All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - Part 11

[matrix_ghost]

Originally Posted by Project862006

well it was lol does he need to give you an insightful deep answer lol

LOL Exactly.
What kind of insightful answer would anyone else expect from such a question. I mean he gave some solid answers when asked why there are different dream levels or whatever the hell each state represents.

Seriously does anyone expect a kind of philosophical shakesperian answer from Nolan when asked why Catwoman is roundhouse kicking a thug ?

[Ita-KalEl]

It's impossible to make 2-3 "solo" sh movies before the JLA movie, there isn't enough time. GL can be reeboted inside the JLA movie like Hulk in the Avengers and Batman can be used (even with a different actor) without explanation (people will assume that he's the same Batman of Nolan's trilogy, even if with a different face under the mask).
The problem is Superman, you can recast him again.
IMO the priority would be a strong reference to a JLA movie in Man of Steel (a la "Iron Man"). They can't miss this opportunity, even if they must re-open the set to shoot a post-credit sequence.

At this point, only Wonder Woman deservs his own movie before JLA.

[sethypants]

Originally Posted by Bibs11

Interesting article I found on E! today...

http://www.eonline.com/news/328801/w...rss_topstories

**** off E!

Because Reeve's Superman doesn't wonder who he is or why he is, the citizens of Metropolis (aside from ever-inquiring editor Perry White) don't wonder, either.
He's a hero, plain and simple. Let the battle with the bad guy begin.
That's how a great Superman movie is built.
And that's how Man of Steel probably won't be built.

Oh look Joal Ryan already knew the synopsis of Man of Steel. Wait amongst the high praises for donner-verse, did he forget to mention Donnerverse had tons of flops?

[sethypants]

Nolan is the last filmmaker who should be expected to let Superman be. He's been given the keys to the franchise precisely because he's been so successful at not letting Batman sleep soundly.
And maybe, hopefully he'll work his magic again on the new film. Maybe, hopefully, together with Snyder, he'll torture the last son of Krypton all the way back to the top.
But remember, no matter how good their movie looks this weekend, no matter how much the Comic-Con crowd oohs and aahs, Man of Steel can't possibly be a great Superman movie.
There's no more like that one back home.

Today, the modern movie superhero is a wreck.
He (and it's still almost always a he) must be touched by a form of madness in order to get to the point where he dons a suit.

Since when was Superman touched by a form of madness to don a suit? None of the comics interpretation has ever done that. (Except Earth One)

[Léo Ho Tep]

Originally Posted by matrix_ghost

LOL Exactly.
What kind of insightful answer would anyone else expect from such a question. I mean he gave some solid answers when asked why there are different dream levels or whatever the hell each state represents.

Seriously does anyone expect a kind of philosophical shakesperian answer from Nolan when asked why Catwoman is roundhouse kicking a thug ?

Nolan would explain that her fighting skill is based on.... and she uses roundhouse kicks because it weakens the opponent and...

Snyder would answer: I don't know. 't was cool.

I used this quote in the sucker punch interview as an example. But the thing is he would answer with that kind of dumb statement even if the question was deeper. And he did in said interview.

snyder is not someone who makes things because he thinks about it. He makes things because he thinks it'll look cool. He's more a visual artist. And bear in mind that I like him as a director. That doesn't make his answers intelligent though.

[HighFivingMF]

Originally Posted by Léo Ho Tep

no but that shows he puts things in his movies without knowing why.

Being cool sounds like a good enough reason for me when it comes to a giant bunny robot without much screentime.

[matrix_ghost]

Originally Posted by Ita-KalEl

It's impossible to make 2-3 "solo" sh movies before the JLA movie, there isn't enough time. GL can be reeboted inside the JLA movie like Hulk in the Avengers and Batman can be used (even with a different actor) without explanation (people will assume that he's the same Batman of Nolan's trilogy, even if with a different face under the mask).
The problem is Superman, you can recast him again.
IMO the priority would be a strong reference to a JLA movie in Man of Steel (a la "Iron Man"). They can't miss this opportunity, even if they must re-open the set to shoot a post-credit sequence.

At this point, only Wonder Woman deservs his own movie before JLA.

[Léo Ho Tep]

Originally Posted by HighFivingMF

Being cool sounds like a good enough reason for me when it comes to a giant bunny robot without much screentime.

maybe. But again, it was just an example.

Originally Posted by matrix_ghost

He's not a native english speaker.

[Dangerman]

Originally Posted by sethypants

Since when was Superman touched by a form of madness to don a suit? None of the comics interpretation has ever done that. (Except Earth One)

Earth One he didn't don the suit out of anger. In Earth One he don the suit because that is the only way he realized he could help. I liked the fact in that book we saw a Clark Kent who just wanted the chance at a normal life but understood that his destiny was greater than that.

[sethypants]

Originally Posted by Dangerman

Earth One he didn't don the suit out of anger. In Earth One he don the suit because that is the only way he realized he could help. I liked the fact in that book we saw a Clark Kent who just wanted the chance at a normal life but understood that his destiny was greater than that.

Yes I know. I do like that storyline. But I'm saying Earth One is the only version where its slightly off the norm. Yet it was never because his parents died.

