Should they make another Punisher movie? - Part 1

[Alexei Belyakov]

Originally Posted by Kable24

Forget it. He's to close minded to see your point of view. I would compare Stevenson to Nicholson, DeNiro or any of the greats, but the guy is a good actor and after seeing him in Outpost and especially Kill the Irishman, I think he is a great character actor.

Close-minded?

I just know TALENT when I see it.

But again, if Ray Stevenson is good then Channing Tatum is Oscar-worthy.

Tatum can at least do comedy. Stevenson was just terrible in Thor & The Other Guys and he barely had lines (facepalm).

I'll never understand why Punisher fans like him. Just 'cause he looks like the Bradstreet covers don't mean the guy can act.

[Whiskey Tango]

Originally Posted by Kable24

Forget it. He's to close minded to see your point of view. I would compare Stevenson to Nicholson, DeNiro or any of the greats, but the guy is a good actor and after seeing him in Outpost and especially Kill the Irishman, I think he is a great character actor.

Also Rome. But that would destroy the argument even further.

Some people think it's a legit tactic to pick one or two bad roles and claim someone is a poor actor based on those while ignoring everything else. You could do that with any actor.

Example of the NotLogic at work:

Tommy Lee Jones in Batman Forever?
Marlon Brando in Dr. Moreau?
Pacino in The Devil's Advocate?

Awful roles. conclusion = those guys must be terrible actors.

Absurd.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

Also Rome. But that would destroy the argument even further.

Some people think it's a legit tactic to pick one or two bad roles and claim someone is a poor actor based on those while ignoring everything else. You could do that with any actor.

Example of the NotLogic at work:

Tommy Lee Jones in Batman Forever?
Marlon Brando in Dr. Moreau?
Pacino in The Devil's Advocate?

Awful roles. conclusion = those guys must be terrible actors.

Absurd.

Right, because Stevenson garnered sooooo much praise from Rome.

[S. Grundy]

You know what one of the funniest things I keep reading about the 2004 film is? The hypothetical if Stevenson's Punisher fought the Russian, he would have brutally kicked his ass. Which the fanboys seem to forget that Stevenson Punisher got the **** kicked out of him by LBJ in his movie, a 50-year-old guy half his size.

Also, there's the fact that the Punisher will always get his ass kicked by the Russian, since that's how it played out in the comic.

[Whiskey Tango]

I never heard anyone try to claim that. I'd remember something that stupid for sure.

[Artistsean]

I'd prefer them to make it an actual TV show, based on the comic and not the idea they mentioned for the show recently/
Watching stuff like Burn Notice, Leverage, and other shows where the guys work outside the law reminds me of the Punisher. Only instead of coming up with an elaborate plan to bring this guy to justice he just goes in and shoots everyone. I could see it being like Burn Notice or Leverage where we see people talking to him about some crime committed against them and him punishing the criminals. I also see it being like Burn Notice and other shows where there can also be larger and more complicated over arcing stories. Like him working a whole season to take down the local crime family, and all the while episode after episode he also takes cases where its a small job and takes one episode to do.


My vision of the show. It starts with Frank's family already murdered, maybe we see snippets in the opening theme.
He is a vigilante, works outside the law and has no connection to the law. He is wanted by the cops, and taking on major jobs like attacking crime families, and each week he takes a smaller case like a man talks about how his brother was murdered by this guy but the cops can't prove it or something... like Burn Notice or Leverage but instead of elaborate plans he just attacks them head on. He wears all black and has a big white skull symbol on his chest to strike fear in criminals who see him coming and to spread his legend. One of the major story arcs could be the cops chasing Frank into a corner leaving Frank with no option how to get out alive. Another larger story could be Frank going after the Kingpin of Crime.

[Punisher_MAX]

Originally Posted by Artistsean

is it just me or does Frank really look like Dolph Lundgren?

[S. Grundy]

It's the hair, it looks about the same as Dolph's in the movie.

[Punisher_MAX]

i think i might be crazy but i wouldnt be opposed to having him as Frank again if they did a straight up MAX movie...Frank IS supposed to be around his age.

[Thundarr]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

Also Rome. But that would destroy the argument even further.

Some people think it's a legit tactic to pick one or two bad roles and claim someone is a poor actor based on those while ignoring everything else. You could do that with any actor.

Example of the NotLogic at work:

Tommy Lee Jones in Batman Forever?
Marlon Brando in Dr. Moreau?
Pacino in The Devil's Advocate?

Awful roles. conclusion = those guys must be terrible actors.

Absurd.

Agreed.

