Movies inspired by this?

[The Joker]

I sometimes see movies like Casino Royale, Star Trek 2009, The Incredible Hulk and Sherlock Holmes being cited as being influenced by Begins.

Is there any links to where these film makers said they were influenced by it?

[Squaremaster316]

Originally Posted by The Joker

I sometimes see movies like Casino Royale, Star Trek 2009, The Incredible Hulk and Sherlock Holmes being cited as being influenced by Begins.

Is there any links to where these film makers said they were influenced by it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_Begins#Impact

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by Squaremaster316

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_Begins#Impact

That doesn't tell me anything about Casino Royale and Star Trek. Shawn Adler of MTV is just giving his own opinion. He's not affiliated with those movies.

The Sherlock Holmes link said this:

Before Mr. Downey came along, Mr. Ritchie considered making the film about Sherlock Holmes as a young man, in the vein of “Batman Begins,” positioning him somewhere between adulthood and the teenage Holmes of Barry Levinson’s film “Young Sherlock Holmes” (1985).

But he soon scrapped that idea, betting on Mr. Downey’s action-hero prowess, on display last year in “Iron Man,” and on the singular take he was sure to bring the character.

[El Payaso]

Other than being reboots I don't see a bit of a resemblance between Batman begins and Casino Royale or Star Trek.

[Lead Cenobite]

I think that's the idea. Batman Begins kicked off the reboot craze.

I also kinda felt like Tron: Legacy was influenced by Begins. It's much moodier than the original Tron ever was and Garret Hedlund comes off as doing a Christian Bale impression at times.

[socool]

I don't have the link because of how long ago it was, but Marc Webb directly stated that they looked to Batman Begins for inspiration when making The Amazing Spider-Man.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by socool

I don't have the link because of how long ago it was, but Marc Webb directly stated that they looked to Batman Begins for inspiration when making The Amazing Spider-Man.

Yes, I read that, too, somewhere. Spidey isn't one of the movies I am referring to. It's the ones I've listed above like Bond and Star Trek.

[socool]

Originally Posted by The Joker

Yes, I read that, too, somewhere. Spidey isn't one of the movies I am referring to. It's the ones I've listed above like Bond and Star Trek.

Oh, I have no idea then. I don't really see those movies as being inspired by Batman Begins, myself.

[The Joker]

Me neither. Yet it gets cited for inspiring them...

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by The Joker

Me neither. Yet it gets cited for inspiring them...

Maybe it just encouraged them.

[FigsNFilms]

Iron Man (2008) ... Right down to it's narrative structure and plot twist.

Amazing Spider-Man (2012)

Man of Steel (2013)

[Fudgie]

Classic example of a movie getting more credit than it deserves. Casino Royale was well into production when Begins came out.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Iron Man (2008) ... Right down to it's narrative structure and plot twist.

Amazing Spider-Man (2012)

Man of Steel (2013)

These were not movies I was referring to. See my OP.

[FigsNFilms]

Originally Posted by The Joker

These were not movies I was referring to. See my OP.

Then I'm not understanding what you meant.

These films mentioned have specifically cited Batman Begins as a source of inspiration.

Do I have time to find the quotes? No, do it yourself if you're interested.

But on this very site, pre Iron Man release SHH had their interview w/ the director and he mentioned Batman Begins numerous times as being a source of inspiration.

The MAN OF STEEL I don't think has had any direct quotes relating it's influence to BEGINS, but it's obvious. The think tank for the film was Goyer and Nolan. And even the text of the film's title is in the same font and style of BEGINS, TDK, and RISES.

Amazing Spider-Man has obviously been fashioned after BEGINS. The Raimi films, much like the Burton / Schumacher films were more stylized fair and done with tongue in cheek, that eventually went down a road of colorful camp.

Amazing Spider-Man is a grittier, more character study of Peter Parker akin to Batman Begins was with Bruce Wayne. Both franchises picked an actor who better suited the protagonist physically, and from an acting perspective. Both franchises were re-invisioned by a director that wasn't typical for that type of movie.

The inspiration is clear as day.

[Majik1387]

Batman Begins does not have the copyright on remaking movie series.

It didn't inspire any movies.

[FigsNFilms]

Originally Posted by Majik1387

It didn't inspire any movies.

No one said these movies COPIED Batman Begins, we said inspired.

Which these films, and a few others clearly have ... and have been cited before by the film makers of other movies.

Hell, Nolan kind of set up the now standard for the superhero movie trilogy formula.

[Majik1387]

Except no, he didn't. as much as I dislike the Spidey movies, they had the trilogy all set up before Nolan came along.

