Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party XII

[Thundercrack85]

Originally Posted by SV Fan

I think it's Obama is bad at (fill in the particular issue), I can do better

or

Obama is the worst President ever on (fill in the particular issue), I can do better

"I'm Better" is kind of catchy.

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

"I'm Better" is kind of catchy.

It's almost comical how any question Romney gets about any particular policy he seems to give the same generic answer. I am surprised more people don't call him out on it

[Thundercrack85]

Yes, but all politicians are like that.

They give generic, pre-programmed answers.

The reason they don't talk about specifics, is because there are no specifics. All you have to do is say something vague with confidence.

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, Obama's 2008 campaign was filled with nothing but vague promises of hope and change. He intentionally avoided specifics, particularly during the Democratic primaries.

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Yeah, Obama's 2008 campaign was filled with nothing but vague promises of hope and change. He intentionally avoided specifics, particularly during the Democratic primaries.

Actually in the primaries I remember him promising to go after lobbyists, then he toned down that rhetoric in the general election, then he hired a bunch of lobbyists to fill his cabinet.

Don't get me wrong Hope and Change was rather baseless campaign promises, but I do think Romney takes having a baseless campaign to the next level(mainly because he can't really give good speeches to cover up the fact what he says is baseless).

I actually do think Obama this time does have a more issue oriented campaign at least throwing out a few ideas(basically increase taxes on the rich to create more jobs)

[wiegeabo]

Originally Posted by SV Fan

I think it's Obama is bad at (fill in the particular issue), I can do better

or

Obama is the worst President ever on (fill in the particular issue), I can do better

Without actually saying how he can do better.

Pretty much all Romney does is say we need leadership, and have his bus honk Obama rallies.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by SV Fan

Don't get me wrong Hope and Change was rather baseless campaign promises, but I do think Romney takes having a baseless campaign to the next level(mainly because he can't really give good speeches to cover up the fact what he says is baseless).

Yeah, Romney kinda does.

[Thundercrack85]

But don't they all run on change? Nobody runs on "let's keep the status quo". At least not since the Roaring Twenties. And we all know how those ended.

[hippie_hunter]

But Romney really does need to put out some kind of plan. While his campaign relied primarily on fluff and stuff, at least Obama put out a few tid bits here and there.

[Thundercrack85]

Wouldn't his plan essentially be the same as Bush's?

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

Wouldn't his plan essentially be the same as Bush's?

Not really. Economically, the Republican Party has turned more libertarian than the Bush Administration was. I think that in order to appease the base you wouldn't be seeing Romney doing things that Bush did at the end of his term.

[Malice]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Not really. Economically, the Republican Party has turned more libertarian than the Bush Administration was. I think that in order to appease the base you wouldn't be seeing Romney doing things that Bush did at the end of his term.

Greetings Hippie.

I would agree. The question is, can a freaking politician actually not lie on what they plan on doing.

Every president has blatantly lied on many things each election.
I would love to see one that simply states THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO....BUT WILL SEE IF I CAN.

[Franklin Richards]

Romney will do whatever he's told.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Malice

Greetings Hippie.

I would agree. The question is, can a freaking politician actually not lie on what they plan on doing.

Every president has blatantly lied on many things each election.
I would love to see one that simply states THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO....BUT WILL SEE IF I CAN.

The way I see it, Romney will be so fearful of a serious primary challenge if he wins in 2016 that he'll do as what Petunia says, he'll do what he's told by his donors and the Republican base. So things like Medicare Part D, the bailouts, the temporary nationalizations, etc. probably aren't going to happen under the Romney Administration.

[Marx]

Originally Posted by SV Fan

Romney's main problem(more then the flip flopping) is he has no platform other then Obama sucks I can do better. There is absolutely no substance behind what he says and unless he comes out with what exactly he will do to make him better then Obama people will catch on to the fact his statements are rather hollow

Romney definitely takes smarmyness and sleaze to a whole new level. Does every political candidate offer vague promises and lie? Yeah, but Romney has literally been on every side of every issue. Not to mention, he has yet to say what he would actually do in this election cycle. All he can seem to muster up is "Obama sucks, elect me".

[Webfoot Hero]

Originally Posted by Marx

Romney definitely takes smarmyness and sleaze to a whole new level. Does every political candidate offer vague promises and lie? Yeah, but Romney has literally been on every side of every issue. Not to mention, he has yet to say what he would actually do in this election cycle. All he can seem to muster up is "Obama sucks, elect me".

