Improving Fight Scenes II

[MrWayne]

I also think that people prefer the Maroni club fight scene because its dark and you really cant make out everything so maybe it just looks better executed under strobe lighting lol

But to your point in TDK, Bruce is still "learning from his mistakes".

I find it rather enjoyable actually to see Batman take a few hits, I think I would be bothered if he fought 5-6 goons and no one ever landed a single punch.

[JackWhite]

I like how he takes the beer bottle over the head and keeps charging forward with attack. Obviously, the bottle does not affect him what so ever because of the cowl.

Strobe lights or not, I really enjoyed the choreography during that particular scene.

[DKDetective]

Originally Posted by MrWayne

I also think that people prefer the Maroni club fight scene because its dark and you really cant make out everything so maybe it just looks better executed under strobe lighting lol

But to your point in TDK, Bruce is still "learning from his mistakes".

I find it rather enjoyable actually to see Batman take a few hits, I think I would be bothered if he fought 5-6 goons and no one ever landed a single punch.

I agree when it comes to 5-6 goons, but I don't like that it seems like Bruce relies way too much on his body armor in that scene. It's like he's not even trying to manage other opponents. He fights one guy while not even trying to keep an eye on the one behind him and lets that guy smash beer bottles over his head because the armor can handle it.

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by DKDetective

I agree when it comes to 5-6 goons, but I don't like that it seems like Bruce relies way too much on his body armor in that scene. It's like he's not even trying to manage other opponents. He fights one guy while not even trying to keep an eye on the one behind him and lets that guy smash beer bottles over his head because the armor can handle it.

I believe the point of that scene was to show Batman's anger at Gordon's death. So he charges in Maroni's club and just throws himself at Maroni's goons like a bull. He wasn't even trying to be calculating or clinical. It was as if he was in a drunken rage and the way he takes down his opponents with sheer brute force rather than precision strikes shows that.

"He doesn't wanna talk to us...God help whoever he does wanna talk to".

[JackWhite]

Batman be ragin', ya'll!

[MrWayne]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

I believe the point of that scene was to show Batman's anger at Gordon's death. So he charges in Maroni's club and just throws himself at Maroni's goons like a bull. He wasn't even trying to be calculating or clinical. It was as if he was in a drunken rage and the way he takes down his opponents with sheer brute force rather than precision strikes shows that.

"He doesn't wanna talk to us...God help whoever he does wanna talk to".

Bravo... Thank you. Was just about to post the same sentiments. He's in a rage and a fit.

[JackWhite]

Can someone clarify the differences between the BB suit and TDK suit?

From what I understand Bale could move better in the BB suit but it didn't allow for much articulation; because the suit was actually 2-3 parts. Whereas TDK suit allowed for more articulation and mobility, considering it had much more moving parts; yet it actually weighed more compared to the previous one.

[MrWayne]

Not really, but close.

BB worked for him starting out but he eventually realized it had some restrictions, it was too heavy which made him slow, and he couldn't turn his head which is a major disadvantage in his line of work.

By the time he reached TDK, he knew he needed to be lighter and faster and be able to move his head side to side to really be at an advantage against criminals.
It suited him better but still had it's flaws. The pros out weighed the cons.

[Cassandra Cain]

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

Judging by this commercial, this action/fight scene seems like a great improvement. I'd love if more scenes used this camera panning technique throughout. Even if the scene is slowed down a bit (slow-mo), it still looks pretty awesome!

[JackWhite]

Originally Posted by MrWayne

Not really, but close.

BB worked for him starting out but he eventually realized it had some restrictions, it was too heavy which made him slow, and he couldn't turn his head which is a major disadvantage in his line of work.

By the time he reached TDK, he knew he needed to be lighter and faster and be able to move his head side to side to really be at an advantage against criminals.
It suited him better but still had it's flaws. The pros out weighed the cons.

Oh no, I meant in real life, not storyline wise, lol.

[JackWhite]

Originally Posted by Cassandra Cain

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

Judging by this commercial, this action/fight scene seems like a great improvement. I'd love if more scenes used this camera panning technique throughout. Even if the scene is slowed down a bit (slow-mo), it still looks pretty awesome!

I hope we get an HD version soon. I love all these little bits and pieces of advertisements for the film.

