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Old 07-30-2012, 11:23 AM   #1
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Default Changing the roster for Avengers 2?

Obviously a rotating roster has been one of the trademark features of the Avengers in the comics, as well as any other team. I'm told that Kevin Feige has already said that fans should expect a rotating roster of sorts but I thought I'd sound off about my opinions on the issue.

As much as I appreciate that people want to see their favourite Avengers on the screen and there is the precedent to have characters come and go; I would prefer that the core team remain the same going into the next film. As much as the Avengers sequel is going to be a continuation of whatever happens in other films such as Iron Man 3, Thor 2 etc, it's also got to be recognisably a follow up to The Avengers and as such it should build on the dynamics already established by that film.

I think it would be a mistake to shake up the roster between films and really think that the Avengers should be seen as an origin film in its own right. The sequels can then expand on everything already present, without retreading 'origin territory' by introducing new members and ditching old ones.

What does everyone else think? I accept that there will probably at least one additional member to the roster although I'd prefer there to be none. Are many people in favour of big shake ups?

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Old 07-30-2012, 01:35 PM   #2
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Keep the team the same but add a new character that adds a new dynamic to the team.

Think Lando in ESB, Nightcrawler in X2, etc

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Old 07-30-2012, 03:28 PM   #3
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If you said screw cannon then I'd love to add Vision.

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Keep the team the same but add a new character that adds a new dynamic to the team.

Think Lando in ESB, Nightcrawler in X2, etc
More to the point: ESB successfully added Lando AND Yoda as two major heroes (as well as two prominent new villains, The Emperor and Boba Fett), and X2 added *three* new heroes (Nightcrawler, Iceman and Pyro).

If those sagas successfully added 2-3 major characters to the existing core group, it's safe to say that Avengers can do the same without alienating audiences.

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Old 07-30-2012, 04:09 PM   #5
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Well Yoda didn't really join the group, he just mentored the lead for a bit. And neither the Emperor or Fett was prominent. Fett just looked cool for a couple scenes and I think had two or three lines of dialogue, while the Emperor was just in one scene. He had about as much of a "presence" as he did in Star Wars.

And I hate to use the whole X-Men ensemble as an example, as some of those characters really got screen time at the expense of Cyclops.

But yes, it's possible to add a few more supporting characters

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Old 07-30-2012, 05:58 PM   #6
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I would think Avengers 2 is too early to change the roaster, maybe add a few characters instead *cough* the Pyms *cough*... You can rotate the roaster as much as you want in the next sequels though

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What are you rotating in the roaster?

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Old 07-30-2012, 07:04 PM   #8
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If you said screw cannon then I'd love to add Vision.
To be honest if Wright is sticking with the "Pyms in the 60s" thing, it could work

Have it be a robot he's been perfecting most of his life, and he tries to turn it into his surrogate for himself on the big shiny superhero team, since he's so old

Maybe mocapped/voiced by whoever plays Pym in Ant-Man. With the voice modified to be robotic

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Old 07-30-2012, 07:09 PM   #9
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Hulk can leave the team, maybe Hawkeye and Black Widow can leave the team too.
Add Ant-Man, Falcon and maybe War Machine and Black Panther

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Old 07-30-2012, 11:17 PM   #10
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What is there to rotate out for two? It's has to be assumed everyone who is getting a sequel is going to be in the avengers I don't think a rotating roster makes sense until there are way more characters and if they are to switch swop people take out widow and hawkeye most logical... No Thor Cap or Ironman Hulk makes no sense for me in the second film if it ain't broke don't fix it

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Old 07-30-2012, 11:24 PM   #11
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I dont think Iron Man, Cap, Thor, and Hulk should not be in an Avengers film.

BW, Hawkeye, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and BP I can do without

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My dream Avengers team is Hulk, Iron Man, Spider-Man, & Thor.

