ORGANICS SUCK!!!! (A Tribute Thread)

[dan1]

Originally Posted by Mr. X

I get that it's part of the spider mytho and it shows Parker's intelligence to make the web shooters....I dunno I just like organic web idea cause he's getting all these abilities of a spider and not the main one? Just never made that much sense to me and when organic webs came into picture, it was easy for me to except.

Yea yea then. Why doesn't the webbing come out from his rear side if he's gonna be a true spider.....my answer to that is that this story of spiderman......IS MAKE BELIEVE! =^p

Yes, make believe, but the biggest thrill to most that got into comics, like Amazing Spider-Man, is that thought that "what if?!" If the kid DID get bit by the spider and DID get these powers and DID invent the webshooters. It all came together, and obviously it's make believe, but if you make the web shooters organic then he should develop glands and shoot them near his butt.

If not, you are changing what would happen, if it even COULD happen. And that is as silly to me as making Superman fly, because he just flys. That's all well and good for Supes, but Spider-Man, Marvel, was grounded in a "possible" reality.

I want to believe that "reality" when I'm experiencing the character. Now Nolan and the Dark Knight series grounded and took Batman into a possible reality, not fantasy, and that seems to be the grandest way to take the comic book character on screen from the pages. Same would work for Spider-Man, and I betcha it works wonders. This movie will blow away the Raimi movies, because the Raimi movies just seemed like Donner Superman movies with a webbed mask. Fantasy come to life. I want to see Comic Book character superhero come to "life." And that means making it plausible in a world similar to ours.

[Troy_Parker]

Originally Posted by dan1

Yes, make believe, but the biggest thrill to most that got into comics, like Amazing Spider-Man, is that thought that "what if?!" If the kid DID get bit by the spider and DID get these powers and DID invent the webshooters. It all came together, and obviously it's make believe, but if you make the web shooters organic then he should develop glands and shoot them near his butt.

If not, you are changing what would happen, if it even COULD happen. And that is as silly to me as making Superman fly, because he just flys. That's all well and good for Supes, but Spider-Man, Marvel, was grounded in a "possible" reality.

I want to believe that "reality" when I'm experiencing the character. Now Nolan and the Dark Knight series grounded and took Batman into a possible reality, not fantasy, and that seems to be the grandest way to take the comic book character on screen from the pages. Same would work for Spider-Man, and I betcha it works wonders. This movie will blow away the Raimi movies, because the Raimi movies just seemed like Donner Superman movies with a webbed mask. Fantasy come to life. I want to see Comic Book character superhero come to "life." And that means making it plausible in a world similar to ours.

This whole post, I agree with.

[SpideyFan866]

Originally Posted by dan1

Yes, make believe, but the biggest thrill to most that got into comics, like Amazing Spider-Man, is that thought that "what if?!" If the kid DID get bit by the spider and DID get these powers and DID invent the webshooters. It all came together, and obviously it's make believe, but if you make the web shooters organic then he should develop glands and shoot them near his butt.

If not, you are changing what would happen, if it even COULD happen. And that is as silly to me as making Superman fly, because he just flys. That's all well and good for Supes, but Spider-Man, Marvel, was grounded in a "possible" reality.

I want to believe that "reality" when I'm experiencing the character. Now Nolan and the Dark Knight series grounded and took Batman into a possible reality, not fantasy, and that seems to be the grandest way to take the comic book character on screen from the pages. Same would work for Spider-Man, and I betcha it works wonders. This movie will blow away the Raimi movies, because the Raimi movies just seemed like Donner Superman movies with a webbed mask. Fantasy come to life. I want to see Comic Book character superhero come to "life." And that means making it plausible in a world similar to ours.

You are correct sir. 5 POINTS AWARDED!

[OrbWeaver]

Stan Lee thought that Peter Parker developing spinnerets was too far-fetched, Raimi felt the same way about a teenager designing webshooters.

Those of us who grew up reading the comics and watching cartoons for the 40 years prior to Raimi's version will always have a tough time buying into the organics because, to us, Spidey's webshooters are an integral part of who he is.

