Young Justice Cartoon - Part 6

[ravn0s]

cool that YJ is up for an emmy nomination. sad that legend of korra isn't since it's the best animated show on tv imo.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Originally Posted by ravn0s

cool that YJ is up for an emmy nomination. sad that legend of korra isn't since it's the best animated show on tv imo.

Looking at the episodes chosen, it seems Korra premiered a little late for nomination. Probably next year.

[Dread]

Originally Posted by Pfeiffer-Pfan

Not to mention they'll probably want some new episodes in Spring 2013 to coincide with the release of the Young Justice: Legacy videogame.

Good point.

It would look silly to release a video game for a show which isn't picked up for a third season. Then again, it'd be no sillier than video games for films that bomb. Halle Berry's "CATWOMAN" got a video game, after all.

If CN wants YJ season 3 by Fall or Winter 2013 they do need to approve it by the summer for sure. If September or October hits and still no hint of a third season, that'll look real bad.

[craigdbfan]

Originally Posted by Dread

If CN wants YJ season 3 by Fall or Winter 2013 they do need to approve it by the summer for sure. If September or October hits and still no hint of a third season, that'll look real bad.

Originally Posted by Pfeiffer-Pfan

Not even a whisper...

I hope we hear something soon.

[Blackman]

Why are people worried about Season 3? Are the ratings not good or whatever?

[RockSP]

Originally Posted by craigdbfan

Any word on a third season?

Originally Posted by Pfeiffer-Pfan

Not even a whisper...

I'd say this is more than a whisper: http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=10&itemid=18480

It's getting a third season. Now people can find something else to mitch and boan about

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Originally Posted by RockSP

I'd say this is more than a whisper: http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=10&itemid=18480

It's getting a third season. Now people can find something else to mitch and boan about

That's actually talking about the second season. The third season has not been officially announced yet.

[Webhead2006]

Thanks for update dread hopefully that is how the scheduling will go. As forr others said if we don't hear of anything by end of summer for another season doesn't look good for yj. Unless they just end up on a long long break for writes/animation to be done.

[Primal Slayer]

Originally Posted by Blackman

Why are people worried about Season 3? Are the ratings not good or whatever?

Because this is CN. They don't deal in logic.

[mr. peasant]

Originally Posted by Blackman

Why are people worried about Season 3? Are the ratings not good or whatever?

Because cartoons tend to have longer production times than live-action. From my understanding, it can take between 6 to 12 months between initial development to a completed episode. Meaning, the longer we not hear confirmation of a third season, the likelier it is that a cartoon has been cancelled or that the decision is made late - resulting in delays in when a third season can premiere.

[RockSP]

Originally Posted by GamerSlyRatchet

That's actually talking about the second season. The third season has not been officially announced yet.

Well damn. Let the mitch-fest continue, I say...

[nygma619]

Originally Posted by Blackman

Why are people worried about Season 3? Are the ratings not good or whatever?

It has a little bit to do with Mattel's horrible mishandling of the "Young Justice" toyline. Stuff like merchandising, toys, etc. are ways that shows like this make their money back for producing them. Now that they've seemingly cancelled the toyline, some of us are getting worried. Ratings have been fine, but nothing earth shattering or anything.

Unless the show does something like huge numbers with it's volume 4 release, or the upcoming Legacy video game; the show's chances of renewal are going to get slimmer.

[Dread]

The last time I estimated how long it takes to produce episodes of "YOUNG JUSTICE", I believe Sarcastic Fan or someone else noted that it takes about 10 months give or take per episode. I usually guesstimate 8-12 months but it may be 10 from scripting to final editing of animated episodes. Naturally, episodes are produced in batches so several come back at once.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...ge-3/#comments

This link actually has a snapshot of the ratings for "YOUNG JUSTICE", as per June 19th. Apparently it scored 1.592 million viewers, which is higher than "GREEN LANTERN" and slightly better than "THUNDERCATS" for the time period (or even "DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER" later on on another network). "LEGEND OF KORRA" for comparison has triple the ratings, though.

The death of the toy line is a blow for the merchandise. I imagine pre-orders of the video game will be very important and DVD sales may matter more than they should.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Nobody's *****ing... people are just unsure of a thrid season.

