State your unpopular film related opinion - Part 9

[Travesty]

Originally Posted by Schlosser85

Nolan's Batman films are the only ones I like.

And no, I don't think everythig Nolan does is perfect, but I think his movies are far truer to the essences of the mythos and the characters than Burton's and Schumacher's.

The Joker, Harvey Dent/Two-Face, Selina Kyle, Bane, etc., their Nolan versions are far more properly portrayed than Burton's and Schumacher's, IMO.

I think all of the movies deviate a LOT. But Nolan, especially, deviates from the character of Batman more than any of them, IMO. And to me, that's the most important of all the characters.

[Blackman]

Originally Posted by Majik1387

I found Alfred's character to be completely butchered in TDKR.

I completely agree and that's my biggest problem with the film

[Majik1387]

Originally Posted by Blackman

I completely agree and that's my biggest problem with the film

I'd say Blake's knowledge about Batman, and the final 2 minutes were my biggest problems; Alfred's treatment was definitely top 3 though.

[Blackman]

Originally Posted by Majik1387

I'd say Blake's knowledge about Batman, and the final 2 minutes were my biggest problems; Alfred's treatment was definitely top 3 though.

That I didnt hate. ALthought it was really flimsy. It couldve been expanded on more.
But on Blake I had a problem with him inheriting the cave/cowl at the end. I mean Blake is an ordinary guy, competent yes. But if he goes out as Batman he'll get killed on his first night.

But to put numbers on it I say:
1. The treatment of Alfred
2. The treatment of Talia

and I dont really have a third. Those were my only 2 major problems with TDKR

[Majik1387]

Your first spoiler is included in my final 2 minutes issue.

Regarding your number 2, it was a bit of an annoyance for me, but I know that the relationship and motivation has been written like that in the comics, so it didn't bother me much, I'll just say Talia dying was unnecessary.

[returntovoid]

Originally Posted by Travesty

I think all of the movies deviate a LOT.

Exactly, deviation is completely irrelevant.

For 70+ years, different comic book writers brought their own take to Batman.

[returntovoid]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

I have my problems with the Nolan movies (poor martial arts, next to no detective work)

Those are not flaws but just deliberate creative decisions, the fight scenes use the shaky-cam technique of The Bourne Identity and this Batman relies on Lucius, Gordon and Alfred (not emphasizing him as The World's Greatest Detective, that is self-reliant).

Originally Posted by Schlosser85

I think his movies are far truer to the essences of the mythos and the characters than Burton's

The Joker, Harvey Dent/Two-Face, Selina Kyle, Bane, etc., their Nolan versions are far more properly portrayed than Burton's, IMO.

They have all made changes, it's just too hasty to claim that the Burton films are completely inaccurate.

[DarkSovereignty]

Originally Posted by returntovoid

Those are not flaws but just deliberate creative decisions, the fight scenes use the shaky-cam technique of The Bourne Identity

didn't people complain about it then? just because it was done before doesn't make it a good film-making technique.

[CConn]

Nah, I think it was better utilized in The Bourne Identity and made more sense overall.

It's more that it was Batman that they used it on that made it particularly bad.

I'm not a big fan of it in general, but I do think its a legitimate technique.

[DyeLorean]

Yeah, the shaky cams add a frenetic feel to the Bourne movies that just works, and make more sense in those movies.

Personally, I prefer to actually see what the hell is going on in the screen.

[That Guy]

For me the biggest problem with TDKR was

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the reveal of Talia being behind the whole thing. It somewhat ruined Bane as a villian.

[CConn]

Originally Posted by That Guy

For me the biggest problem with TDKR was

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

the reveal of Talia being behind the whole thing. It somewhat ruined Bane as a villian.

I do agree with that.

At the same time, I do think they could've pulled it off without reducing Bane at all. It's just how it was written, it made Bane look like a little ***** ultimately.

Then again, the Emperor made Darth Vader look like a little ***** in ROTJ too, so I guess it's not THAT bad.