[Troy_Parker]

If I was on the fence about organics, I'd go against them. I believe that a gadget developed by a smart teen is more believable than a mutation which causes glands to develop in completely different areas compared to where they were originally in the spider.

Besides, organics are gross. Ew. xD

[Web face]

I dont know who said this, but someone said that what if the cops or something look at the webbing and find out its peter's DNA. That seems like the biggest problem to me if he tries to keep a secret identity and he has organic webs.

[Troy_Parker]

^That's a very valid point, actually.

[UltimateWebhead]

Originally Posted by Web face

I dont know who said this, but someone said that what if the cops or something look at the webbing and find out its peter's DNA. That seems like the biggest problem to me if he tries to keep a secret identity and he has organic webs.

Ok, so they get a strand of his webbing and extract from it Peter's DNA. There are 11 million people living, working and traveling in NYC. How the hell are they gonna find him? He doesn't have a criminal record, so they won't have it on file.

[Dr Tactics]

Originally Posted by UltimateWebhead

Ok, so they get a strand of his webbing and extract from it Peter's DNA. There are 11 million people living, working and traveling in NYC. How the hell are they gonna find him? He doesn't have a criminal record, so they won't have it on file.

But DNA narrows their search so if they, The Police or FBI even suspect that Peter could be Spiderman it makes it much easier to nail him. But in the end all our opinions on believability are moot. Raimi did what he wanted to do and Webb is doing what he wants to do. Doesn't really matter what we think in the end about Organic or Mechanical...

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by OrbWeaver

Stan Lee thought that Peter Parker developing spinnerets was too far-fetched, Raimi felt the same way about a teenager designing webshooters.

Those of us who grew up reading the comics and watching cartoons for the 40 years prior to Raimi's version will always have a tough time buying into the organics because, to us, Spidey's webshooters are an integral part of who he is.

In the end I agree that what you saw first will really make a difference in which side of this argument you fall under. Just had this debate with my brother the other day. He only really got into Spider-Man with these movies, while I'd watched the cartoons.

I could hardly believe that he was bothered by going to webshooters. Comparatively I was a bit creeped out when that first movie came out and I saw those organic shooters in action. Got used to it as the movies went along, but can also say I was incredibly relieved to hear that they were going back to webshooters.

We can dance around logical issues behind both, but in the end it comes down to what you are comfortable with. I like the idea of Spidey coming up with those shooters to help him and the flexibility of those shooters. Could be fun to see him changing up the webbing for the different villains he'll face in future films. Just liked him using his head to become more effective as Spider-Man.

While I can accept that there are other views the fact remains that to me, organics suck!

[OrbWeaver]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

While I can accept that there are other views the fact remains that to me, organics suck!

Hear! Hear!

[Steve Sanders]

Originally Posted by OrbWeaver

Hear! Hear!

I also give a thumbs up to that post of his.cheers.

[Steve Sanders]

Originally Posted by Zimmy

Mech web shooter just don't work in a movie world.

First, would he have invented this magical webbing that can shoot miles and miles of string that can lift trucks and helicopters, if he didn't get bit by that spider?

Second, if he has the power to stick to walls and spidey sense, why not be able to shoot webs?

Third, wouldn't the stuff be a little expensive to produce on his salary, is he mixing miles and miles of batches of this stuff in his 1 room apt in his spare time?

Forget about the wrist mechanism, is the kid a super genius mechanical engineer as well?

Organic web shooters solve all these issues that Stan Lee's origin of a character that he expected a 1 issue run started.

They dont work in the movie world? oh really????? You might give Mark Webb a call then right now then because apparently he is unaware of that.someone forgot to tell him that.Since you're the expert obviously,better call him now and tell him that. anymore insane ramblings?


btw,where do you shop at for your grocerys? I ask because I would like to pick up some crow for you to eat now.I hope you enjoy it because you will be eating a lot of it for many years to come in the future.