And all Batman Begins did was show studios that properties that are not only remade, but treated with integrity, can be box office successes. That's not inspiration, that observing what works in their industry.

[FigsNFilms]

Originally Posted by Majik1387

Except no, he didn't. as much as I dislike the Spidey movies, they had the trilogy all set up before Nolan came along.

No, we're talking about the GOOD formula for a superhero trilogy.

Film 1 = Set up protagonist and his world. Establish his background, his ideals, his reasoning for being a hero. Character study.

Film 2= Protagonist v.s. his biggest threat. A less personal, but epic battle of our protagonist against his greatest enemy.

Film 3= Conclusion to the character's arc.

Originally Posted by Majik1387

That's not inspiration, that observing what works in their industry.

That is absolutely inspiring. BEGINS kind of kicked of the true golden age of comic book movies.

Less tongue in cheek nature, more serious, more true to the roots of the material.

This is all besides the point, film makers have cited the film before as a source of inspiration.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

No, we're talking about the GOOD formula for a superhero trilogy.

Film 1 = Set up protagonist and his world. Establish his background, his ideals, his reasoning for being a hero. Character study.

Film 2= Protagonist v.s. his biggest threat. A less personal, but epic battle of our protagonist against his greatest enemy.

Film 3= Conclusion to the character's arc.

Film 1 (which is Batman Begins) = Spider-man 1. Your description fits SM1 perfectly. And Superman the Movie too. In fact it fits almost every first superhero movie.

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

That is absolutely inspiring. BEGINS kind of kicked of the true golden age of comic book movies.

Kinda no.

TDK was a masterpiece, yes, but if anything it'll be TDKR which will set some new standsrd by daring to show the end of a story whereas the rest of sagas try to stretch the story to no end as long as it keeps making money.

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Less tongue in cheek nature, more serious, more true to the roots of the material.

More serious tone was achieved long time before BB by STM, B89 and X-men. And truer to the root material by STM and Spider-man 1 and 2. BB was not closer to the root material than those. Joe Chill was never arrested, Ducard is NOT Ra's al Ghul, Flass is not a fatass, Bruce and family were not watching an opera the night of the Wayne's killing, Bruce didn't have a female chilhood friend, etc.

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

This is all besides the point, film makers have cited the film before as a source of inspiration.

Yes, not that it was the pinacle of superhero movies.

[FigsNFilms]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

Film 1 (which is Batman Begins) = Spider-man 1. Your description fits SM1 perfectly. And Superman the Movie too. In fact it fits almost every first superhero movie.

Spider-Man and Superman TM they shared the spotlight with one of their main villains.

So no, that description doesn't fit those films.

Originally Posted by El Payaso

Kinda no.

No, it did ... I know you don't like BEGINS, so obviously your hidden agenda is well ... clear.

I said it kick started a more serious tone to the comic book films.

Does that mean prior films weren't serious? No. But there was a level of psychology and intelligence that was more apparent post Batman Begins.

Originally Posted by El Payaso

TDK was a masterpiece, yes, but if anything it'll be TDKR which will set some new standsrd by daring to show the end of a story whereas the rest of sagas try to stretch the story to no end as long as it keeps making money.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by El Payaso

More serious tone was achieved long time before BB by STM, B89 and X-men.

Those films weren't all that serious. ESPECIALLY not Superman TM.

Who are you kidding.

B89 was innovative in its dark, moody visuals. But the story of the film at its core was not all that serious.

Originally Posted by El Payaso

BB was not closer to the root material than those. Joe Chill was never arrested, Ducard is NOT Ra's al Ghul, Flass is not a fatass, Bruce and family were not watching an opera the night of the Wayne's killing, Bruce didn't have a female chilhood friend, etc.

Wrong.

I'm talking about the essence of the character and his world.

Sure superficial things were different, as they should be to make a story we already some what know fresh and exciting.

But the essence of the relationships between characters, or the pure purpose of a character even if on the surface were different, were a lot more true to their actual nature.

Originally Posted by El Payaso

Yes, not that it was the pinacle of superhero movies.

Point me in the exact direction where I said Batman Begins was the pinacle of superhero movies.

Thank You.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Spider-Man and Superman TM they shared the spotlight with one of their main villains.

So no, that description doesn't fit those films.

Ah yes, villiains in those movies had some development beyond a couple of scenesso no, that description doesn't fit those films.

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

No, it did ... I know you don't like BEGINS, so obviously your hidden agenda is well ... clear.

Ah, was it hidden? I didn't know.

The same way, do you have a hidden agenda because you defend a movie you like?

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

I said it kick started a more serious tone to the comic book films.

Does that mean prior films weren't serious? No. But there was a level of psychology and intelligence that was more apparent post Batman Begins.