Truthfully, If they don't announce something (cryptic or otherwise) about a third season at Comic-Con then I would be more worried.

- The toyline has been cancelled.
- The show hasn't exactly been a merchandising bonanza in general.
- The DVD's haven't been great sellers
- The ratings have been good but nothing earth-shattering
- The spin-off comic has been decent sales wise

And I still find it odd that season 2 only got an order of 20 episodes instead of 26.

All things considered the show does seem to be on shaky ground.

[Dread]

Originally Posted by Pfeiffer-Pfan

Nobody's *****ing... people are just unsure of a thrid season.

Truthfully, If they don't announce something (cryptic or otherwise) about a third season at Comic-Con then I would be more worried.

- The toyline has been cancelled.
- The show hasn't exactly been a merchandising bonanza in general.
- The DVD's haven't been great sellers
- The ratings have been good but nothing earth-shattering
- The spin-off comic has been decent sales wise

And I still find it odd that season 2 only got an order of 20 episodes instead of 26.

All things considered the show does seem to be on shaky ground.

You do have a good point; the SDCC has long become a convention to hype things like films, TV shows, and video games more than actual comics. Prior seasons, even the existence of the show were promoted at SDCC's of previous years so if July comes and goes with zippo from that con, I do agree about being worried.

I wouldn't exactly consider the sales for the YOUNG JUSTICE comic "decent", unless the terms for judging sales waver. In May 2013, Diamond listed it as selling 7,466 copies. It is #249 of the Top 300 comics. Now, that's more than other "kiddie books" such as Marvel's A:EMH comic as well as a slew of Dynamite, Image, and Archie books, but it still likely a loss leader for DC Comics. DC has been far more willing to publish these kinds of books over the years than Marvel, with the intention that even getting a few of those kids to grow up and buy "adult" comics is worth the loss. With sales like this, considering cover prices are likely twice what DC gets from Diamond from orders, DC gets roughly $11,161 from the YJ comic every month. That may barely cover the salaries of the creative teams and editors involved with it, unless writing that comic is part of whatever contract Weisman and the TV show writers have (which I doubt).

In fairness, YJ the comic isn't far behind SWEET TOOTH, one of DC's well known Vertigo books. And in comparison to other "kiddie books" like I said, it's doing fine. And we don't know how digital copies sell which do count at DC, trust me. But I doubt it's selling as well under that format as, say, SMALLVILLE SEASON 11.

The real story of Season 2 was that originally 10 episodes were ordered, but shortly after that the order was doubled to 20 episodes. I forget how long the gap between announcements was made, I think a few weeks or so. Perhaps it was decided that the ratings for Season 1 weren't high enough to be profitable to simply order another 26 episodes outright, but they weren't considered so low as to cancel the show altogether. It could also be because when YJ Season 1 was on, there was no "GREEN LANTERN" and some of the DC Shorts were not ready, and "BEWARE THE BATMAN" was still a long way off, so maybe they decided that extending YJ another 10 episodes in Season 2 would "buy more time" to bridge the gap between the next Batman cartoon.

The odd thing to me is that in terms of TV syndication, the "magic number" of episodes to ensure decent syndication time is 52-65 episodes. Shows that had that many episodes usually linger on TV for a long time. Hence why the 90's Spider-Man and X-Men shows seem to NEVER go away. And hence why "TEEN TITANS" aired on reruns for a while (even briefly on Kid's WB which was network TV) and has suddenly gotten a "super deformed" spin off, "TEEN TITANS GO". At the end of Season 2, YJ would have 46 episodes in the can and would need another 7 episodes to reach the 52 episode mark, and another 19 episodes to reach a 65th episode. I sincerely doubt WB & CN would go through the expense to renew YJ for merely another 7 episodes, although as a fan I wouldn't mind if the choice was that or nothing. I mean, "TSSM" fans would have gladly paid $20 for merely another 3-4 episodes of that show on a DVD.

