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^I disagree. To me Brandon embodied Superman (and Clark) perfectly. I love the movie and he is my fav thing about it. He is the heart and soul of the film.
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It would have been more interesting if he was able to do his own take on the character, but having a rather wooden version of Reeve's superman wasn't ideal, I'm not surprised the guy hasn't managed to get any decent film work since which is a shame. |
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Those videos perfectly capture why I thought Superman Returns was phenomenal. Well acted, well written, brilliantly shot, no cliche characters at all. The Richard White character was one of the best parts of the movie. That comparison he makes to Gatsby and Daisy is spot on. And Brandon Routh was unbelievable. I still say it's a top 5 superhero movie of all time. I'm probably the only one who thinks that though, but it doesn't matter.
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![]() Meh...for me there is not one memorable moment from SR. lol...only part I really remember is the kid throwing the piano. The rest just faded into oblivion. I understand there are people who like the film and to each there own, but I think most would agree it wasn't a very exciting superhero film...which should have been what Singer was aiming form. Not a gripping character study and a love letter to the Donnerverse. |
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This review and its audience loved it too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2006/07/0...6_review.shtml I loved this part: "Confronted with a role as constricting as his famous suit, newcomer Brandon Routh can only be lauded for the grace and quiet dignity he brings to the part. (He's just as good, if not better, as bumbling alter-ego Clark Kent.)" Honestly, if SR didn't get a sequel I think the Siegel and Shuster lawsuit is mainly to blame.
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Hindsight is 20/20. If WB had known things were gonna turn out the way they did, i'm sure a supervillain would have been added, and the plot changed from creating real estate to making actual kryptonian weapons.
Would that have saved that franchise? who knows, couldnt have hurt tho. Personally, I would have recast Lois and Lex.
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No supervillain for Superman to fight. I guarantee they had put in a climatic fight scene (instead of Superman lifting a fu**ing rock), SR wouldn't have been so hated on.
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I will agree to one point - the movie is very slow, very methodical, and to the user who said Superman didn't fight anyone, you are absolutely right. And maybe it would have been better to use an actual supervillain he could have fought.
But that doesn't change the fact that I still think Superman Returns is extremely well made. Yes there are complaints, but I believe that objectively speaking, the film doesn't have a lot of flaws. I try to grade a movie the way a teacher might grade an essay - you don't look at the content so much as the structure. If you complain about the content too much, it becomes very subjective, which I try to stay away from. And I actually disagree with the idea that the film relies too heavily on the audience being familiar with Superman 2. All you really need to know is: 1. Superman went to Krypton some amount of years ago. 2. He and Lois were together. Whether "together" means they slept together or what is sort of open to interpretation at the beginning of the movie. But the only thing the viewer needs to know is that they have a history. I don't really see anything else in the Donner films which the viewer needs to know. And to be honest, asking the viewer to know those above 2 things isn't really asking that much. Now I also want to identify two items people commonly complain about when talking about this movie: 1. Luthor was just hatching another cheesy real estate plot 2. Jason was pointless, and a stupid character I actually really liked both of these items in the film, and I will explain why: To begin, the focus of the entire movie is that Superman is alone. And I am glad that is the focus, because very often in a superhero film the focus is not on the hero, it often strays because it's difficult to focus on the hero. This movie the focus is really on Superman the whole time, and how he so incredibly alone. Krypton is gone. And now apparently Earth (though it's really just Lois) doesn't need him anymore. He is more alone than he has ever been. Now, having said that, on to those two complaints: 1. Luthor was just hatching another cheesy real estate plot I think it sort of flew over people's heads that the reason Luthor hates Superman is really out of jealousy. That's why he wants to make the island. Kevin Spacey makes that wonderful speech citing Prometheus, about how he steals from the gods and gives their power down to the people. That's what he wants to do by making the island. And his plan wasn't even just the island - he says the crystals have the power to make weapons and other advanced technology. That's what drives him - he wants to take what makes Superman so special and give it to the people of Earth. And of course, it wouldn't be this Donner version of Lex if he didn't try to profit from it ![]() 2. Jason was pointless, and a stupid character The whole reason Jason is in the film is for Superman to find out in the end that he isn't alone. That's the point. Superman is struggling with being the last of his kind, and Jason is that happy ending he has been looking for. The speech Brandon Routh gives at the end, to a sleeping Jason, is phenomenal. I loved loved loved Brandon Routh in this movie. And another thing I think people fail to realize - Superman throwing the island into space is supposed to represent him throwing away Krypton. His birth planet hurts him now. Earth is his true home. That's what the island really represented. I know this is long and detailed - and I realize that people might not like the film for these very reasons, that much of it is metaphor, and that it is very slow paced, but it is still why I love this movie so much. It is very detailed, very layered, from start to finish, shot beautifully, highly original, well acted, well written, great score, there is so much in this movie that I love. I'm really very sad that we will never get a Singer directed sequel, which I am confidant he would have knocked out of the park. Oh well, at least we got one Superman movie from him. |
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Last night I watched Superman Returns because I was bored. I've loved this film ever since I saw it the first time, and that was quite a while after it was released to the cinemas. So I missed all the hype. I hate hypes. Everytime I see it I notice different things. And as JustSomeGuy said, from the objective viewpoint there aren't much flaws.
