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Old 06-30-2012, 11:05 PM   #176
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I would have chosen Maggie over Holmes anyday. She's obviously a better actress,but for some strange reason I find her rather cute. I've just never been into Katie Holmes that much,either as a pretty face or an actress.
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:10 AM   #177
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Default Re: Do you wish Katie was in TDK, or do you wish Maggie was in BB?

This is a hard question. I liked both of them. Holmes was perfect as Bruce's childhood friend who had to give him a kick in the rump every now and then in BB. She was meant to be a little childish, I think, because she was supposed to represent the innocence that Bruce had lost, the innocence that he wants to have again, in the form of a normal life.

Maggie, on the older hand, was perfect as the mature, experienced DA. It's almost like she and Holmes played two completely different characters.

Truth be told, I don't think either of them would've been as successful playing the other's role. So, that said, I wouldn't change anything. I'd keep it as it happened. Or I'd just find a different actress entirely.

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Old 07-01-2012, 02:44 PM   #178
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:43 AM   #179
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I personally would have preferred Katie in both, in terms of acting Maggie is better and Katie would have probably had a bit of a fight with some of the scenes in TDK.. all the same I still prefer Katie.

Admittedly Katie would have come off just as shrill and annoying as Maggie did, it wouldnt be the fault of either actress as much as it is a function of where the character is at that point of the storyline.

In Batman Begins its all about the relationship between her and Bruce and we like her because she is pulling for Bruce like the rest of the audience.

In TDK she is mixed with her feeling for Bruce and Dent, her indecision makes her come off as annoying (Mary Jane was equally annoying in Spiderman 2 because of this). Later in the story she chooses Harvey, her love for him leads to some of her irrational behavior and lack of faith/anger towards batman/bruce. Again she comes off as annoying because she's no longer pulling with Bruce, its just an effect of her overall character arc.. All things considered i'd still rather have Katie.
I agree. I think I prefer the concept of Rachel Dawes as opposed to the how her character was handled. I feel she's the one misfire of the Nolan saga, though its not so bad that it ruins it. I guess I wish that she was a bit more independent , and had alot more charm ala Andrea Beaumount from MTOP sans the costume. I just couldn't see why Bruce would be so in love with her, aside from the writers telling us that he was. She never seemed to be that interesting a character. Hopefully Miranda Tate will be better.

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Old 07-02-2012, 10:46 AM   #180
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Maggie should have been used from the start. She has more acting talent in her little finger than Holmes has in her whole feeble career.

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Old 07-08-2012, 07:43 PM   #181
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Neither.
I dislike the character that is Rachel Dawes.
I dislike Holmes' lack of talent and Maggie's lack of pretty.
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Woulda been cool with me if we had Leslie Thompkins as the token nagging female.

But Nolan would've killed Thompkins off anyway so I'd be super pissed, perhaps it was for the best

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Old 07-27-2012, 12:16 AM   #182
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Considering they blew Rachel Dawes away, they should've just kept Katie Holmes.


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Old 07-27-2012, 12:26 AM   #183
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I think Katie dropped out, didn't she? If so, that's too bad. She missed out on getting killed off, seeing all that box office moolah, and then appearing in a photo frame

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Old 07-27-2012, 07:03 PM   #184
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I think it was that Katie was pulled out by Tom and her Scientology minders... That is to say, that's what I remember hearing in my completely unmalicious recollection of things.

And instead made Mad Money or some other piece of crap film with a title like that...

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Old 07-28-2012, 06:21 AM   #185
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I don't know why people prefered Maggie so much, I found her really unlikeable in TDK she comes across really pretty snotty and up on herself, like with the 'Bruce Wayne, Fancy That', hate that delivery. In BB Katie seemed a lot more of a likeable person for that character.

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Old 07-28-2012, 10:02 AM   #186
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I found her more likable than Katie, who spent 90% of Begins chastising Bruce about his behavior. She couldn't even bring him a birthday gift without making a snide remark; "You enjoy your party, Bruce. Some of us have work to do".

Not to mention she's a bad actress.

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Old 07-28-2012, 11:04 AM   #187
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Yeah. Rachel was a megaton ***** in BB.

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Old 07-28-2012, 11:21 AM   #188
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I rather if Katie was in TDK because I don't like recast.