[Thundarr]

If they were to do an HBO TV series of The Punisher, and not that piece of crap that was proposed earlier on this thread but a proper adaptation, my vote for Frank would be Chris Maloni (from Law & Order: SVU). Good actor, looks a lot like Frank, and has done plenty of TV acting.

[Project862006]

Jon hamm should be frank in a tv series imo

[Steve Holt]

Jon Hamm being my first pick, i'd also be ok with Jeffery Dean Morgan

[SteveG]

Nah..I don't think another punisher movie would make all that much difference. I love the punisher...I just don't think another 'reboot' would make a difference.
Same thing with "ghost rider"..

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[Kable24]

I just don't get where people are seeing Jon Hamm as the Punisher.

[The Guard]

He's a bit of a throwback, and I suppose it has something to do with that, but I don't see it myself anymore. Hamm's kind of a quiet, unassuming intense, and I don't get the killer instinct/intensity vibe from him that a Batman or Punisher would need.

[Project862006]

well i think he looks like frank and is a damn good actor

i could easily see him as punisher he has that serious darker look imo

[Blackman]

Originally Posted by Project862006

well i think he looks like frank and is a damn good actor

i could easily see him as punisher he has that serious darker look imo

I dont see where people aren't seeing Hamm as the Punisher.

[Shockdingo]

Holy crap, that's an amazing image. I almost thought someone shopped it to make him look more "Punisher-y"

[S. Grundy]

Originally Posted by Kable24

I just don't get where people are seeing Jon Hamm as the Punisher.

He's a good actor and probably would be good in the part, but it's one of those things that will never happen. But fanboys will keep bringing it up, like the HBO series as if it is a new revelation.

Also, he's 6' and has black hair, and an actor that looks slightly like a character is all that is needed for fanboy fan castings. He could be the most wooden actor of out lifetime, he would get fancasted because of his size and hair.

[Kable24]

Originally Posted by Project862006

well i think he looks like frank and is a damn good actor

i could easily see him as punisher he has that serious darker look imo

Now from that I definitely would say he has the look of the Punisher. I just don't think he could play the Punisher. I haven't seen him in much other than Bridesmaids and that was a bit part.

[The Guard]

It isn't that he couldn't look the part. I just don't think his acting approach lends itself to Frank Castle.

[Red.Star.Killer]

The thing with casting is that it's boiled down to two things and that's can the actor play the part and how much the big wigs are willing to spend. And with three failed movie franchise attempts and the fact that most aren't even aware of there being a film before the 04 movie, I don't think Hamm would warrant the money to be seen as Frank, especially seeing as how he inked an eight figure salary deal with AMC/LionsGate for Mad Men (making him one of the highest paid actors on TV).

Same goes for Meloni. His net worth alone is the budget for the 04 film minus five million and minus seven from war zone. The best bet in all honesty would be Grillo. Not very well known, but has appeared in movies and held his own with some recognizable heavy weights and isn't expensive at all. That and he's actually an Italian New Yorker born & raised. He doesn't have to act in that regard, just on the important things that make frank (marine mentality and his reaction to an extremely tragic loss).

[Red.Star.Killer]

Originally Posted by Artistsean

I'd prefer them to make it an actual TV show, based on the comic and not the idea they mentioned for the show recently/
Watching stuff like Burn Notice, Leverage, and other shows where the guys work outside the law reminds me of the Punisher. Only instead of coming up with an elaborate plan to bring this guy to justice he just goes in and shoots everyone. I could see it being like Burn Notice or Leverage where we see people talking to him about some crime committed against them and him punishing the criminals. I also see it being like Burn Notice and other shows where there can also be larger and more complicated over arcing stories. Like him working a whole season to take down the local crime family, and all the while episode after episode he also takes cases where its a small job and takes one episode to do.


My vision of the show. It starts with Frank's family already murdered, maybe we see snippets in the opening theme.
He is a vigilante, works outside the law and has no connection to the law. He is wanted by the cops, and taking on major jobs like attacking crime families, and each week he takes a smaller case like a man talks about how his brother was murdered by this guy but the cops can't prove it or something... like Burn Notice or Leverage but instead of elaborate plans he just attacks them head on. He wears all black and has a big white skull symbol on his chest to strike fear in criminals who see him coming and to spread his legend. One of the major story arcs could be the cops chasing Frank into a corner leaving Frank with no option how to get out alive. Another larger story could be Frank going after the Kingpin of Crime.

This approach I like, save for the people coming to him part. Frank needs to be completely off grid, he's not a hero for hire type. The only way he should get info is from snitches trying to be useful instead of dead, police radios, police sympathizers, and dying scumbags trying to make a last minute plea.

[S. Grundy]

Apparently Tim Bradstreet is going to be debuting a new Punisher skull design at SDCC this week. Should be interesting.