By the Bristling Beard of Odin! The Thor Thread - Part 1

[runawayboulder]

Jurgens run is very underrated if you ask me.

[Splat]

And KG is off of JIM as of the Oct solicitations. If he's not put on Thor I'll be pissed. I'm bummed he's leaving JIM but he said he had a complete story he wanted to tell with Loki so hopefully he got the chance to finish it.

[runawayboulder]

Hopefully someone at Marvel realizes that Gillen is A+ when it comes to all things Asgardians. He could probably write that corner of Marvel for a decade if he wanted to.

[Lady Marion]

Quite dumb question here. I'm still missing the JMS run (2008). Can you guys advise these stories, are they good?

Thanks for your help.

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally Posted by Splat

And KG is off of JIM as of the Oct solicitations. If he's not put on Thor I'll be pissed. I'm bummed he's leaving JIM but he said he had a complete story he wanted to tell with Loki so hopefully he got the chance to finish it.

I'm cool with that. Like Incredible Hercules, if there's a finite story the creators want to tell, just let them do that and then let the comic end with some dignity. No one's expecting a series featuring Hercules or a child version of Loki to last forever like Amazing Spider-Man or Captain America or any of the other major characters' series. Marvel tried to pull blood from the stone with Herc after Pak and Van Lente's initial story idea concluded in Chaos War and it just wound up being soulless and a bit sad.

[Splat]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

I'm cool with that. Like Incredible Hercules, if there's a finite story the creators want to tell, just let them do that and then let the comic end with some dignity. No one's expecting a series featuring Hercules or a child version of Loki to last forever like Amazing Spider-Man or Captain America or any of the other major characters' series. Marvel tried to pull blood from the stone with Herc after Pak and Van Lente's initial story idea concluded in Chaos War and it just wound up being soulless and a bit sad.

Agreed and that a perfect example, I loved the Incredible Hercules but Herc bored me to tears. And Lady Marion the JMS run terrific, you should definitely check it out.

[Splat]

Jason Aaron and Esad Ribic are the new team on Thor. That'll work, thanks Marvel. I'm actually pretty stoked about it.

[Still A ThorFan]

Thank goodness. Fraction wore out his welcome.

[Thor The Mighty]

Perhaps there is hope after all.

[TheCorpulent1]

Aaron's never written anything like Thor, as far as I'm aware, so I'm a little concerned. He's a good writer and all, but something about Thor seems to make otherwise good writers trip up. Need proof? There's a guy called Warren Ellis whose work you may have heard of; but when it came to Thor, he wrote one of the series' worst runs of all time. So I'm reserving judgment on Aaron until we actually get a couple arcs into his run.

Ribic, on the other hand, I'm quite happy about. Blood Brothers looks gorgeous, and he's probably only gotten better since then.

[PinnyPed]

Hey Corp,

I liked Ellis's run. I'll admit the ending was nonsensical, but I thought the characterization was rather pithy. It was nice to see Thor with a brain, many writers just write him as a steroidal brick.

And, let's face it, nobody has had a run on Thor as bad as Fraction's.

[runawayboulder]

Ellis had his flaws on Thor sure but I didn't think it was that horrid back then and I don't think it's the worst Thor run ever.

The thing with Thor is he's had a LOT of good writers throughout the years. Simonson and DeFalco back to back then Jurgens later on and JMS and Gillen. So something mediocre can easily be mistake for s**t. There's some high standards for that book.

[Drz]

Jason Aaron on his Thor ideas:

Well, that speculation was exactly correct. Aaron and Ribic are indeed the team for Marvel's new Thor: God of Thunder series, starting in November as part of the publisher's Marvel NOW! relaunch. Fitting the Marvel NOW! mandate, the series takes place in established Marvel Universe continuity but also is intended to be a fresh start for new and lapsed readers. It's introducing a new villain — the ominously named "God Butcher" — who is set to plague Thor through three different eras.

Aaron: In part. I do flash back and show a young Thor in action, but he's actually just one of three Thors that I want to focus on. This first story is an epic tale that plays out over the course of thousands of years. So we spend time with young Thor in the Viking age — the young, hotheaded god of the Vikings, who loves to come down to Midgard and get into trouble.

In the present, we see Thor the Avenger on a journey that takes him to the far corners of space, interacting with all sorts of new space gods and wondrous new locations.