Candidates usually wait until the party convention to release the full platform they're running on so it's not really that big of a deal. The best thing that Mitt Romney can do right now is get his ground game in place since that will really help get the message out once the campaigning starts hard and heavy.

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Economically, the Republican Party has turned more libertarian than the Bush Administration was.

Sadly they haven't gone libertarian on social issues(infact they gone to the opposite extreme)

[rowan sjet]

The 2012 Platform of the Texas Republican Party? Literally insane.

Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.

:wtf:

[Thundercrack85]

Forget that, try this line.

"Teaching of a multicultural curriculum is divisive"

“Corporal punishment is effective and legal in Texas"

I can only thank God I never went to school in Texas.

And these are the people who choose the text books? That explains a lot actually.

Apparently they also oppose the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.

...Wow.

[Franklin Richards]

I went to public school in Texas. Let's ask the Conservative Hypers if it effected me in any way?

[bell110]

Policitians give vague answer because the more specific you get, the more they can be picked apart. Romney can't say how he would fix health care because it would be compared and contrasted against Obamacare (which was ironically based off of Romneycare). Actually, I did hear he point to three things a health care law should have, and incidently, all three things are in Obamacare.

As for whether or not Romney will be like Bush, as I've said before, Republicans only say they will cut spending. They don't really do it, at least not substantially. And all Republican voters say they want spending cuts... until what is cut affects them, then they cry that that spending was justified. So if Republicans really did cut anything, come election time, those voters that were hit will swing the other way, especially moderates and independents.

[DACrowe]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack85

Yes, but all politicians are like that.

They give generic, pre-programmed answers.

The reason they don't talk about specifics, is because there are no specifics. All you have to do is say something vague with confidence.

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Yeah, Obama's 2008 campaign was filled with nothing but vague promises of hope and change. He intentionally avoided specifics, particularly during the Democratic primaries.

But here's the thing. I could tell you what Obama's platform was on healthcare (and how it was different from his actual policy ), as well as his positions and stated goals on Iraq, Afghanistan, Bin Laden, Gitmo, Don't Ask Don't Tell, Torture, Bush Tax Cuts, Education and Climate Change.

Some of those promises he fulfilled, some of those promises he didn't, and some he kind-of-did-kind-of-not. But they were a set out set of goals. Here's all I can say about Mitt Romney's entire pitch thus far in the general election:

"Obama is bad at [insert issue] and I can do better. Oh and btw, I'll repeal Obamacare and replace it with something that has all the same benefits but no costs!"

After 3 1/2 months of Romney being the presumptive nominee that's not a whole lot. But it's worked for him so far. I guess we could look at what he promised in the primary, but his staff has already admitted that's an etch-a-sketch set of issues he's already erased. All he really says he wants to be president and will do better. No specifics, at the moment.

[SV Fan]

Originally Posted by DACrowe

After 3 1/2 months of Romney being the presumptive nominee that's not a whole lot. But it's worked for him so far. I guess we could look at what he promised in the primary, but his staff has already admitted that's an etch-a-sketch set of issues he's already erased. All he really says he wants to be president and will do better. No specifics, at the moment.

I love Romney's stance of Mexican's self deporting themselves(until he comes up with a plan for illegal immigration i will assume he stands by that). lol

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by DACrowe

"Obama is bad at [insert issue] and I can do better. Oh and btw, I'll repeal Obamacare and replace it with something that has all the same benefits but no costs!"

Obama: "Bush was bad at [insert issue], and its [insert issue] all his fault, and if I don't make it better I'll be a one-term President...AND, I'll close Gitmo....AND, my administration will be the most transparent in history, and ooooh yeah...."hope and change".

I fell for that with Obama, not going to fall for it with Romney.

I'll be voting for Obama again, better to know the King I got, than a King I know nothing about......

Obama can then own the good and bad.... : )

[DACrowe]

I didn't say he kept all his campaign promises, but at least you knew what they were.

I actually think Obama's done pretty decent in keeping a number of his main campaign promises, some I agree with (ending DADT, getting us out of Iraq, passing HCR, though it had the individual mandate he said it wouldn't) and some I don't (redoubling efforts in Afghanistan, not punishing the banks, etc.).

I'm not saying Obama kept all his promises, though. I just want to know what Romney plans to do besides repealing Obamacare. we've known since 2010 that will be a week 1 goal of any Republican if they managed to win in 2012. The rest though is incredibly vague.