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Old 07-21-2012, 01:41 AM   #351
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Default Anyone else see the lazarus pit reference?

The pit prison that Bane threw Batman in was the films version of the Lazarus pit. When Ra's Al Ghul died in Begins, he's lives on achieving his immortality through his daughter who rose from the pit. Batman is broken and spiritually dead, but he learns to rise from the pit and become reborn. Anyone else see this symbolism?

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Old 07-24-2012, 12:37 AM   #352
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It is true that the prison is not referred to as the lazarus pit, but i think there is enough evidence to support the link.

-it is known simply as "The Pit."

-The fact that the chant which the inmates recite is in Moroccan, can't be coincidental that it is Ra's al Ghul's native language.

-Talia is the one who is born in it and escapes it, not Bane.

-If it was Bane, then why is the chant in Moroccan and not Spanish?

-The League of Shadows is what brought Bruce to the Pit in the first place.

-The League also seems to be the only thing from the outside world that knows the Pit's location.

-Not to mention, when Bruce was first in the Pit, he was there as a paraplegic but when he left he was fully "healed," albeit not supernaturally.

-Lastly, let's first agree that the Pit is, a significant setting for the film. Yes? In that case, are we to believe that Chris Nolan included this Pit in the film completely out of his own original creation, or could all the points that I mentioned mean that the setting was inspired by the Lazarus Pit?


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Old 07-24-2012, 12:39 AM   #353
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Talia's mother died in the Lazarus Pit (Batman: Son of the Demon). She died in the pit in the movie.

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Old 07-24-2012, 12:47 AM   #354
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Talia's mother died in the Lazarus Pit (Batman: Son of the Demon). She died in the pit in the movie.
that sounds like even more undeniable proof but what is your source?

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Old 07-24-2012, 12:49 AM   #355
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To me, it was clear that they chose the name The Pit as a reference, but made it more thematically relevant and more "realistic." Loved the way they interpreted the classic stories from the comics in this film.

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Old 07-24-2012, 12:50 AM   #356
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that sounds like even more undeniable proof but what is your source?
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:54 AM   #357
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that is awesome. did anyone in the film mention that talia's mother died in the pit?

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Old 07-24-2012, 12:56 AM   #358
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I honestly had not made this connection. Consider my mind blown.

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Old 07-24-2012, 01:10 AM   #359
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that is awesome. did anyone in the film mention that talia's mother died in the pit?
Yes. She was shown being murdered in the Pit when the Pit's doctor accidentally left her cell's door unlocked. The inmates broke in and killed Talia's mother and attempted to kill Talia -- they didn't succeed in the latter as Bane saved Talia.

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Old 07-24-2012, 01:16 AM   #360
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Morrocan ?

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Old 07-24-2012, 01:20 AM   #361
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I honestly had not made this connection. Consider my mind blown.
lol good then! I'm glad to see someone can embrace the light
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Yes. She was shown being murdered in the Pit when the Pit's doctor accidentally left her cell's door unlocked. The inmates broke in and killed Talia's mother and attempted to kill Talia -- they didn't succeed in the latter as Bane saved Talia.

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Old 07-24-2012, 01:24 AM   #362
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-Lastly, let's first agree that the Pit is, a significant setting for the film. Yes? In that case, are we to believe that Chris Nolan included this Pit in the film completely out of his own original creation, or could all the points that I mentioned mean that the setting was inspired by the Lazarus Pit?
It wasn't a coincidence. I think it's brilliant how they re-worked the idea of the Lazarus Pit.

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when Bruce was first in the Pit, he was there as a paraplegic but when he left he was fully "healed," albeit not supernaturally.
This is what sealed it for me while I was watching. I knew in advance about the candid photos people had taken of the set, so it was a matter of putting two and two together from there. It's an interesting way to bring that into these movies, and complements the Abrahamic undertones to the story nicely.

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My brother was telling me how in the comics, Talia's mother's father (so her maternal grandfather) was actually the devil. Is that true?

