TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk) - Part 5

[Atom Ant]

Originally Posted by kthevs

A little off topic, but i just got the official novel, and it confirms that Bruce gives Selina the pearl necklace that belonged to his mother.

Bruce is going to get some!

it's stated in the movie. when the lawyers are talking about doling out the assets of the estate. (right after Blake gets that bag) he says something like the necklace being missing from the manifest.

[AnneFan]

Originally Posted by Atom Ant

it's stated in the movie. when the lawyers are talking about doling out the assets of the estate. (right after Blake gets that bag) he says something like the necklace being missing from the manifest.

Correct.

[Atom Ant]

Originally Posted by AnneFan

Correct.

I wonder if he ever told her it had a tracking device in it

[kthevs]

Originally Posted by Atom Ant

it's stated in the movie. when the lawyers are talking about doling out the assets of the estate. (right after Blake gets that bag) he says something like the necklace being missing from the manifest.

Yes, but I didn't see her wearing them in the cafe scene because of the lighting. The novel and new still confirms that she is wearing them.

[Anjow1060]

Pretty sure he faked his death so he could be with Selina. She wanted to "disappear and start fresh" and I think he did too.

Alfred clearly states that Gotham is a place of tragedy and haunting memories for him. If he stays there, then he'll slip back into being Batman.

He faked the Bruce Wayne death so that not only could he start fresh himself, with Selina but also so that everyone else in Gotham could. He could give his house to the orphans. He could let Alfred finally effin retire. Fox could run the company without issue. All of that. Again, as Alfred said, "There's nothing there for him."

All that said, I am slightly bummed he left his father's name in ruins. I would have wished that at some point Bruce Wayne would have done something so that people would have seen him in a different light before he "died."

- Jow

[Reikowolf]

Originally Posted by Atom Ant

I wonder if he ever told her it had a tracking device in it

hahaha! that's hilarious if he didn't

BATMAN DOESN'T TRUST ANYONE!

[Ultra Nolanite]

Why do you guys reckon Bruce gave Gordon a new Batsignal ?

[Midnight Black]

Batman may be needed. Just in case!

[Reikowolf]

Originally Posted by Ultra Nolanite

Why do you guys reckon Bruce gave Gordon a new Batsignal ?

who says it was Bruce? Could have just as easily been Blake

[Technic]

Why did Bruce wait so long to tell Alfred he was alive? Why would he break his heart like that? Is there something I missed? And don't tell me that he just wanted Alfred to see him living out the fantasy that he told him about.

[Atom Ant]

Originally Posted by Ultra Nolanite

Why do you guys reckon Bruce gave Gordon a new Batsignal ?

to let his old friend know he was okay. and that his legacy was intact.

also Jow I do think he left the name in good standing. The Orphanage is definitely in line with his father's ideals.

[BatLobsterRises]

Originally Posted by Technic

Why did Bruce wait so long to tell Alfred he was alive? Why would he break his heart like that? Is there something I missed? And don't tell me that he just wanted Alfred to see him living out the fantasy that he told him about.

They weren't really on speaking terms. Alfred broke Bruce's heart with the truth about Rachel first.

Forgiveness takes time. That scene in the cafe at the end is most likely months, maybe even years later.

[kthevs]

Originally Posted by Technic

Why did Bruce wait so long to tell Alfred he was alive? Why would he break his heart like that? Is there something I missed? And don't tell me that he just wanted Alfred to see him living out the fantasy that he told him about.

Because it's a movie and that scene has great emotional impact. As opposed to him just calling up Alfred and letting him know that he's alive.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by kthevs

Because it's a movie and that scene has great emotional impact. As opposed to him just calling up Alfred and letting him know that he's alive.

I'm just not sure that this makes since with his character. What Alfred did wasn't so bad, to let someone who loves you think you were dead for that long. I wonder if Alfred new he was alive before. This is literally the only problem I have with the movie.

[Atom Ant]

Originally Posted by kthevs

Because it's a movie and that scene has great emotional impact. As opposed to him just calling up Alfred and letting him know that he's alive.

yeah that's one of the little complaints I have about the story. I know it's used for dramatic effect but when you have to force the character to do something he would never do then it's just lazy storytelling.

[BatLobsterRises]

I look at it this way...Bruce was being a bit emo to fake his death and not even tell Alfred the truth. But they had a very bitter goodbye and things were not left on a good note between them. It's one of those deals where it might have been awkward to pick up the phone. If you've ever went a long time without speaking to a parent or someone very close to you after a fight, this rings very, very true.

But in the end, time heals all wounds and when Bruce finally is able to forgive Alfred, he does so in spectacular fashion. That was probably the single happiest moment of Alfred's life.

[Reikowolf]

Originally Posted by Technic

Why did Bruce wait so long to tell Alfred he was alive? Why would he break his heart like that? Is there something I missed? And don't tell me that he just wanted Alfred to see him living out the fantasy that he told him about.

maybe he still had not forgiven him over keeping the truth about Rachel from him.

[Atom Ant]

Originally Posted by Reikowolf

maybe he still had not forgiven him over keeping the truth about Rachel from him.

but that's just being petty and a bit selfish.

[BatLobsterRises]

Originally Posted by Atom Ant

but that's just being petty and a bit selfish.

Bruce Wayne isn't a saint, you know.

[HighFivingMF]

Originally Posted by Atom Ant

but that's just being petty and a bit selfish.

It's also not true.

[litobirdy]

I've seen the sewer fight a million times and I still dont know wtf does bane say to batman when he catches his punch? Patience comes to your strength?

[Atom Ant]

Originally Posted by HighFivingMF

It's also not true.

well you obviously know more than I do enlighten me as to why it's not

[Technic]

Originally Posted by HighFivingMF

It's also not true.

What do you mean? Not true?

[HighFivingMF]

Originally Posted by Atom Ant

well you obviously know more than I do enlighten me as to why it's not

Because Bruce is the good guy... He left Alfred with the tracker to the stolen pearls to find him as soon as he looked. Why in the world would someone think Bruce would say "Son of a *****, I'll show you for leaving me!"

[Atom Ant]

Originally Posted by litobirdy

I've seen the sewer fight a million times and I still dont know wtf does bane say to batman when he catches his punch? Patience comes to your strength?

I think he looks at his heavy gauntlets and says "these things cancel your strength,victory has defeated you"

which is kinda ironic because those blades are what cut the hoses on his mask in the final fight.