So, yeah, to make a long story short, I do agree with him (JustSomeGuy). You don't have to know a lot about Superman, you just have to know the basics of his relationship with Lois, and a little bit about who and what Superman is. Other than that, the film makes it all pretty clear. I loved the emotional feel of the film, I keep saying Brandon Routh did the best he could with the handles he was given. And what JustSomeGuy said. ![]()
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He's exposed to a little bit of kryptonite and it weakens him to the extent human thugs beat him up. Then hes stabbed with krptonite and nearly dies. Suddenly he's somehow able to lift a huge continent laced with kryptonite and throw it into space? Gimme a break, that was taking it too far. Quote:
For starters its too dark, dark to the point I struggle to see Superman in some of the flying scenes, it's also got lots of seemingly unnecessary and poorly executed CGI. (Superman propelling the space shuttle out of the earths atmosphere? it was like looking at a video game). Highly original? this was the most striking part, this movie is ANYTHING but original. Its one giant love letter to the original STM, with the same structure and lots of dialogue taken from the original too. Well acted? Routh did a fine job, Spacey did a reasonable job, Marsden did a great job, but Bosworth was a terrible terrible choice, she was poor and shes a big part of the film too. I thought Langella was very underwhelming too and not quite the way I view Perry White. Well written, I couldn't agree on either because its rather dull and the basic plan of Luthor is again too similar to that of STM, it also has some dreadful dialogue, particularly from Lois. The score? It does have a great score, that I'll give you, but again its all working from Williams original theme. Though I must admit I did enjoy the new themes which were used. I have the SR soundtrack and I love it, 'How could you leave us' is a lovely piece of music. |
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Let's be honest here, reading thru both yours and his prior posts, "objective" you two are NOT.
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^MOS2013...
Only bones are similar to STM, but the meat/story, sorry is very different. It's the brilliance of SR to us who love it and admire it. You don't like it, we get it. Maybe MOS will be the movie for you.. time will tell. Now, we got the message, you don't care for SR, and that's ok. Maybe the MOS forum is for you. Quote:
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I thought Routh did a good job with the rather limited dialogue and ammunition he had though, I couldn't fault him too much. Heres a link to a rather large image of the shot that really bugged me http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/857...7134655ah6.jpg Quote:
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MostPowerful, I'm not just highlighting the flaws of SR for the fun of it, I'm just trying to engage in the discussion which is what the forum (I presume) is all about. I notice that you didn't exactly waste any time in rushing in to the MOS forum to declare that it's too dark or whatever, so I'm not sure why thats okay but me explaining what didn't work for me in SR isn't. People are talking about being objective, but one could argue that discussing the film with someone who is on first name terms with 'Brandon' isn't completely objective. I'm really glad you and lots of other people liked the film, it's good that people get enjoyment from it, if you like it that's all that matters, you shouldn't feel threatened by people who don't like it. I like LOVE loads of films that are widely regarded as being **** films, but I won't let it bother me in the slightest, you like what you like. I'm not exactly pro-MOS either, I'm very much on the fence with it, I like what I've seen so far, but then I'm willing to admit that the director of MOS has had previous film trailers which were impressive only for the actual films to fall short. Last edited by MOS2013; 08-03-2012 at 08:00 PM. |
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Well maybe I am not being objective, objective is a relative statement I guess. And I never understood why people didn't like Bosworth as Lois Lane? I thought she did a fantastic job. I could maybe see that she looked a little young, but her performance? I thought she was great. Clearly I am in the minority here though. I thought the rooftop scene between Lois and Superman was so so great. Like when I think of a bad performance by an actress in a superhero movie...I think of January Jones in First Class...that is some god awful acting, at least I think so. I thought Bosworth was great. She had a very no-nonsense attitude which she pulled off greatly. And when I say it was beautifully shot, I think of him chasing down the plane and saving it, listening in space, lois and him floating above the daily planet and flying through the city, flying up and soaking up the sunlight, getting rid of the land mass and falling back to earth, just a bunch of stuff that I thought looked awesome. EDIT: I am more talking about the cinematography, not the CGI, which I agree had it's subpar moments. But I especially love when he gets physically beaten up by Luthor's henchmen. The entire sequence was shot to emphasize just how ridiculous Superman actually looks: ![]() It's an incredibly dark, wet, cave like setting, with Luthor's henchman wearing very dark colors. And they are beating a guy up who is wearing blue tights and a red cape, with Luthor standing in the background, in all white. It's such a great juxtaposition. The way it is shot is to really emphasize the fact that wearing blue tights and red underwear really does look stupid. The contrast is glaring. And that picture doesn't even do it justice I think, that whole sequence is phenomenal. There are so many moments in this film that are there to emphasize the notion that Superman, on the inside, is a guy like anyone else. Except he happens to have powers. It's why he wants Lois Lane for himself and tries to take her away from Richard. It's why he even spies on her at one point in the movie. He isn't perfect. This is what people might do if they happened to have powers. And I liked that they did that. A common complaint about Superman is that he is too perfect. Well, they humanized him in this movie, quite a bit. And it made for a great film (to me). I think the fact is that this film is probably a little too artsy, if that is the right word, for a summer blockbuster Superman movie. It's probably why it has a very small (but still present) number of dedicated fans, but the general audience panned it. That would be my guess. So if you don't like stuff like that, then you won't like this movie. I love stuff like that. So I loved the movie lol. Pretty simple really. Not to mention it is filled with tons and tons of parallels to Jesus, even more so than the original film, though I still thought it was done (for the most part) very subtle, and very well. Last edited by JustSomeGuy; 08-03-2012 at 08:27 PM. |
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