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Old 07-24-2012, 01:52 AM   #365
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Not that I've read. The only one who has been referred to as the Biblical Satan in the comics was Dr. Simon Hurt, who turned out to be a Wayne family member who crossed paths with Darkseid. Ra's is called the Demon 'cause that's what "Al Ghul" literally translates to in Arabic.

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Old 07-24-2012, 01:59 AM   #366
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I honestly had not made this connection. Consider my mind blown.
Me neither, until I came on here yesterday lol. Makes absolute sense though.

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Old 07-24-2012, 08:04 AM   #367
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Not that I've read. The only one who has been referred to as the Biblical Satan in the comics was Dr. Simon Hurt, who turned out to be a Wayne family member who crossed paths with Darkseid. Ra's is called the Demon 'cause that's what "Al Ghul" literally translates to in Arabic.
Actually I think the "Al Ghul" part translates to the Demon, since "Al" in Arabic is usually an article.

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Old 07-24-2012, 08:46 AM   #368
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Al is "the" in Arabic. So Al Ghul is The Demon. The Pit is a combination, to me, of Penă Duro(the prison Bane was born and raised in), the Lazarus Pit and the underground tomb/base of the League of Shadows from the Legacy story arc(which Ra's, Bane and Talia attempted to bury Batman, Robin, Nightwing and Catwoman in alive).

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Old 07-24-2012, 08:52 AM   #369
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The prison/pit = The Lazarus Pit in the same way
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:10 AM   #370
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Al is "the" in Arabic. So Al Ghul is The Demon. The Pit is a combination, to me, of Penă Duro(the prison Bane was born and raised in), the Lazarus Pit and the underground tomb/base of the League of Shadows from the Legacy story arc(which Ra's, Bane and Talia attempted to bury Batman, Robin, Nightwing and Catwoman in alive).
I see, but I only think the Pit has a little less to do with Pena Duro since it was Talia who was born, raised, and escaped there, no?

Bane's part in it seems to be that he was incarcerated there at one point, and he helped Talia escape.

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I see, but I only think the Pit has a little less to do with Pena Duro since it was Talia who was born, raised, and escaped there, no?

Bane's part in it seems to be that he was incarcerated there at one point, and he helped Talia escape.
I think Bane's place in the Pit is somewhat ambiguous actually. He too may have been born there, after all he tells Batman he was born into darkness in their first fight. The importance of the child born in the Pit wasn't so much that she was born there but rather that she was the only one to make the climb out. I could see Bane taking a liking to her because he was also born there and their mothers shared a similar demise.

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I think Bane's place in the Pit is somewhat ambiguous actually. He too may have been born there, after all he tells Batman he was born into darkness in their first fight. The importance of the child born in the Pit wasn't so much that she was born there but rather that she was the only one to make the climb out. I could see Bane taking a liking to her because he was also born there and their mothers shared a similar demise.
I agree with the first part; I liked that they kept Bane's origin more ambiguous in the film. So for anyone who reads up on it, they'll be brought to Santa Prisca.

And I agree that the importance of the child in the Pit isn't that she was born there, but I found that to be enough to set it aside as Bane's birthplace as well.

Bane is a mercenary, so he could have still been born, raised, and incarcerated elsewhere. All the other inmates in the Pit looked and sounded like Arabs, and when we look at Bane (without his mask), Tom sticks out like a sore thumb, and that's no coincidence. It's because Bane is a Brit/Latino, not an Arab.

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Old 07-24-2012, 12:06 PM   #373
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This is pretty clearly inspired by The Lazarus Pit in the comics. Its pretty much an entirely different concept, but its a nice nod to the "immortality/rebirth" elements of the Ra's Al Ghul legend.

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Old 07-24-2012, 02:29 PM   #374
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This is pretty clearly inspired by The Lazarus Pit in the comics. Its pretty much an entirely different concept, but its a nice nod to the "immortality/rebirth" elements of the Ra's Al Ghul legend.
i wouldn't even call it an entirely different concept, but the same concept, grounded in reality.

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Old 07-24-2012, 10:39 PM   #375
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I thought it was pretty obviously Nolan's allusion/adaption/interpretation of the Lazarus Pit. And I think it was cool.

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