in general, just wouldn't say things a certain way. even tho we can rationalize it saying, 'i don't see why someone couldn't say something like that', once we hear it, there's something unnatural about it.

it's the same thing that alerts us in real life that someone might be lying or purposefully trying to talk to us just to be able to mention or ask us something that they don't want to seem obvious about.

[spideyboy_1111]

Nothing should feel forced

[metaphysician]

Originally Posted by Hypestyle

...I wonder how the Fantastic Four would have handled the events of the movie Prometheus? Hmm.. another Fox film..

The next film should have cosmic exploration, with serious consequences..

Reed Richards wouldn't have poked the alien life form.

( Johnny would have )

[Blackman]

What about Jessica Chastain (The Help, Taking Shelter, The Debt) as Sue Storm?

[spideyboy_1111]

i could def see it

[marcvader]

Not bad a tal.

[Kelly]

I can't see her as Sue Storm, not sure why....there is just a combination that the person has to have....can't really explain it.

[spideyboy_1111]

i still think sue is suppose to have the "big sister" vibe to her... sorta like a grown up version of a girl from the Baby Sitters Club lol. Not sure Jessica has that, but she'd do decently.

If jessica biel could act, i could sorta see her with blonde hair and doing it. Unfortunately... her acting is about on par with Albas....

[Kelly]

Jessica Biel kind of has a harsh look about her, she is beautiful no doubt though.

[Project862006]

still like banks for the role she has always been my number 1 choice