Historically, WB has been at times willing to pay for brief seasons of certain shows. After the first season of "B:TAS" had 52 episodes, Seasons 2-3 only had 10 original episodes in them, and the 4th season in 1995 only had 5 new episodes. Granted, after a 52 episode opening season one could see the logic in that, and at the time "B:TAS" was very expensive to produce. Things also got eclectic with "SUPERMAN: TAS" on Kid's WB in the late 90's. Season 1 had 13 episodes; Season 2 had 28 episodes, Season 3 had 10 episodes and the 4th season only had 3 episodes (and one of them was another crossover with Batman). At the time of course, Bruce Timm & company were also producing "BATMAN BEYOND" which took some priority. Regardless of this, I sincerely doubt CN & WB are going to bother with a third season of YJ unless it isn't for at least another 10-20 episodes. A third season of 19 episodes would allow them to hit 65 for syndication while still being able to tell shareholders that since it's an episode shorter, costs are down.

While I am at it, while at times many unresolved or underutilized subplots from the "Timmverse" were criticized here, for my money the one I thought was dumb to abandon was the angle of Lois Lane knowing that Batman was Bruce Wayne. During the "WORLD'S FINEST" three part story for a recap, Joker steals a Kryptonite statue and offers to kill Superman for a $1 billion payday, which Luthor more or less accepts before attempting to double-cross Joker and winds up paying for it. Batman winds up coming to Gotham and dates Lois as Bruce Wayne, and as Batman saves her from some of Luthor's attack robots that Joker reprogrammed; during that battle his mask is removed briefly. In "S:TAS" Lois decided to literally scrap what would surely be the story of the century due to moral integrity (since because while Batman usually creeped her out, he did save her life and was Superman's ally). When Superman's subplots started to seep into "JUSTICE LEAGUE/JLU" which included some guest spots by Lois, that was the time to maybe do something with that subplot, but nada. What a waste.

Cripes, what a tangent.

[Asgard]

Is there a new episode on Saturday?

[craigdbfan]

Nope. Not until September.

[Gold Samurai]

Originally Posted by Dread

The odd thing to me is that in terms of TV syndication, the "magic number" of episodes to ensure decent syndication time is 52-65 episodes. Shows that had that many episodes usually linger on TV for a long time.


Historically, WB has been at times willing to pay for brief seasons of certain shows.

Without a toyline to support the show in various funding, I do expect WB will pitch in a little.

I give Young Justice 65 episodes before it's cancelled.


-Avengers: EMH is getting cancelled

-Ultimate Spider-man will likely conclude after season 2

-Young Justice will probably be the last to go.


It seems like such a short time for these series but in a business sense they will have been on air for quite a while.

The cartoon landscape is constantly changing.

[ThePhantasm]

Originally Posted by craigdbfan

Nope. Not until September.

What? The hiatus lasts until September?

That really sucks.

[craigdbfan]

Pretty sure, yeah.

Even worse is that it's looking sort of grim for a 3rd season.

[Young Superman]

I hope they don't cancel the show because of the new Teen Titans Go! cartoon coming in 2013.

[Gold Samurai]

As said before, if we don't see or hear anything about showing up at comic con chances are that the show is done

[Sawyer]

CN has a chance here to avoid making a decision as stupid as the ones Disney has just made. They better take it.

New TT looks like ****. YJ is great. Don't you **** this up, CN.

[Webhead2006]

Sept isn't that long of a break when you look at how long break in season one was, and how many new episodes we aired before this break.

As for its pickup as many others have said if nothing by end of summer its not good. But who knows what's going on with the cn/wb/dc execs.

[Lencho01]

Sunday, June 15th...

http://collider.com/comic-con-2012-s...e-wars/174871/

WB PANEL: DC Nation Screening and Q&A
The Nation is coming to San Diego! DC Nation — Cartoon Network’s one-hour action and comedy programming block starring some of the most beloved and legendary heroes of the DC Universe — will make its first-ever Comic-Con appearance. In addition to exclusive video content for fan-favorite series Green Lantern: The Animated Series and Young Justice, the panel will also present sneak peeks at two highly anticipated upcoming DC Nation series: Beware The Batman and Teen Titans Go! The panel of super hero goodness will feature top animation producers Glen Murakami (Teen Titans), Mitch Watson (Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated), Michael Jelenic (ThunderCats), Aaron Horvath (MAD) and Jeff Prezenkowski, director of series and shorts at Warner Bros. Animation. Room 6BCF