[GENERAL RAAM582]

You know the shot of Batman like pimp slapping the mercenary in the latest TDKR TV Spot? It looked weird to me, Batman doesn't look close enough to him to have his punch actually hit.

[MrWayne]

Originally Posted by JackWhite

Oh no, I meant in real life, not storyline wise, lol.

In real life, they changed the suit for the same reasons as in the movie.

Nolan explained this very same thing himself. I think it's actually on the specials of the BD/DVD.

[DKDetective]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

I believe the point of that scene was to show Batman's anger at Gordon's death. So he charges in Maroni's club and just throws himself at Maroni's goons like a bull. He wasn't even trying to be calculating or clinical. It was as if he was in a drunken rage and the way he takes down his opponents with sheer brute force rather than precision strikes shows that.

"He doesn't wanna talk to us...God help whoever he does wanna talk to".

Yeah, I'm well aware - even still and I'm going to sound ridiculous for this, it just didn't strike me as Batman-angry if you understand. It was way too careless and reckless and stupid. To me, angry Batman in a fight would be more like Denzel Washington's character in Man on Fire or John Preston at the end of Equilibrium, seething rage just below the surface - choosing extremely brutal but efficient ways to exact his vengeance - not pointlessly brawling with two-bit thugs. The way Bats handled Maroni is precisely what I'm talking about. These are just minor quibbles of course.

[reddimp]

^ I was thinking the same thing, he wasn't close enough to actually hit the guy. I saw someone say they thought he was firing his forearm blades at the guy which could make sense.

[kvz5]

Originally Posted by GENERAL RAAM582

You know the shot of Batman like pimp slapping the mercenary in the latest TDKR TV Spot? It looked weird to me, Batman doesn't look close enough to him to have his punch actually hit.

Originally Posted by reddimp

^ I was thinking the same thing, he wasn't close enough to actually hit the guy. I saw someone say they thought he was firing his forearm blades at the guy which could make sense.

This? I think he was slashing the guy's face with the gauntlets?

[Cassandra Cain]

Originally Posted by reddimp

^ I was thinking the same thing, he wasn't close enough to actually hit the guy. I saw someone say they thought he was firing his forearm blades at the guy which could make sense.

Yea, I thought the same thing too. Which would be an even worse hit since he's literally slashing the guy's face. Now that's one unmerciful Bat!

[JackWhite]

Originally Posted by MrWayne

In real life, they changed the suit for the same reasons as in the movie.

Nolan explained this very same thing himself. I think it's actually on the specials of the BD/DVD.

I was confused because I remember awhile back when discussing the fight scenes, some people felt Batman moved a lot faster in BB with the heavier suit and moved slower in TDK with what should have been a more mobile suit.

I was just curious as to how that could be. I guess it was just the materials used in making TDK suit.

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Originally Posted by kvz5

This? I think he was slashing the guy's face with the gauntlets?

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His gauntlets don't look like they'd hit either. So maybe he has something in his hand, or they are shooting as his moves.

[MrWayne]

Originally Posted by kvz5

This? I think he was slashing the guy's face with the gauntlets?

Yea I wanna see Batman show no mercy to those mercs and say to hell with my rule. Cuz what good is just incapacitating them for them to just get up later and regroup?

He needs to kill kill kill and take em all out. Or at least slash and maim

Damn I do love me some Batman kicking a$$ though!

[AnneFan]

Beating up a bunch of goons and walking down into the sewers. Probably running into Catwoman soon after.

[HanTorso]

How can there be a fight scene between Batman and Bane when Batman's suit is covered with jagged blades on the forearms? I mean think about how hard it would be to fight against someone, even someone a lot smaller and weaker than yourself, if the other person had those Shredder-style gauntlets. In the other movies they got around this issue by having the fights happen effectively off-camera, with only a few brief, unrevealing glimpses of the action, but in this movie the physical confrontation between Batman and Bane is such an important part of the movie, I don't see how they can get around showing it at least somewhat clearly.

[JackWhite]

Originally Posted by AnneFan

Beating up a bunch of goons and walking down into the sewers. Probably running into Catwoman soon after.

So it would seem.

A triumphant return as Batman, by a reinvigorated Bruce Wayne....


....only for him to meet certain doom at the hands of Bane.

Possibly.

[MrWayne]

Probably.

[AnneWentBlack]

i want to see bane just plow through batman like a juggernaut