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Old 07-30-2012, 04:07 PM   #576
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I'd say every other orphan is Batman. Not literally, but has it in them? Sure. Hell yeah. We go through having to chart a similar path. A lot of us wear masks that you guys can't see. And a lot similarly have the instinct of placing others ahead of themselves. You lose something so important like your natural parents, it forces you to have to grow up fast and learn to take charge of your own life. That creates a certain kind of identity. It also can champion one a hero, because there's a sense of belonging to the world at large. Not easy. But, hey - there's a psychological reason why most heroes dating back thousands of years are orphans. And this film just acknowledged that basically by saying any one of those kids could become Batman or Robin, and my money is when Blake's Batman - one of those would become his protege.

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Old 07-30-2012, 05:14 PM   #577
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Well, they don't explain much about what happened in those eight years. All we know for sure is that the Dent Act was enacted, Gordon's wife left him and took the children with her, and at some point Bruce stopped being Batman.

They seemed to leave things open in the film for what may or may not have happened within those 8 years. The Joker could have escaped at some point, the Scarecrow as well or whatever. There could have been small skirmishes on the way to the passage of the Dent Act with them or the mob.

And like others have pointed out, with Blake probably being in his twenties, the overall timeline seems to fit.

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Old 07-30-2012, 05:16 PM   #578
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So Blake knew Bruce was Batman cause he was an Orphan???

ok now that makes sense......so is every other orphan batman too?
He's a natural detective.

Same way Tim Drake was. Same way Tim simply put the pieces together on his own, with no real evidence.

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No but every Batman is an orphan.
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:22 PM   #580
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That wasn't what I was saying. He just saw the hurt on his face. Years later when Batman appeared is when he figured out Bruce was Batman. Then again, I can't remember the exact conversation. Did he say he realized he was Batman when he first saw Bruce? If so, then shauner and chintai hit on what is most likely the case here.
Yeah, if you suspect Bruce of it it's easy to figure out. A billionaire with a tragic past returns to gotham at the same time a vigilante with a ridiculous armory who has the same height and build comes around.

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Old 07-30-2012, 05:29 PM   #581
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Well, they don't explain much about what happened in those eight years. All we know for sure is that the Dent Act was enacted, Gordon's wife left him and took the children with her, and at some point Bruce stopped being Batman.

They seemed to leave things open in the film for what may or may not have happened within those 8 years. The Joker could have escaped at some point, the Scarecrow as well or whatever. There could have been small skirmishes on the way to the passage of the Dent Act with them or the mob.

And like others have pointed out, with Blake probably being in his twenties, the overall timeline seems to fit.
No, it's said a few times that Batman has not been seen for 8 years. Bruce tells Gordon in the hospital that Batman wasn't needed after Gordon told his lie about Harveys death. "We won". Why would Batman be out doing heroic things and leaving criminals on the GCPD's doorstep when he's supposed to keep up with the lie that HE'S the bad guy.

People just want to believe that Batman existed longer so they can have more Batman stories to think about in their minds. But it's just not true.

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Who is Robin Blake today?

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Who is Robin Blake today?
The SHH arrogant experts still think he is just a cop

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Well, technically, he's just a civilian.

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Old 07-30-2012, 11:45 PM   #586
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People just want to believe that Batman existed longer so they can have more Batman stories to think about in their minds. But it's just not true.

It seems like wishful thinking. I would of preffered for him to have stayed active in those eight years but everything in TDKR suggests otherwise.

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But is he ordinary?

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So Blake knew Bruce was Batman cause he was an Orphan???

ok now that makes sense......so is every other orphan batman too?
Um no. Not only is Blake a natural detective which they show throughout the movie but he lost both his parents in tragic fashion. He knows what it looks like to hide his inner feelings, his hatred for the unfair world. Then he puts two and two together. I loved the poeticness of it. In fact I love the ways people find out. Catwoman through the beating, Bane figures it out himself presumably, and Gordon through the amazing speech.

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Yeah, that and Bruce Wayne disappeared at exactly the same time that Batman did

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Never did Bruce and Batman disappear at the same time to the public eye.

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Never did Bruce and Batman disappear at the same time to the public eye.
Yeah i am pretty sure Wayne went missing to the public sometime before he got the bat beaten out of him by Bane.

Bruce was not seen again by anyone except Catwoman when he asked to help him find Lusious Fox.

From then on it was all Batman.

