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As of right now, Batman has the best superhero trilogy in existence, and one of the best cinematic trilogies of all-time, to his name. Anyone who would dispute this has a long, difficult fight ahead of them.
The Avengers franchise, however, still has to deliver two more movies with no real missteps to even enter the talk with Batman. And that's an EXTREMELY difficult task it has ahead of itself. So yeah, Avengers wins the box office battle with a 3D boost and no tragedy. And you know what, it probably would have won anyway (I'm not going to fool myself), but people need to stop making it out like it's some huge victory. In the end, the quality of the movies is what endures and what people remember. TDK Trilogy is destined to be a classic. Can't say the same for The Avengers... yet.
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I don't understand the incessant need to compare the two. I'm glad both franchises did well. The Dark Knight Rises is a satisfying conclusion and easily broke the third act curse. Unfortunately the trilogy is plagued with real life tragedies. |
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TDKR didn't escape the second sequel curse for me, much to my surprise and disappointment. It was of higher quality than most 3rd outings but still had the same basic problems; bloated story, too many characters, weak villain motivation and ultimately a pretty underwhelming climax.
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My point being, The Avengers didn't come close to overshadowing TDKR (as Chris Wallace's post insisted). The villain [Bane] was ingrained into pop-culture by political pundits, activists and comedians with the hysterical comparisons of Romney's Bain Capital to Bane -- on an Election Year. Then, of course, we have the iconic role in Catwoman where the actress' portrayal is being raved about in virtually every critical [positive and negative] review.
Sadly, TDKR will be not be eclipsed by any film this year (most notably) thanks to that lunatic who shot up a theater and killed 14 innocent people and wounded 70 others. ![]() |
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Not really. The only important new characters were the Joker and Dent, who were both used well.
With this, you have Blake, Catwoman, Bane & Talia all competing for some spotlight with varying degrees of success. Hathaway was great and felt well implemented. Not so much with the others, and I thought Cottilard's role was particularly half-baked and a dull performance. |
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But then you had Maroni, the Chechen, Mr. Reese, Ramirez, Wuertz, Stephens, Lau, even Gambol if you want to count him. I feel that TDK had more even if more minor characters. Still more characters.
Although I do agree that there should've been more to do with Tate; Blake, Bane and Selina were given quite enough for the audience to appreciate them. |
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Every one of them were more interesting than Foley.
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Which is probably why I clapped my hands when Foley was laying on the concrete floor, lol.
Seriously, I don't know why the character was even created in the first place since there wasn't a Deputy Commissioner walking around trying to still Loeb's position in BB/TDK. |
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I'm glad movie escaped the "Third Act Curse" but i was expecting it, so surprise.
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And it becomes tricky now with The Avengers franchise because its doubtful you will be able to just sit and watch The Avengers 1-3 and have it be completely cohesive. Other Marvel single franchise films will occur in between The Avengers films filling in the story in some way. So it won't be a trilogy in its truest sense. Same goes with Iron Man 3 but I felt that franchise already had a slight misstep in quality with Iron Man 2 (still a good film though). This Batman franchise is without question one of the greatest trilogies ever made in cinema. |
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Not only did it escape the curse, it crushed it beneath its bat boot.
One of the best trilogies made period, of any genre not just comic books so yeah it did well.
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It didn't escape it completely, but it did fight through it quite better than most. Interestingly, some of the things that were kind of designed to not suffered a third film curse actually hurt it a bit.
But for all intents and purposes, it was one of very few third/last installments that weren't embarrassingly bad, and that's quite an achievement.
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Completely.
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A third movie in a trilogy that has an 87% critical rating (average 8/10) and a 92% audience rating (average 4.5/5) in Rotten Tomatoes, is currently in the top 25 of IMDb Top 250 movies of all time with a rating of 8.9 and will have grossed at least a billion WW at the end of its theatrical run.
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I think some people wanted it to earn more than what previous movie earned domestically.
As the overseas collections for TDKR is more than that of TDK, some wanted the same thing for the domestic collections, but there are several reasons why that did not happen.
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What do you think those reasons are? I have my own ideas, but I would like to hear another take on it. |
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Nah, it definitely escaped the curse. It did what all third movies in these kinds of series should be striving for, but rarely reach...
It was darker, bleaker and raised the stakes to an unprecedented level. It took the series yet again into different genres. Yet, it concluded the hero's journey on a hopeful note, and gave a great resolution to all the characters and themes that were explored over the three films. It's everything a third film should be. It didn't escape the curse in that it was a clearcut better film than the last two, because people are always going to have opinions about which was the best of the 3 (another sign of a great trilogy)...it escaped the obvious creative exhaustion and inability to raise the stakes from the second movie in an effective way that a lot of third movies suffer from. If anything, TDKR is almost too robust and too ripe with thematic and story ideas to contain everything in one film, but that's still a victory over the factors that have always contributed to "the curse". And the film still essentially pulled it off IMO. |
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Put it this way, it did incredibly well in being less affected by it than most.
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