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Old 07-28-2012, 11:25 AM   #189
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Yeah. Rachel was a megaton ***** in BB.
Thats what I thought about Maggie in TDK

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Old 07-28-2012, 01:33 PM   #190
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I thought Katie did fine in BB. Not a great actress, but not a real multi-faceted role either...typical Nolan handling of female characters. Rachel's role in TDK was non-existent, limited to a two-minute scene with Bruce. Was a total waste, she may as well have been a cardboard cutout. The folks saying Maggie was better make me giggle. In what way? She barely did anything. Its not her fault, just a poorly conceived part in that story.

Having said all that, I'd prefer Katie, based solely on the fact that it is distracting to see a different actress. When she is addressed as Rachel in TDK I think to myself "that's not Rachel". And when she dies, the impact is non-existent, not only because you never real care about the character in the first place, but because what little credit she'd built with me in BB disappeared when a different woman showed up in her place. Just a bad deal all around.

I'm pretty sure that Tom Cruise refused to let Katie participate once Aaron Eckhart was cast. He was jealous over the steamy scenes they had together in Thank You For Smoking. Sounds silly, but I did read that somewhere and I'll bet that's exactly what happened.

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Old 07-28-2012, 01:36 PM   #191
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Thats what I thought about Maggie in TDK
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:42 PM   #192
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Having said all that, I'd prefer Katie, based solely on the fact that it is distracting to see a different actress. When she is addressed as Rachel in TDK I think to myself "that's not Rachel". And when she dies, the impact is non-existent, not only because you never real care about the character in the first place, but because what little credit she'd built with me in BB disappeared when a different woman showed up in her place.
My thoughts exactly and one of two reasons why Rachels death had absolutely no impact on me, and Im a person who really, really gets into the movie

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I was kinda glad when she did get blown up it certainly sorted that continuity out!

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Old 07-28-2012, 01:49 PM   #194
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The Dawes character was unbearable. I can't see what Bruce saw in her, except for maybe some nostalgia. My main memory of the character is her standing there and rolling her eyes. When they blew her up I was relieved. I found the love triangle in TDK to be unusually cold, but maybe it was just me being unable to even like the woman involved.

Acting-wise, Maggie is a whole other league from Holmes, but again, she played the same nippy harpy.

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Old 07-28-2012, 01:51 PM   #195
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I liked her in BB, it was just Maggie's eye rolling attitude that put me off in TDK. But as far as her in BB, Ive no criticism.

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Old 07-28-2012, 01:55 PM   #196
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I liked her in BB, it was just Maggie's eye rolling attitude that put me off in TDK. But as far as her in BB, Ive no criticism.

http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/201...hel-dawes.html
Like Joker said, lines like "You enjoy your party, Bruce. Some of us have work to do" just put me off. Plus, I found Holmes to be generally quite bad.

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I liked her in BB, it was just Maggie's eye rolling attitude that put me off in TDK. But as far as her in BB, Ive no criticism.

http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/201...hel-dawes.html
I find it difficult to define what I dislike about Maggie, but like you say it's like these eye rolling mannerisms and attitude that doesn't fit. BB Rachel really was the one to open Bruce's eyes to the underworld of Gotham and how crossing the line of killing makes him no better than the criminals. Katie played her role fine in my opinion.

Great article too, thanks.


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Like Joker said, lines like "You enjoy your party, Bruce. Some of us have work to do" just put me off. Plus, I found Holmes to be generally quite bad.
Well, at this point he deserved it. From her POV he was having fun and drinking and going out with models while she was being chased by mob, looking for her boss and constantly in fight. She found his immature ignorance of the problems and real life offputting, yet she still came and wished him happy birthday, giving him a warm smile and a personal gift. And she said that right after she got a call about her boss missing

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Well, at this point he deserved it. From her POV he was having fun and drinking and going out with models while she was being chased by mob, looking for her boss and constantly in fight. She found his immature ignorance of the problems and real life offputting, yet she still came and wished him happy birthday, giving him a warm smile and a personal gift. And she said that right after she got a call about her boss missing
True, but I still found her qualities to be uneven, and as I said before, I didn't find that Holmes made the character endearing.

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Old 07-28-2012, 03:06 PM   #200
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I would rather have had another actress altogether, but between the two I'd prefer Holmes. Because let's face it, Maggie gave only a slightly better performance while looking a lot less attractive.

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