And then we also see old King Thor, who's the last king of Asgard, thousands of years in the future, where something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

Linking all these eras and Thors together is one villain, an all-new character, who is basically, at least initially, a serial killer of gods. He's a guy with a serious axe to grind against all immortal beings in the cosmos, and he's going around doing his best to kill them all off, one at a time, as brutally as possible. That villain's story unfolds over the course of all these different eras. He starts as a serial killer of gods, but by the end, he has become something even more frightening.

Nrama: That's "the God Butcher," correct?

Aaron: Yes. Gorr the God Butcher.

I can't help but to feel Aaron is once again inspired by Grant Morrison with this 3 different time eras for his Thor arc.

[runawayboulder]

Old King Thor.....sounds kinda cool. So does the concept of a serial killer of gods.

That cover is effin sweet too.

[mjdiddy1]

I guess the uniform is a super-crossover of the suit in the 70's-80's, Coipel's version, & the movie version (I recall seeing his arms in the movie but when he prepared for battle he armored up in the Coipel version in the movie).

[Panthro]

Looks like Thor's been hitting the steroids on that cover. Guess he's going to extremes after getting punked repeatedly in AVX.

The ideas sound interesting enough.

[Still A ThorFan]

I noticed for one of the most powerful heroes in the MU, Thor does get punked a lot. I wonder if that is done on purpose to make fun of us. I take it personal, lol. All jokes aside it has to stop. I wouldn't be surprised if they had Spiderman beat the Phoenix or something stupid like that.

[Panthro]

Originally Posted by Still A ThorFan

I noticed for one of the most powerful heroes in the MU, Thor does get punked a lot. I wonder if that is done on purpose to make fun of us. I take it personal, lol. All jokes aside it has to stop.

Agreed.

I wouldn't be surprised if they had Spiderman beat the Phoenix or something stupid like that.

Don't give them any ideas!

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally Posted by runawayboulder

Old King Thor.....sounds kinda cool. So does the concept of a serial killer of gods.

That cover is effin sweet too.

A serial killer of gods is a cool idea... as Desak proved 10 years ago. It kind of troubles me that Aaron sounds so proud of this "Gorr" idea yet is apparently oblivious to the fact that literally an identical character was already created by Dan Jurgens.

Other than that, though, his run sounds promising. He at least seems to recognize that Thor in the Viking era should be considerably different from Thor in the present, which gives him a leg up on Fraction right there.

The new costume's still terrible and Ribic doesn't make it look any better, but apparently we'll have two different versions in other eras to look at, so it's not too bad.

[Texas]

I'm pretty sure that he knows about Desak from Jurgen's run as he said that he has read than run.

This god killer sounds different as the story takes place past, present and future and from the name god killer (unlike Desak) he sounds truly evil.

[runawayboulder]

Yeah, I remember Desak a little but he wasn't he somebody's tool to manipulate the past/alternate possible future where Thor had conquered Earth? This guy that Aaron is bringing out sounds like more his own man with nothing controlling him but his hate.

Honestly, I looked at Desak as more of Thor's version of Doomsday than a serial killer. Since they were both by Jurgens I figure he might have been recycling an idea a little bit.

[Still A ThorFan]

Dan Jurgen's and Simonson were the only writers in my lifetime that really made Thor a bad ass. He displayed the power and might his fans (us) know him to have. Jurgens and Simonson wouldn't write a Thor story where the Hulk runs right through him.

[Fives]

Here's the new Thor #2 cover:


Also it's description:
Someone is murdering the gods of the Marvel Universe and with his own life at stake, Thor must step in to put an end to the mysterious God Butcher! From the blockbuster team of Jason Aaron & Esad Ribic, the Mighty Avenger will not only have to stop this destructive force in his own time, but in the past and future as well! This November in Thor: God of Thunder #2, the Odinson – with the help of his younger and older self – follow a trail of blood to save these ravaged worlds.

[Panthro]

Originally Posted by Still A ThorFan

Dan Jurgen's and Simonson were the only writers in my lifetime that really made Thor a bad ass. He displayed the power and might his fans (us) know him to have. Jurgens and Simonson wouldn't write a Thor story where the Hulk runs right through him.

Or have him get punked to the ridiculous extremes that AVX went to.

[herakles]

Originally Posted by Still A ThorFan

Dan Jurgen's and Simonson were the only writers in my lifetime that really made Thor a bad ass. He displayed the power and might his fans (us) know him to have. Jurgens and Simonson wouldn't write a Thor story where the Hulk runs right through him.

I agree! You also left Oeming. I LOVED the Ragnorok (Rune Thor) story.