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It seems like wishful thinking. I would of preffered for him to have stayed active in those eight years but everything in TDKR suggests otherwise.
It was a good idea to set up a return, but the way it was handled, you didn't really 'feel' the passage of time or the effects of it as much even though it was telling you. So to some, it must have felt a bit WTH that he'd be sitting around so long. But apparently, the story indicates that Batman wasn't needed during that time by Gotham, even though Wayne may have needed him.

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No, it's said a few times that Batman has not been seen for 8 years. Bruce tells Gordon in the hospital that Batman wasn't needed after Gordon told his lie about Harveys death. "We won". Why would Batman be out doing heroic things and leaving criminals on the GCPD's doorstep when he's supposed to keep up with the lie that HE'S the bad guy.

People just want to believe that Batman existed longer so they can have more Batman stories to think about in their minds. But it's just not true.
The only time I remember it mentioned that he hadn't been seen was from Foley said, when he told Blake after squad cars chasing Bane spotted Batman, that the "last confirmed sighting" was on the night of Dent's death. I don't know, I thought it still left room for some low key activity from Bats.

I don't remember Bruce telling Gordon that after Dent's death Batman wasn't needed. I'll have to see the film again to confirm, but I don't remember him even mentioning Dent's death to Jim in the hospital. He did say they'd won, which was why he retired.

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After gordon says we were in this together, and then you were gone, bruce says the batman wasnt needed anymore, we won.

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People should check the other thread about how long the Batman was active since he began. Because he was gone for the entire 8 years, and you would accept it once you read the new info from one of the new books. It says he was active for 3 years (not 6 months like we thought) between the end of Begins and TDK. And there's a jump in time during Batman Begins. Between Batmans first appearance where he takes down Falcone and the train sequence with Ras...there's actually a 2 year gap almost.

So he's been active for a while. It should make you fans breathe better, the ones who so desperately want Batman to be active throughout the 8 year gap. He retired right after Dents murder.

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The only time I remember it mentioned that he hadn't been seen was from Foley said, when he told Blake after squad cars chasing Bane spotted Batman, that the "last confirmed sighting" was on the night of Dent's death. I don't know, I thought it still left room for some low key activity from Bats.

I don't remember Bruce telling Gordon that after Dent's death Batman wasn't needed. I'll have to see the film again to confirm, but I don't remember him even mentioning Dent's death to Jim in the hospital. He did say they'd won, which was why he retired.
But that's the thing...if there was any 'activity' after Dent's death, it was so low key and non-eventful that it's basically insignificant. So for all intents and purposes, he was retired for the full eight years. Aside from not being a 'constant' thing like comics, perhaps some fans see that as some sort of abandonment of duties...like it's somehow out of character for Batman. It's really not if Gotham didn't actually need him to take care of its major crimes...and as we see, the time off has not been kind, most notably because he does seem to yearn to be Batman again.

So the circumstances of such a long sabbatical are different than the 'norm', but the character is still very much Batman because it hasn't sat well with him.

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It was a good idea to set up a return, but the way it was handled, you didn't really 'feel' the passage of time or the effects of it as much even though it was telling you. So to some, it must have felt a bit WTH that he'd be sitting around so long. But apparently, the story indicates that Batman wasn't needed during that time by Gotham, even though Wayne may have needed him.
It's kind of strange because Gotham wouldn't clean up overnight. I could see Batman having a reason to hang around a bit longer. However the police were probably more capable with the Dent act and also Batman would of been a distraction.

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It's kind of strange because Gotham wouldn't clean up overnight. I could see Batman having a reason to hang around a bit longer. However the police were probably more capable with the Dent act and also Batman would of been a distraction.
Not clean-up overnight...but also remember that he was immediately wanted as a murder suspect, so he had to lay low for at least a while right afterwards while the city healed from the trauma of the last week now that Joker was locked up securely. It seems that the Police, especially with Gordon now commissioner, was able to crack down harder...especially since Joker already pretty-much beheaded all the crime families. Makes sense that the police were able to take more command after that.

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Yeah , that's why I say he would of been a distraction. They would be wasting time trying to hunt down Batman while other criminals were running around. I like how Foley was obsessed with catching Batman during the Wall Street chase.

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I just love it that we basically saw Robin being trained by Bats and Gordon throughout the whole movie, and the non-fanboy audience - certainly not the one I saw it with - didn´t even realize it. He´s not Dick Grayson, but then again there were several Robins in the comics. Being a cop is consistent with Dick´s Nightwing identity, for instance.

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