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Hulk can leave the team, maybe Hawkeye and Black Widow can leave the team too.
Considering that Hulk stole the show in [I]The Avengers[I/], I honestly dont see that happening. Hawkeye and Black Widow could leave too. But with Scarlett getting paid tons for Avengers 2, I think its obvious that she's sticking around. I would still want Hawkeye around just because I think he needs more development.

Here's my dream team for Avengers 2:

Captain America-Iron Man-Thor-Hulk-Black Widow-Ms. Marvel/Hawkeye-Ant-Man

Hawkeye sticks around if Thanos isnt the villian for Avengers 2. If he is I would replace him with Ms. Marvel (Plus the Team really needs another female).

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Old 08-01-2012, 09:24 AM   #14
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None of them should or will leave the team. You don't want an X-Men 3 where Nightcrawler is never mentioned and Cyclops is shat on in the opening moments.

The problem with Black Panther or Ms Marvel or Dr Strange showing up is they really do need their respective origin movie(s) first to be done justice. And it doesn't look like Marvel will be working on any of them before Avengers 2.

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None of them should or will leave the team. You don't want an X-Men 3 where Nightcrawler is never mentioned and Cyclops is shat on in the opening moments.

The problem with Black Panther or Ms Marvel or Dr Strange showing up is they really do need their respective origin movie(s) first to be done justice. And it doesn't look like Marvel will be working on any of them before Avengers 2.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:30 AM   #16
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None of them should or will leave the team. You don't want an X-Men 3 where Nightcrawler is never mentioned and Cyclops is shat on in the opening moments.

The problem with Black Panther or Ms Marvel or Dr Strange showing up is they really do need their respective origin movie(s) first to be done justice. And it doesn't look like Marvel will be working on any of them before Avengers 2.
I think that's why making the Ant-Man movie before Avengers 2 (I hope the LR rumor is true) is so important--it's the best chance MS has at properly introducing one or two worthy additions to the team without improperly shoehorning people into the solo sequels (like Dr. Strange in Thor 2 or Black Panther in Cap 2).

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This isn't a comic book or graphic novel series. it's a film series. Those are two completely different things. You have to keep the core group together. You can add a couple in, but you can't take away from the originals or their impact to the series.

Your Core Group:
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk

Secondary SHIELD Agents:
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Black Widow
Falcon (most likely because of CA:TWS)

Tertiary Support Characters as "Part of the Team":
Hank Pym (Primarily as a SHIELD scientist/researcher, NOT always as Ant Man/Giant Man/Yellow Jacket)
Janet Pym (Primarily as a SHIELD scientist/researcher, NOT always as Wasp)
Black Panther (Only in a story line that involves Wakanda, NOT a "member" of the team)

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Where does Doc Strange fit into this established portrait you've painted?

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Old 08-01-2012, 05:56 PM   #19
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Nowhere.

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Old 08-01-2012, 06:09 PM   #20
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That's good. I didn't want to take it seriously anyway.

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Old 08-01-2012, 06:15 PM   #21
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I wouldn't want Strange to be more than a cameo in an Avengers flick. MS needs to make movies unrelated to Avengers at some point, its not the Avengers Cinematic Universe.

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but if I understand you correctly, you do want a Doctor Strange film that fits within the MCU continuity? Just not as an Avenger? I guess I could live with that.

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I like Dr. Strange, but when you already have the deep personalities of Stark, Rodgers, Thor and Banner, and you talk about throwing in the Pyms, Thanos, possibly Ultron, and maybe even Black Panther, you dont need to add the complexity of Dr. Strange too. Just my opinion.

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Blehh... Doctor Strange over Black Panther any day. Over any mention of Ultron too.

Strange isn't around for his complexity. He's there because he is mysterious. More powerful than most everyone you just listed. If he exists in this universe, they can't afford to challenge these threats without him.

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Old 08-01-2012, 07:59 PM   #25
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Yet the Avengers managed to challenge these threats without him for 50 years

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