The Amazing Spider-Man #1 (Post AvX)

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Don't forget...
MJ KNEW about Gwen and Norman and for YEARS...NEVER said anything to Peter.
They didn't just screw up Gwen, they screwed up MJ as well.
And to an extent Pete for never catching on...

[Spider-Aziz]

That move is awkward in continuity, but I still enjoyed that story

[dan1]

Originally Posted by Spider-Aziz

That move is awkward in continuity, but I still enjoyed that story

Not awkward, impossible...when Gwen could have had the children. A fan broke down everything and called out JMS at the time and JMS just verbally assaulted, insulted fandom, because he realized he wrote the impossible, and that's almost hilarious when speedy growing superhuman offspring are involved.

Sins Past is the joke on us and the end of the "Marvel gets it right" era in comics.

Now it's the era of "who cares as long as we enjoyed the story" and if we didn't "who cares because with our mighty mighty short attention spans we'll "forget" the bad storyline anyway. I guess it doesn't matter now that Marvel makes billions in movies.

When Marvel "got it right" they were going bankrupt, so I get it, I truly do.

It's just something I don't get invested in anymore, because I only invest in something that gives me the best return. Continuity gave me that as a reader.

I knew that was what made Spider-Man comics special. Even with Amazing, PPSM, Team-Up/Web of, and guest appearances they slickly got it right for 30+ years.

I "remember."

[DACrowe]

Eh we all have are breaking points. I quit reading Spidey regularly after SP, but didn't quit the character all together until OMD. In 2007, I was pissed. Now I'm just bemused. There are literally decades of stories and plenty of alternatives to modern continuity (MC2, for example). I have seen as far as Marvel was willing to take the character in the early 2000s (around 30, professional teacher with a lost daughter). They refuse to go any further and want to regress. I just shrug and walk away. NO reason to get upset.

[Spider-Gnome]

Originally Posted by runawayboulder

I wonder if Gerry Conway regrets killing Gwen off? I wonder if anybody has ever asked him that? If you think about it, he was 19-20yrs old when he wrote his first stint on ASM. That's practically unheard of today. He said he was bored of her after 10 issues, I wonder if he regrets handling it like he did now that he's a more seasoned vet?

Regrets writing what is, aside from his origin, arguably the most iconic Spider-Man story ever? Not bad for a 19-20yr old!

Originally Posted by Themanofbat

If you think about it... Gwen's demise was set in stone when Stan Lee killed her father in ASM #90... Gwen's appearances after that were more two-dimensional "I hate Spider-Man for killing my father"... aside from her trip to the Savage Land... where she served more as eye candy in her bikini... but Stan wrote Gwen into a corner, and a very young Gerry Conway couldn't do anything constructive with her aside from killing her off... which was also encouraged by John Romita Sr...

Ah, great memories! Those Savage Land issues were among the first back issues I ever bought when I first learned you could buy old comic books!

[Spider-Gnome]

Originally Posted by DACrowe

Eh we all have are breaking points. I quit reading Spidey regularly after SP, but didn't quit the character all together until OMD. In 2007, I was pissed. Now I'm just bemused. There are literally decades of stories and plenty of alternatives to modern continuity (MC2, for example). I have seen as far as Marvel was willing to take the character in the early 2000s (around 30, professional teacher with a lost daughter). They refuse to go any further and want to regress. I just shrug and walk away. NO reason to get upset.

You know, DACrowe, I was as mad as anyone about OMD and the end of the marriage and the whole regression bit. But, Dan Slott has a long way to bring back the character back to that intelligent capable character. You might want to check him out. Just saying...

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Originally Posted by dan1

I "remember."

Jeez, you're not talking about 9/11. Don't get so friggin' dramatic. It was a poorly concieved story that was written years ago. Unlike OMD, it had no real lasting impact. It's hardly ever referred to. It's over. Time to move on. I think Spidey sucks these days too, but your "bring back Gwen" idea would make the books that much worse; not better.

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Originally Posted by runawayboulder

I wonder if Gerry Conway regrets killing Gwen off? I wonder if anybody has ever asked him that? If you think about it, he was 19-20yrs old when he wrote his first stint on ASM. That's practically unheard of today. He said he was bored of her after 10 issues, I wonder if he regrets handling it like he did now that he's a more seasoned vet?

