State your unpopular film related opinion - Part 8

[jonathancrane]

The Raimi Spiderman films have not held up well to time and repeat viewings. The villains' performances as well as the supporting cast remain solid, though. However, the scripted Mary Jane made me hate the character. Special effects, on the other hand, are inconsistent. The Goblin looks like **** in the first film, while the practical effects for S2 Doc Ock are fine. 3 was perfect in this regard.
As for storytelling, the Harry-MJ-and Peter love triangle is as bad as the Jean, Scooter (spelling is a reference to a fic) and Wolvie one at its worst. Bleh. However, I enjoyed Harry's arc in S3, but did not carw for the Sandman's. Raimi had way too many sympathetic/misunderstood villains. Why can't they be evil?

However, I will say the scene showing the Sandman assemble himself is one of the best comic scenes ever filmed.

So, I wish Raimi had made S4. He matured through the films and had a terrific proposal regarding the Vulturess. But, the designs and bad writing makes them an inconsistent viewing: when this symphony is working, it is beautiful, like the mysic of the spheres Paftnutius referred. Angelicand haunting. When it fails, it has the depth and emptiness of a Katy Perry song...which makes my ears bleed. In this case, my eyes, ears, and mind.

[bullets]

Originally Posted by Wesley Dodds

Speaking of Spider-Man 2, even after all these years, it's still my favorite ever comic book movie.
I've never felt it was disjointed at all. Actually, I think it flows beautifully...

There's a lot of revisionist history going on when it comes to Spider-man 2.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by jonathancrane

The Raimi Spiderman films have not held up well to time and repeat viewings. The villains' performances as well as the supporting cast remain solid, though. However, the scripted Mary Jane made me hate the character. Special effects, on the other hand, are inconsistent. The Goblin looks like **** in the first film, while the practical effects for S2 Doc Ock are fine. 3 was perfect in this regard.
As for storytelling, the Harry-MJ-and Peter love triangle is as bad as the Jean, Scooter (spelling is a reference to a fic) and Wolvie one at its worst. Bleh. However, I enjoyed Harry's arc in S3, but did not carw for the Sandman's. Raimi had way too many sympathetic/misunderstood villains. Why can't they be evil?

The only good acted villiain I remember is Octopus. And yes, MJ was bad, and I think her relationship with Peter was awful. Even before it started. The way MJ - most popular girl, rich boyfriend - suddenly is so interested in Peter and keeps asking him questions just because. I don't know, that's presicely what doesn't happen.

Originally Posted by jonathancrane

However, I will say the scene showing the Sandman assemble himself is one of the best comic scenes ever filmed.

Absolutely.

Originally Posted by jonathancrane

So, I wish Raimi had made S4. He matured through the films and had a terrific proposal regarding the Vulturess. But, the designs and bad writing makes them an inconsistent viewing: when this symphony is working, it is beautiful, like the mysic of the spheres Paftnutius referred. Angelicand haunting. When it fails, it has the depth and emptiness of a Katy Perry song...which makes my ears bleed. In this case, my eyes, ears, and mind.

I don't think Raimi matured. He didn't know how to keep stretching MJ-Peter's relationship and Spider-man 3 had all the problems the previous movies had and nothing of their goodness.

[Rowsdower!]

Just watched Sanctum. I think everyone hated it for some reason, but I thought it was pretty good. Sad, but good. Richard Roxburgh (who I'm not always a fan of) played a convincing hardass and the premise was pretty damn suspensful.

[spider-neil]

I think SM2 is as good now as when I watched it in theatres (5 times). SM1, hmm...not so much, but the end battle is frigging fantastic STILL.

[munchie64]

I still enjoy watching Spider-Man 1 more than 2 (even though it's obviously a way better a film). It's probably a nostalgia thing though.

[CConn]

Y'know, I think I was one of the very small amount of people who wasn't impressed with SM1 when it came out.

I mean, when it came out, people were praising it to be the best comic book movie ever up until that point, and it's box office numbers certainly were blowing everything away, but I never saw anyone near the depth in it that previous movies like Batman and even X-Men had..so I remained pretty unimpressed by it.

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by CConn

Y'know, I think I was one of the very small amount of people who wasn't impressed with SM1 when it came out.

I mean, when it came out, people were praising it to be the best comic book movie ever up until that point, and it's box office numbers certainly were blowing everything away, but I never saw anyone near the depth in it that previous movies like Batman and even X-Men had..so I remained pretty unimpressed by it.

As a Spider-Man fan thought SM1 was 'okay' but I was completely blown away by SM2 and saw it 5 times at the cinema. If I have any friends who aren't into superhero movies and I want to convert them then SM2 is one of 5 movies that I show them.

[CConn]

Oh yeah, I liked SM2 much better than SM1.

It was kinda the TDK before TDK.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by CConn

Y'know, I think I was one of the very small amount of people who wasn't impressed with SM1 when it came out.

Same here. It was the only movie I have ever bought the tickets in advance for. When I came out I was still trying to like it, but no.

Originally Posted by CConn

I mean, when it came out, people were praising it to be the best comic book movie ever up until that point, and it's box office numbers certainly were blowing everything away, but I never saw anyone near the depth in it that previous movies like Batman and even X-Men had..so I remained pretty unimpressed by it.

