The Amazing Spider-Man v.2 - Part 3

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[Spider-Gnome]

Originally Posted by runawayboulder

I posted this over in the Spider-Man comics forum but since not many people pay attention to that area of the Hype sometimes, I'll post it here in the official ASM thread too.

:facepalm:

We lose the Spectacular Spider-Man show for that abomination Ultimate Spider-Man.

We're getting a re-boot of the cinematic Spider-Man and instead of going with a really fun faithful adaptation like The Avengers, it looks like their going "dark & gritty" and further away from the source material than the Raimi films.

But, Dan Slott has managed to restore Spidey comics to greatness after the utter mess of that was One More Day/Brand New Day/One Moment In Time crapfest!

So now there are plans for the Spider-Man comics that will "break the internet in half?"

:facepalm:


Seriously, it's like someone is saying, "Hey, you're pushing 50, stop being a fan of Spider-Man!" :csad:

[Young Superman]

I am so happy the cinematic Spider-Man has his mechanical web-shooters this time around. I never really liked the organic webbing that much. Too me it takes away from Peter Parker as a scientist.

[runawayboulder]

So we now know who Alpha is from the teasers. Marvel announced this morning that he's Spider-Man's new sidekick.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=39400

[Spider-Nerd]

Eh, I've always preferred Pete as a loner with the occasional team up. I'm not averse to a sidekick though. If he's an interesting character he'll go off on his own after a few years and *POOF*, Marvel will have a new character they can sell.

Then again they could just make him a clone of wolverine.

[runawayboulder]

Since they're bringing in a teen character, I guess that lessens the chance of a Peter/Miles universe swap (THANK GOD).

[Spider-Nerd]

Miles is a great character. Swap him out to another part of the UMU. Bring back ultimate pete and mindwipe everyone from knowing his identity. It'll happen 2/3 years down the line, might as well as do it now.

[Wolfwood]

I'm gonna guess that they'll have a falling out and then a big battle royale.

[runawayboulder]

The full preview for ASM #692 is up:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...eview&id=12829

[Dangerman]

This is BS so Spider-Man is grown-up enough to have a side kick but not to have his frail 90 year old aunt die or not grown-up enough to stay married to Mary Jane. This is why I will not pick up another Marvel comic till they undo OMD.

[JewishHobbit]

Yeah, my first thought was the same... sorta. He'd be aged much to much if he were divorced, and yet, he's a grown matured man who can have a sidekick? I know Slott doesn't want Peter married again but maybe Alonso's willing to repave that route down the road when a writer comes along who WANTS Peter and MJ's marriage fixed.

That said, I really am interested in Peter as a sidekick. I'm trying to cut as much as possible but if I manage to get my buying down enough I MIGHT just try this out. I doubt it, as it's $8 a month and I don't see myself cutting 2-3 more comics before this comes out, but we'll see.

[runawayboulder]

This could all be building to a OMD reversal but it's hard to say. Ever since Big Time, Pete has been treated more like an adult, more so since BND.

It seems that with Alpha being introduced now, he's going to have a role to play in the major events coming soon in ASM 700.

[Shockdingo]

Hmm, could be awesome if done right. The recent tales have all been about Pete growing up, so why not this angle?

[stillanerd]

I'll admit that this does have the makings of an entertaining story and the idea of Peter believing it's his responsibility to set this kid on the straight and narrow--particularly if he believes he was the cause of this kid getting powers in the first place--makes sense. Also, it's not like Spidey hasn't been a mentor for other potential heroes in the past like Prowler, Black Cat, Darkhawk, Mattie Franklin, Anya Corazon, etc. That being said, doesn't this very idea not only run contrary to what Spider-Man was originally created to be but also go against what Marvel themselves have been trying to convince fans about Spider-Man for the past five years?

The reason why kid sidekicks were created in comics was to give young people someone they can identify with and feel as if they were working alongside the superhero they looked up to. That's why we had Robin for Batman, Bucky for Captain America, Speedy for Green Arrow, Kid Flash for Flash and the like. But the idea when Stan Lee created Spidey was "Why does a young person have to be a sidekick? Why can't they be the hero for once?" In theory, Spider-Man already does what the sidekick is supposed to do, just without him working for a "big brother" or "father-figure" to another superhero. To give Spidey a kid sidekick is not only counter-productive but also superfluous.

Also, Tom Brevoort, as part of his counter against folks who were against their decision to retcon away his marriage, has stated over and over that "Spider-Man is about youth." Others have stated that Spidey couldn't be married because that made him seem "too old," or that he couldn't have a teaching job because that, too, made him "too old." But now, with Axel Alonso saying that "Spider-Man is grown up," Marvel is basically admitting that the whole "Spider-Man is about youth" defense was complete BS. Because now they're saying that he's "too old" to the point they have to create a kid sidekick for the young people to identify with instead.

[Themanofbat]

If Spider-Man is about "youth", what's more youthful than having a teenaged side-kick?

[WolfCypher]

Sorry, the responisbility of taking care of a youth? That dates Peter.

