Imagine it with Cillian Murphy as Bruce and Guy Peace as Ras

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by doobie

I read a good analysis of BB that said every other male character in the film is an older father figure who teaches Bruce something (even villains like Falcone), wheras as a younger man Crane represents the future of what Batman will face, IE crazy freaks replacing old fashioned mobsters.

So what did Bruce learn from Mr. Earle?

[FigsNFilms]

Originally Posted by The Joker

Cillian Murphy is not Batman material. He doesn't even fit comic book Crane's profile who is an older uglier man.

Crane's look in the comics is not what makes the essence of the character though. In fact I feel Nolan's re-interpretation and backstory makes much more sense, and isn't as bland.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Crane's look in the comics is not what makes the essence of the character though.

Irrelevant. An older more mature Crane would not have made any difference to the story of the movie.

In fact I feel Nolan's re-interpretation and backstory makes much more sense, and isn't as bland.

What re-interpretation? A crazy doctor who's a lackey kept in the dark by the League of Shadows about their real plans? That is more exciting to you?

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by The Joker

To me it is.

Unfortunate.

Crane works better as an ugly creepy older guy. It fits in with his Scarecrow persona.

Nope.

Why? Why did Crane need to be a handsome young man?

Because villains should be just as gorgeous as their heroic counterparts

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Nope.

What a compelling argument. You missed your calling on a debate team.

Because villains should be just as gorgeous as their heroic counterparts

And you have officially destroyed all credibility with that remark.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by The Joker

What a compelling argument. You missed your calling on a debate team.



And you have officially destroyed all credibility with that remark.

The fact that you thought I had ANY if it all credibility makes me appreciate you - thanks friend

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

The fact that you thought I had ANY if it all credibility makes me appreciate you - thanks friend

My pleasure. It's just the kind of guy I am. I credit everyone with some credibility in their opinions until they prove otherwise.

[Captain_Obvious]

In all seriousness though - I appreciate Cillian in the movie but wish (like many others) that he was shown more.

He may be a pretty face but for me he really did get me excited about the character again. As a previous poster pointed out, the fact that he IS good looking makes his dynamic as a villain a bit more interesting and creepy for others.

I just love that Nolan has a crush on the guys eyes lol.

[raybia]

Originally Posted by doobie

Just imagine it..I mean it. Visualize it for the next 2 and a half hours playing the movie in your head with those roles...then get back to me and tell me if it worked.

I think Murphy would have been a good Bruce, he definately would have been creepier and taken the haggard Bruce in TDK to a new level of scaryness.

I imagined it...and I threw up. Please don't ask this again.

[Cannikin]

Throughout the Matrix films, I couldn't look at Smith without seeing his character from "Priscilla". I have the same problem with Terrance Stamp now when I watch Superman II. I REALLY don't want Guy Pierce playing any character I have to take seriously. Really, once I've seen you in drag, I'll never see you as masculine again.

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by doobie

Just imagine it..I mean it. Visualize it for the next 2 and a half hours playing the movie in your head with those roles...then get back to me and tell me if it worked.

I think Murphy would have been a good Bruce, he definately would have been creepier and taken the haggard Bruce in TDK to a new level of scaryness.

I wonder....why would someone think of this?

Then I looked at your name....too many of those in one day, huh?

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by The Joker

So what did Bruce learn from Mr. Earle?

How to....not be a selfish old punk? Lol.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

How to....not be a selfish old punk? Lol.

A valuable lesson then

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

Crane's look in the comics is not what makes the essence of the character though.

Yes, it is. It's his looks what made him a resentful person.

Originally Posted by FigsNFilms

In fact I feel Nolan's re-interpretation and backstory makes much more sense, and isn't as bland.

All the re-interpretation is that: 1) his outfit is just a mask, 2) he can be defeated by a common girl. In comics he has fought Batman back.

[Anno_Domini]

Didn't he fight back because of his gas though? Has Scarecrow ever gone up against Batman WITHOUT the gas? If no, then it's logical that Dawes was able to "defeat" him with a taser.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Didn't he fight back because of his gas though? Has Scarecrow ever gone up against Batman WITHOUT the gas? If no, then it's logical that Dawes was able to "defeat" him with a taser.

There's no logical reason to depict a valuable villain as so incompetent we don't even need Batman to defeat him. What's the point for the story? Gotham doesn't actually need Batman but more regular girls with tasers?

[spideymouse]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

There's no logical reason to depict a valuable villain as so incompetent we don't even need Batman to defeat him. What's the point for the story? Gotham doesn't actually need Batman but more regular girls with tasers?

I always took it that Batman had already defeated him when he gave Crane his own concentrated fear toxin at Arkham. By the time he faced Dawes, she had been inoculated and he was fully drugged and quite impaired. (Though somehow he was able to get on a horse? Iunno. =P)

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by The Joker

So what did Bruce learn from Mr. Earle?

To send faxes properly.

Originally Posted by spideymouse

I always took it that Batman had already defeated him when he gave Crane his own concentrated fear toxin at Arkham. By the time he faced Dawes, she had been inoculated and he was fully drugged and quite impaired. (Though somehow he was able to get on a horse? Iunno. =P)

Well, as you see, he wasn't defeated. In fact he took the whole movie to become the Scarecrow. And he lasted good 5 seconds...

[Anno_Domini]

Was he truly defeated by a woman with a taser though? Didn't he escape and Batman had to still be the one to bring him down in the sequel?

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Was he truly defeated by a woman with a taser though? Didn't he escape and Batman had to still be the one to bring him down in the sequel?

Yeah, he was truly defeated by a girl and a taser. He was unable to keep terrorizing people. And he escaped only because he was unable to control his horse while screaming like a school girl.

And oh, his great comeback in the sequel. What an epic and triumphant apparition it was, wasn't it? It makes you think that all the fool he made of himself was worth the while. But no, it was actually more unfortunate than in the first movie.

[KalMart]

And now he's working for the felafel guy.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by KalMart

And now he's working for the felafel guy.

And Falafel Guy is probably slapping him time and time again because he doesn't sell falafels right. "Do you want my daughter to taser you???" And Crane cries.

[KalMart]

He's the Wile E. Coyote of this generation's Batman.

[Fudgie]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

There's no logical reason to depict a valuable villain as so incompetent we don't even need Batman to defeat him. What's the point for the story? Gotham doesn't actually need Batman but more regular girls with tasers?

I know right. Scarecrow got bad treatment in this. He hardly wears his mask and the first full scene where he keeps it on for longer than 10 seconds and he gets a taser in the face from Mrs. Tom Cruise.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

Yeah, he was truly defeated by a girl and a taser. He was unable to keep terrorizing people. And he escaped only because he was unable to control his horse while screaming like a school girl.

That was a woefully bad way to bow out a Batman villain.