Conway was bored of Gwen after 10 issues, because she wasn't an interesting character. She had the personality of soggy cardboard in comparison to the firecracker that MJ was. The only reason anyone remembers her is her iconic death. If she was introduced today, she would be more despised than Carlie Cooper.

[Dan_Slott]

I have been saying this since I came on to the book back in 2008...
But with a movie out WITH Gwen in it, I've had to say it FAR too often and far too many times to count.

So if you haven't heard me the first 2,000 times, let me say it again:

As long as I have a say in it:
GWEN IS NOT COMING BACK.

Period. Finito. The End. NOT doing it.
Next to the death of Uncle Ben, Gwen's death is one of the most important moments in Spider-Man's mythos. And I will NOT be the one to undo it.

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Okay that was pretty awesome.

[runawayboulder]

Lmao, Dan Slott coming though with a bold proclamation. Hey Dan, could you do a few more in 72pt bold typeface? Like......

ASM SHALL NOT BE RELAUNCHED TO A #1....AGAIN.

or OMD SHALL BE UNDONE!....or perhaps

FREE PIE FOR EVERYONE!

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Originally Posted by dan1

Not awkward, impossible...when Gwen could have had the children. A fan broke down everything and called out JMS at the time and JMS just verbally assaulted, insulted fandom, because he realized he wrote the impossible, and that's almost hilarious when speedy growing superhuman offspring are involved.

Sins Past is the joke on us and the end of the "Marvel gets it right" era in comics.

Now it's the era of "who cares as long as we enjoyed the story" and if we didn't "who cares because with our mighty mighty short attention spans we'll "forget" the bad storyline anyway. I guess it doesn't matter now that Marvel makes billions in movies.

When Marvel "got it right" they were going bankrupt, so I get it, I truly do.

It's just something I don't get invested in anymore, because I only invest in something that gives me the best return. Continuity gave me that as a reader.

I knew that was what made Spider-Man comics special. Even with Amazing, PPSM, Team-Up/Web of, and guest appearances they slickly got it right for 30+ years.

I "remember."

dan, you couldn't have stated it any better than this... these are the exact same thoughts and feelings that I've had for so many years about a title and a character that I was with since ASM #18, but gave up on about three years ago after almost 15-20 years of growing discontentment with the book starting with the clone saga joke and progressing all the way to the "deal with the devil" farce and everything inbetween...

well thought out and well said, m' man...

Marvel hasn't cared for a long time now with their "f**k continuity and history" attitude and today's readers just don't know any better nor do they give a s**t...

that may be a harsh statement, but it's the fact of the matter, like it or not...

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Originally Posted by runawayboulder

Lmao, Dan Slott coming though with a bold proclamation. Hey Dan, could you do a few more in 72pt bold typeface? Like......

ASM SHALL NOT BE RELAUNCHED TO A #1....AGAIN.

or OMD SHALL BE UNDONE!....or perhaps

FREE PIE FOR EVERYONE!

RIIIIIGHT... like THAT'S gonna happen...

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Um...
I may be a bit nieve (sp)...
but, was that really the real Dan Slott?

[Spider-Aziz]

Originally Posted by runawayboulder

Lmao, Dan Slott coming though with a bold proclamation. Hey Dan, could you do a few more in 72pt bold typeface? Like......

ASM SHALL NOT BE RELAUNCHED TO A #1....AGAIN.

or OMD SHALL BE UNDONE!....or perhaps

FREE PIE FOR EVERYONE!

I'm in favor for the last line

Originally Posted by ben_reilly_s_s

Um...
I may be a bit nieve (sp)...
but, was that really the real Dan Slott?

Don't worry, it's him

[shinlyle]

Originally Posted by Themanofbat

If you think about it... Gwen's demise was set in stone when Stan Lee killed her father in ASM #90... Gwen's appearances after that were more two-dimensional "I hate Spider-Man for killing my father"... aside from her trip to the Savage Land... where she served more as eye candy in her bikini... but Stan wrote Gwen into a corner, and a very young Gerry Conway couldn't do anything constructive with her aside from killing her off... which was also encouraged by John Romita Sr...

Read the forward in the "Death of the Stacys" hardcover. It's pretty obvious that he has no regrets about it!

As for me, if Slott says to keep reading, then I'll keep reading. He brought me back to ASM after I TRULY hated it with OMD/BND. Hated. It. More. Than. Anyone. Seriously.