[jonathancrane]

I despise the way Peter was written in ASM. Make no mistake: Garfield is a talented actor and tried to make the best out of a peter who was an arrogant arse. In fact, I wish the film had been about Sheen's Uncle Ben or Ifans' Connors ( and I am happy they made him a bachelor, as the family disintegrating because of Mr. Hyde plot has been overdone.)

Heck, a film chronicling Ben's earlier years - his arc of maturity, amidst the social turnmoil of the 60's and 70's would have been more interesting than Peter's arc in the film.

But, outside of the aforementioned and characterization and bloated romance, the writing in the film is good. The Oscorp cross species program and tech noir with the Parkers is terrific.

[returntovoid]

Originally Posted by DarkSovereignty

just because it was done before doesn't make it a good film-making technique.

I personally don't like the technique.

[Chrisbarnes182]

Ghostusters 2 is better than the 1st. Duh Duh Duuhhhhh

[Rowsdower!]

Originally Posted by CConn

I do agree with that.

At the same time, I do think they could've pulled it off without reducing Bane at all. It's just how it was written, it made Bane look like a little ***** ultimately.

Then again, the Emperor made Darth Vader look like a little ***** in ROTJ too, so I guess it's not THAT bad.

That's a good point. I've always felt Vader acted out of character in ROTJ... he went from a vicious badass who had no qualms about wiping out entire planets full of people to the sappy guy caught in the middle. And yet somehow it still kinda worked.

ROTJ would have probably ended up being my favorite Star Wars movie if A. it didn't have the Ewoks and B. Han was utilized a little better.

[Schlosser85]

I'm pretty sure Harrison Ford is stoned all through ROTJ.

[I Am Jack's...]

I love ROTJ. Just as much as Empire. But I do like the prequels too so what do I know...

[Homer J. Fong]

^I know that feeling well.

[Thedudehimself]

I honestly find all Sergio Leone movies straight up unwatchable. Yes, I ve seen them all. I will never sit through this boring crap again.

Whilst the "Dollars Trilogy" was at least somewhat fast paced (still bland and boring as hell), the "America Trilogy" gave me nothing but a hurting butt. After watching "Once upon a time in the West / the revolution / in America" I felt bitterly cheated, I felt like Sergio Leone stole me 7 hours of precious lifetime. I really could have done better thinks in those 7 hours.

As I said earlier in this thread I also had a hard time making it through "The Godfather" movies. I also struggled alot with "Apocalypse Now". I turned off "The Conversation" after 30 minutes.

I did not enjoy either "GoodFellas" or "Casino". I think "Taxi Driver" is unspeakable overrated.

[Matt Mortem]

Originally Posted by Thedudehimself

I honestly find all Sergio Leone movies straight up unwatchable. Yes, I ve seen them all. I will never sit through this boring crap again.

Whilst the "Dollars Trilogy" was at least somewhat fast paced (still bland and boring as hell), the "America Trilogy" gave me nothing but a hurting butt. After watching "Once upon a time in the West / the revolution / in America" I felt bitterly cheated, I felt like Sergio Leone stole me 7 hours of precious lifetime. I really could have done better thinks in those 7 hours.

As I said earlier in this thread I also had a hard time making it through "The Godfather" movies. I also struggled alot with "Apocalypse Now". I turned off "The Conversation" after 30 minutes.

I did not enjoy either "GoodFellas" or "Casino". I think "Taxi Driver" is unspeakable overrated.

Everyone has a right to their opinion man, but this kinda hurt my soul a lil bit.

[Thedudehimself]

Originally Posted by Matt Mortem

Everyone has a right to their opinion man, but this kinda hurt my soul a lil bit.

Even though I had only bad experiences with Westerns, stangely enough I look very much forward to Tarantinos "Django Unchained". How is that possible? Thats a Western as well.

You look forwardto it too, amiright?

[DyeLorean]

I finally finished The Godfather, after 2 failed tries over the course of 3 years.

I didn't like it.

[Donnie Darko]

I saw The Godfather once about 11 years ago in high school. While I enjoyed it, I don't ever really need to see it again.

[charl_huntress]

This thread is hilarious...

My unpopular opinion. I really like the Star Wars prequels and think the pod race and Yoda battle are very cool!