Like having a baby

[Themanofbat]

Originally Posted by WolfCypher

Sorry, the responisbility of taking care of a youth? That dates Peter.

Maybe... but if Peter was responsible for giving this kid his powers ala crazy experiment gone wrong, I can see Peter feeling responsible for this kid, and seeing he had no one when he was a teen... it makes sense.

It does give Peter a more mature look though...

[stillanerd]

Originally Posted by Themanofbat

Maybe... but if Peter was responsible for giving this kid his powers ala crazy experiment gone wrong, I can see Peter feeling responsible for this kid, and seeing he had no one when he was a teen... it makes sense.

It does give Peter a more mature look though...

Oh, like I said, TMOB, I think based on the premise, it would be in character for Peter to want to try and mentor this new kid, to make sure he goes on the straight and narrow path and not do the same mistakes he did. That's fine for like a story arc or two. But to make Alpha an ongoing sidekick for him I think is where I have real misgivings about it. And again, if Spidey being married, or being a high school teacher, or having a baby "ages the character"--which was one of the justifications for why One More Day had to happen--doesn't giving Spidey a kid sidekick to constantly babysit also "age the character?"

[JewishHobbit]

Originally Posted by stillanerd

Oh, like I said, TMOB, I think based on the premise, it would be in character for Peter to want to try and mentor this new kid, to make sure he goes on the straight and narrow path and not do the same mistakes he did. That's fine for like a story arc or two. But to make Alpha an ongoing sidekick for him I think is where I have real misgivings about it. And again, if Spidey being married, or being a high school teacher, or having a baby "ages the character"--which was one of the justifications for why One More Day had to happen--doesn't giving Spidey a kid sidekick to constantly babysit also "age the character?"

Yes it does without question. The only reason why I'm not jumping up and down in arms shouting hypocrisy is because Axel was the one who said he was matured and not Quesada.

Seeing signs of a matured Peter though does make me more interested. It's the first time since OMD that it's actually caught my eye. I've tried to read it several times because I missed the character, not because of anything in the book that caught my eye. This time I'm interested. But again, at $8 a month I doubt I'll be able to afford it.

[WolfCypher]

Anybody else read the newest ASM or Spider-Men? For the jaded guy that I am, I actually enjoyed both issues, even with their faults.

This is the 1st ASM issue I've enjoyed since Spider-Island ended and the 1st I read since I stopped after the Vulture two-parter.

[runawayboulder]

I could care less about that Spider-Men crapola but ASM was a pretty solid transition issue from EOTE to the Lizard story. I didn't think that the jump back in forth in time was necessary for the storytelling but overall, I thought it was another great issue. The art team of Camuncoli and Janson are pretty excellent combo.

[GammaAzazel]

Originally Posted by runawayboulder

I could care less about that Spider-Men crapola but ASM was a pretty solid transition issue from EOTE to the Lizard story. I didn't think that the jump back in forth in time was necessary for the storytelling but overall, I thought it was another great issue. The art team of Camuncoli and Janson are pretty excellent combo.

I agree with the transition. I insanely enjoyed this new issue. I am really excited for the next issue to see where they take this. The art was absolutely amazing.

I'm really looking forward to Spideys Side kick.

I don't agree with the Spider-men being crapola. I don't like what they're doing with Peter's Personality, he seems off, but I do like what's happening with Miles. I do enjoy Miles as a character.

[Dread]

Originally Posted by runawayboulder

The full preview for ASM #692 is up:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...eview&id=12829

I'm of two minds about this.

On the first it could be an interesting story. There have been teenage heroes who wanted to be Spidey's sidekick in the past - Spider-Kid/Silver Spider and Frog-Man for instance - only in those cases Spider-Man ditched them. So having him go in the other direction with a new kid hero could at least showcase some of that "responsibility" thing.

On the other hand, it is a bit absurd that being married with a kid (or having lost a child to "stillbirth") aged Spidey too much, but a teenage sidekick doesn't. To a degree this isn't exactly Marvel's fault; Bruce Wayne in the New 52 can have no end of sidekicks (up to 5) without needing to settle down with any woman. So I guess the message is that a male hero can still be youthful even if he has some sort of "child" figure in their life, but only if there's no "mother" figure to share that role.

Then again, if I was surprised every time Marvel flip-flopped on something they once preached to the heavens about, I'd be eternally surprised. After years of saying there'd never be an Ultimate/616 crossover, and now they're selling it.

In the short term I still figure Slott will make it a solid story. And there's no telling how long or short it'll last.

One question...aside for the metaphor of a similar origin for a new character, if they wanted to have Spidey be a mentor, why not include Anya Corazon/Spider-Girl more often?

[Dan_Slott]

Originally Posted by Dangerman

This is BS so Spider-Man is grown-up enough to have a side kick but not to have his frail 90 year old aunt die or not grown-up enough to stay married to Mary Jane.

Read the story first.

Originally Posted by Dangerman

This is why I will not pick up another Marvel comic till they undo OMD.

Orrrrrr don't.

But if you do, I think you'll find that none of your opening rant applies.