Now, I read Spidey. Every issue that comes out, I get it, read it giddily, and love it. The past two issues witht he Lizard have been the weakest since I've been back, and they're still better than most.

As for Alpha, a relaunch, or a reboot? I don't know. I could boycott, I could complain, and I could raise hell, but honestly, I love reading Spider-Man every two weeks again. I will not be happy if they bring back Gwen, but we'll see.

With my daughter being named Gwen, it's hard for me now to be a little bit okay with it, as Gwen is one of her favorite characters...obviously. Still, a reboot is pretty pointless, long-term. You're starting everything over to tell the same stories in a new setting. Wow. The Ultimate Universe aside, it just doesn't work. I mean, at least in Ultimate U, anything happens. In the DCNU, mostly the same stuff happens...except your sexual orientation may change and your sidekicks are all different or you are no longer a paraplegic.

[Themanofbat]

Originally Posted by shinlyle

Read the forward in the "Death of the Stacys" hardcover. It's pretty obvious that he has no regrets about it!

Aside from the Marvel Masterworks and the Essentials... all my Spidey reading comes from the originals... I only get the Essentials for reference (and my wife likes the colour in the MMW).

[SpideyInATree]

As long as the story is good the number on the book doesn't matter. However, if quality changes and too much editorial poo poo gets involved...remember...DC isn't the only other kid in town. There are a lot of fantastic creator owned books out there that could use increased readership.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

And some of them made by your fellow Hypesters!

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Now, I know Dan said NO!
but, the way he carefully words he responses makes me feel "on-edge"

A fan asked if we’d be seeing Gwen Stacy return now that she’s on the big screen, whether it be in flashback or through resurrection. Slott said that we’d see a flashback if the story necessitated it, but added, “I really don’t want to bring Gwen back. She’s too important to the mythos, it’d be like bringing back Uncle Ben. I’d like to avoid it.”

However, that’s not to say Slott isn’t game for changing the status quo. A question was asked about the rumors of Amazing Spider-Man #700 holding a cataclysmic event for the character, Singh said that he can’t confirm or deny if Slott’s run would be ending, but referenced Marvel NOW! and added, “When you get to the last page of ASM #700, Dan has to go into hiding. It’s going to be a big, big event. You’ll be very happy with what’s happening with Spider-Man.”

“The thing that happens in #700 is the biggest thing I’ve ever done to a character in my entire career in comics,” teased Slott.

He also said that "He'll have to go into hiding as soon as #700 hits the stands."
Maybe he really is leaving the book.
I hope not...

[runawayboulder]

I don't want to see him go either because I don't know if there's another writer I could trust on ASM. If he does go, I hope he lands on a big franchise title. Unfortunately all the Avengers books post AvX are set.

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Originally Posted by ben_reilly_s_s

Now, I know Dan said NO!
but, the way he carefully words he responses makes me feel "on-edge"

.... sigh.....

Originally Posted by Dan_Slott

So if you haven't heard me the first 2,000 times, let me say it again:

As long as I have a say in it:
GWEN IS NOT COMING BACK.

Period. Finito. The End. NOT doing it.
Next to the death of Uncle Ben, Gwen's death is one of the most important moments in Spider-Man's mythos. And I will NOT be the one to undo it.

Holy crap... how much clearer can this be? Should he sign an oath in blood?

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Originally Posted by JJJ's Ulcer

.... sigh.....



Holy crap... how much clearer can this be? Should he sign an oath in blood?

and probably give up the souls of his as-of-yet unborn children as a guarantee?...

[shinlyle]

Originally Posted by Dan_Slott

I have been saying this since I came on to the book back in 2008...
But with a movie out WITH Gwen in it, I've had to say it FAR too often and far too many times to count.

So if you haven't heard me the first 2,000 times, let me say it again:

As long as I have a say in it:
GWEN IS NOT COMING BACK.

Period. Finito. The End. NOT doing it.
Next to the death of Uncle Ben, Gwen's death is one of the most important moments in Spider-Man's mythos. And I will NOT be the one to undo it.

Dan, I love you, man. I said it.

[shinlyle]

Originally Posted by JJJ's Ulcer

.... sigh.....



Holy crap... how much clearer can this be? Should he sign an oath in blood?

Took the words out of my mouth. He actually took a break from writing Marvel's FLAGSHIP TITLE to come on here and reaffirm what we all pretty much knew. What else do you need?