Yes, post-Batman Begins. Not in Batman Begins.

Begins was an unfulfilled promise.

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Agreed.

Yes. TDK and TDKR might ne the actual ones that made a difference.

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Those films weren't all that serious. ESPECIALLY not Superman TM.

Who are you kidding.

B89 was innovative in its dark, moody visuals. But the story of the film at its core was not all that serious.

Nor it was Begins.

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Wrong.

I'm talking about the essence of the character and his world.

Me too.

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Sure superficial things were different, as they should be to make a story we already some what know fresh and exciting.

But the essence of the relationships between characters, or the pure purpose of a character even if on the surface were different, were a lot more true to their actual nature.

As it was in those movies I mentioned.

Joe Chill being immediately captured denied the whole point of Bruce Wayne distrusting leaglity and police authorities that is essential to the comic incarnation.

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Point me in the exact direction where I said Batman Begins was the pinacle of superhero movies.

Thank You.

"BEGINS kind of kicked of the true golden age of comic book movies."

You're welcome.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Then I'm not understanding what you meant.

These films mentioned have specifically cited Batman Begins as a source of inspiration.

No they didn't. That's the point. Show me where Casino Royale, Sherlock Holmes, Star Trek and The Incredible Hulk said they were inspired by Batman Begins.

I know some movies have been like The Amazing Spider-Man. But not the ones I specifically mentioned in my OP, yet Begins gets credit for inspiring them. I'm asking to see some proof of this. That's all.

Do I have time to find the quotes? No, do it yourself if you're interested.

Thanks, but I already searched for them. If I had found anything do you think I'd be making this thread to see if anyone else could shed some light on it?

You're spending enough time in here arguing the point. I think if you could you would have provided the quotes to back up your points.

But on this very site, pre Iron Man release SHH had their interview w/ the director and he mentioned Batman Begins numerous times as being a source of inspiration.

The MAN OF STEEL I don't think has had any direct quotes relating it's influence to BEGINS, but it's obvious. The think tank for the film was Goyer and Nolan. And even the text of the film's title is in the same font and style of BEGINS, TDK, and RISES.

Amazing Spider-Man has obviously been fashioned after BEGINS. The Raimi films, much like the Burton / Schumacher films were more stylized fair and done with tongue in cheek, that eventually went down a road of colorful camp.

Amazing Spider-Man is a grittier, more character study of Peter Parker akin to Batman Begins was with Bruce Wayne. Both franchises picked an actor who better suited the protagonist physically, and from an acting perspective. Both franchises were re-invisioned by a director that wasn't typical for that type of movie.

The inspiration is clear as day.

Did you see me mention Iron Man, The Amazing Spider-Man or The Man of Steel in my opening post?

I think you have reading comprehension issues. I never mentioned any of them.

[redhawk23]

It definitely popularized the concept (and t"he word itself) of "reboot." Begins laid the groundwork for a business plan at the very least, a term that sounded slightly more palatable than "remake of the first film in a played out series." Instead of finding weird ways to continue with endless sequels, especially with horror films, they can just go back to the beginning. Since Begins we've gotten "reboots" of Halloween, Nightmare on Elmstreet and Friday the 13th.

As for Casino Royale, I'm pretty sure that film was at least in some stage of production before Begins came out. Also the reboot of the James Bond series had a lot more to do with the simple fact that that Eon had finally got a hold of the rights to the book of Casino Royale after decades. Its a lot more akin to the Hobbit getting made now.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by redhawk23

It definitely popularized the concept (and t"he word itself) of "reboot." Begins laid the groundwork for a business plan at the very least, a term that sounded slightly more palatable than "remake of the first film in a played out series." Instead of finding weird ways to continue with endless sequels, especially with horror films, they can just go back to the beginning. Since Begins we've gotten "reboots" of Halloween, Nightmare on Elmstreet and Friday the 13th.

They were all labelled remakes not reboots.

As for Casino Royale, I'm pretty sure that film was at least in some stage of production before Begins came out. Also the reboot of the James Bond series had a lot more to do with the simple fact that that Eon had finally got a hold of the rights to the book of Casino Royale after decades. Its a lot more akin to the Hobbit getting made now.

That's what I figured. Being a big Bond fan I never heard a whisper about Begins influencing it in any way.

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by The Joker

I sometimes see movies like Casino Royale, Star Trek 2009, The Incredible Hulk and Sherlock Holmes being cited as being influenced by Begins.

Is there any links to where these film makers said they were influenced by it?

I don't remember where I read it, but I heard while Casino Royale was inspired by Batman Begins, Star Trek '09 was inspired by both BB and Casino Royale.