[Bruce_Begins]

People including fans, movie critics and regular journalists are too sensitive when it comes to taking about a Superman movie.

Is it really difficult to be objective and rational ?

[Bruce_Begins]

MOS scripts' first two acts written by Goyer are supposedly based on Superman:Birthright, Superman: Secret Origins and Superman: Earth One, nothing is known about the third and final act which was rewritten many times.


Also I think someone here (was it Showtime ?) has hinted that Goyer seems to have taken some elements from previous superman scripts that were prepared for JJ Abrams, Brett Ratner and McG movies.

I hope all that makes it a really good script.

[Alchemy Arcade]

The Teaser Thread is talking about a "confirmation" of a trailer attached to TDKR. The link a poster posted was in French and apparently it's confirmed through WB-France.

Just thought I'd bring that info over here in case anybody missed it.

I hope it's legit.

[HighFivingMF]

I remember Jamie or Show backing up a Latino Review story that said they had an already established Superman story by Goyer that featured Lex and Brainiac before they had to do the origin again. That makes me wonder, do they have the sequel story to Man of Steel already?

[X Knight]

I find it kind of funny that now, just a few days before CC and a week before a possible trailer, all these "negative" articles, rumors, gossip, etc. are popping up.

[mclay18]

Originally Posted by HighFivingMF

I remember Jamie or Show backing up a Latino Review that said they had an already established Superman story by Goyer that featured Lex and Brainiac before they had to do the origin again. That makes me wonder, do they have the sequel story to Man of Steel already?

No, but they have a shortlist of writers lined up like Steve Kloves, Travis Beacham and Lawrence Kasdan in their sights.

And they can use that Goyer story for the sequel, provided someone else writes the dialogue.

[HighFivingMF]

Originally Posted by mclay18

No, but they have a shortlist of writers lined up like Steve Kloves, Travis Beacham and Lawrence Kasdan in their sights.

And they can use that Goyer story for the sequel, provided someone else writes the dialogue.

That's what I meant. Having whichever of those writers do a new draft or convert the story into a screenplay in general.

[Krumm]

Originally Posted by sethypants

Since when was Superman touched by a form of madness to don a suit? None of the comics interpretation has ever done that. (Except Earth One)

I believe it was referring to "he" as in the modern cinematic superhero -- not Superman.

[Bruce_Begins]

After what happened to SR, it is always better that there is some plan in place for sequels in advance.

[Art Damage]

Originally Posted by Bibs11

Interesting article I found on E! today...

http://www.eonline.com/news/328801/w...rss_topstories

What a horrible, one track minded nostalgic article. This guy reminds me of the people I know who like Tim Burton's Batman more than Christopher Nolan's take simply because they grew up with and don't like change.

[Willi Berg]

Originally Posted by Art Damage

What a horrible, one track minded nostalgic article. This guy reminds me of the people I know who like Tim Burton's Batman more than Christopher Nolan's take simply because they grew up with and don't like change.

Yes, I stopped reading it after a few lines because I hate those type of articles.

[sethypants]

Originally Posted by Krumm

I believe it was referring to "he" as in the modern cinematic superhero -- not Superman.

yes continue reading the article. They said Superman the movie has Clark turning into the superhero because he wants to and claims that Man of Steel would not be built like that. Implying that MOS would have Clark going through some madness.

The Superman in Superman: The Movie, by comparison, just does it.
One scene, a teenager is sifting through his late Kryptonian father's archives. The next, a fully-grown man is decked out in a cape, uniform and trunks, as ready as he'll ever be to fight for truth, justice and the American way.
Because Reeve's Superman doesn't wonder who he is or why he is, the citizens of Metropolis (aside from ever-inquiring editor Perry White) don't wonder, either.
He's a hero, plain and simple. Let the battle with the bad guy begin.
That's how a great Superman movie is built.
And that's how Man of Steel probably won't be built.

Apparently know it all Joal Ryan already read the script.

[sethypants]

Originally Posted by Art Damage

What a horrible, one track minded nostalgic article. This guy reminds me of the people I know who like Tim Burton's Batman more than Christopher Nolan's take simply because they grew up with and don't like change.

Whats worst is the article already predicted what MOS would turn out like without knowing anything about the movie.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by sethypants

Confirms he wont do a justice league or batman film. Doesnt mean theres only these 2 franchise in DC. He never said no more comicbook movies

Yeah, Chris Nolan isn't going to be the producer of Flash and Wonder Woman either... (or Lobo)

Robinov wanted Nolan to be the grand producer of all of these films. Nolan declined it all.

"I've got no plans to do anything more, and certainly, no involvement with any 'Justice League' project."

[Bruce_Begins]

I think that Nolan's comment is very interesting, since he says things carefully not to give away any more information than what is necessary. (according to him.)

We need to read between the lines....

"I've got no plans to do anything more, and certainly, no involvement with any 'Justice League' project."

So, this is my interpretation of his statement -

I've got no plans to do anything more (Batman movies), and certainly, no involvement with any 'Justice League' project.


(This may mean that He was asked by the interviewer specifically about the Justice League project and He is making it clear that he is not involved in any way with that JL project but this also means that JL project exists.)