I think people were impressed at how faithful it was. And of course the movie wanted to be nothing but fun. But, as you say, X-Men or the Burton's Bat-movies were better.

Five minutes into the movie I couldn't believe they were depicting Peter as the quintessential nerd caricature. That caricature that has no place outside cartoons. Then I was devastated when I couldn't feel a bit of an emotion when Uncle Ben died.

[CConn]

Honestly, Spider-Man 2 was the first superhero movie that actually impressed me since Burton's Batman.

[DyeLorean]

At the time, Spider-Man 2 impressed me a lot. I went to see it 4 times. The train sequence is still a favorite action scene of mine, and it made full use of the characters's abilities. It was just very well done.

I can't say the same for the other 2, though. #3 was a major, major dissapointment.
But I do agree that the first appearance of Sandman, forming itself, it's awesome.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

This is my favorite thread.

Iron Man's not that great anymore. I think The Avengers killed it.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg Bop

This is my favorite thread.

Iron Man's not that great anymore. I think The Avengers killed it.

Comedy in Iron Man is all Robert Downey Jr. That alone makes Iron man better.

[gwynplaine]

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg Bop

This is my favorite thread.

Iron Man's not that great anymore. I think The Avengers killed it.

I see what you mean, but I think they are both really good, entertaining (superhero) films.
I love Carpenter's "Halloween", but it didn't kill "Psycho" for me, which I also love. In a few years or maybe sooner, something will be more spectacular than Avengers and hopefully take the superhero film genre somewhere else, but I will probably still like The Avengers.

(Also my favorite thread.)

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Watching it last night made me wonder just what the hell was OBD's plan?

Kill the terrorists

Kill Tony

?

Profit

[That person]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

The only good acted villiain I remember is Octopus.

DaFoe did a solid job as Osborn, but you couldn't take him seriously once he got in costume.

Sucker Punch is fun to watch.

[gwynplaine]

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg Bop

Watching it last night made me wonder just what the hell was OBD's plan?

Kill the terrorists

Kill Tony

?

Profit

I'm not sure, I don't really remember, but I know that I enjoyed watching the great Jeff Bridges (one of my favorite actors) play a villain for a change.
To each its own of course, but to me IM still holds up as one of the better sh films.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by That person

DaFoe did a solid job as Osborn, but you couldn't take him seriously once he got in costume.

Which is one damn shame actually. The perfect actor in a stupid plastic suit that doesn't allow us to see his face and with not much to do in the movie but asking Spider-man to be his friend.

[spider-neil]

I still think IM is Marvel Studios best movie. Avengers is a whole heap of fun but IM is a better 'MOVIE'. The character of Tony goes through a character arc which no one seems to in Avengers. IM has a poor 3rd act though, Stane goes absolutely nuts, what was his end game? Shield knew who he was and probably had frozen his assets. I thought the end fight was pretty terrible (sorry) but IM's act 1 and act 2 is nothing short of brilliant so you give the movie a pass for the weak climax.

[spider-neil]

Before Nolan I thought Batman was mearly 'okay' to outright terrible.

Batman '89
Nicholson is playing Nicholson so wasn't Joker for me. Batman is a passive character who is reacting to everything and is secondary to Joker, although I do like the detective solving of 'Smile X'. The movie is called 'BATMAN' and that is who I want to see but the clue is Jack Nicholson getting top billing. Bruce Wayne is also passive and the only moment I enjoy is the 'let's get nuts' scene. The action is terrible with batman as still as a board. An okay movie but gets prop for it's visual look.

Batman Returns
I outright HATE. Most of the movie makes no sense whatsoever and Batman is given even less screen time. Can we just admit that before Nolan the Batman movies are about the villians rather than the hero?

Batman Forever
UGH! Looks horrible. Two faces' character is so wrong it is untrue.
Shuemaker(sp) and Nolan have got two faces character wrong. Two face is INCAPABLE of making decisions, the man can't even take a p*** without flipping a coin. He flips a coin the COIN DECIDES.
You shouldn't have two face getting angry when the coin lands contray to what he wanted and you CERTAINLY shouldn't have Two Face flipping the coin until it lands the way he wants, what's the frigging point of that?!

I did like the delving of Bruce Wayne's pysche but the story arc goes nowhere.

Batman and Robin
Where to begin with this PoS?

basically pre Nolan the Batman movies start at 6/10 (for me) and desend to a 1/10). Thank goodness for Chris Nolan but even he hasn't got Two Face righ, the action is chopping and sometimes even incomprehensible and he also focuses on the villians (in TDK).

[SuperFerret]

The villains in Batman tend to be the more interesting characters. Nicholson is the bigger name over Keaton. Two Face is capable of making decisions on his own.


Also, Batman and Robin is the second best Batman movie out there.

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by SuperFerret

Two Face is capable of making decisions on his own.

No he isn't, I read a story where Two Face wets himself because he has lost his coin and can't decide to go to the toilet or not.

[HighFivingMF]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

No he isn't, I read a story where Two Face wets himself because he has lost his coin and can't decide to go to the toilet or not.

At the end of that same story he lets Batman live of his own free will, despite the "Kill him" choice coming up.

[Watchman]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

No he isn't, I read a story where Two Face wets himself because he has lost his coin and can't decide to go to the toilet or not.

And what happens at the end of that story? He makes his own decision.