All you people crying over, why he doesn't use the webbing to make money. Ask yourself. Why doesn't he use his superstrength, agility, spidersense and wallcrawling ability to make money ? Hey could just as easily.

he has webshooters in the comics, he should have them in the movies, end of discussion.

Amen to that brother.Gives standing ovation.


It's just lazy and obvious that he shoots organic webs verses the more inspired and sophisticated concept of using science to engineer a synthetic webbing formula.

Spiders are the chemist and engineers of the animal kingdom. It makes sense that Spider-man would be use chemistry and engineering to create webs because he's a humanistic interpretation of a spider, rather than just a human with spider anatomy. Booooring.

Plus organics are gross. Nobody would actually want giant spider organs inside their body.


You nailed it.could not have said it better myself.Yep like he said,its just being lazy and organics are gross.

[Octavias]

OMGosh.... you know a long time ago in a Hype far far away I sided with Mr Parker against organics in that epic (fail) of a thread.. Safe to say it didnt ruin the film as we thought. IMO it still took away a little from the character, but not enough to matter in the grand scheme of things... Glad to see this incarnation has em back....

[The Slang]

Originally Posted by Godzilla2014

Super strength and spider-sense make far less sense to anyone with a knowledge of biology and/or physics.

Says who? I think you -much like a spider's web- pulled that right out of your ass.
Biologists have already incorporated the Spider's silk producing gene into a goat. The result is silk being secreted (not shot) from the udders. Why would the organic spinnerets behave like cannons rather than spinnerets? Why would he gain two sets of them? Why would they appear on his wrists? Why would he be able to control the shape and the distance of the web?
As someone already mentioned, increased strength could be achieved simply by adjusting the adrenaline and myosin levels.
Spider-sense could be explained as a heightened sensitivity to vibration.
Organic webshooters are so unlike anything in a spiders body, and so efficient in their function that they appear to the product of intelligent design, so why not just make them designed?
One day we may invent a device similar to the webshooter, but no creature will ever possess a natural organ that functions like the organics. Guns don't evolve. Therefor mechanical is more believable, less lazy, and to me much more interesting.

Originally Posted by cjmcray

IMO, having to create a device to let him shoot webs is illogical and doesn't make sense, when he has all the other abilities of a spider

Originally Posted by Zimmy

Second, if he has the power to stick to walls and spidey sense, why not be able to shoot webs?

Originally Posted by Mr X

I dunno I just like organic web idea cause he's getting all these abilities of a spider and not the main one?

In that case why doesn't he have venom glands in his mouth? Why can't he shed his hair to irritate predators? He's never had ALL the abilities of a spider, so you can't say that it's wrong he wouldn't gain this ability and not others.

[BrollySupersj]

Not all spiders shed their hair as a defense aginst predators. IIRC, only the larger tarantula type spiders do that. Not the small ones (which is what Peter was bitten by). But you make a point about venom. Anyway, how where the mechanical webshooters in the movie? I haven't seen it yet, probably won't till Saturday. Did Peter ever run out and reload?

[roach]

the funny thing is organic webbing was in the new movie.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

The bred spiders produced the webbing that Oscorp was selling that Peter used in his web shooters. Technically they are organic webbing

[ChildfreeAggie]

The ASM didn't get the webbing right at all in the movie; in this film Peter neither engineered or created the webbing (Oscorp. had already done that) and the web shooters were already partially constructed, he merely finished them.

[Eddie Brock]

Originally Posted by ChildfreeAggie

The ASM didn't get the webbing right at all in the movie; in this film Peter neither engineered or created the webbing (Oscorp. had already done that) and the web shooters were already partially constructed, he merely finished them.

The webshooters weren't "partially constructed." The web canisters were of OsCorp design, but the entire shooter apparatus was created by Peter.

[melvintwj]

I prefer webshooters to organic ones, but organic sometimes makes more sense to me.

Since they are organic, it's kinda more... Biological. Hence, Pete could probably control the type of web they he spins e.g a strand for web swinging, a net for catching people etc.

I can never figure out how is that possible for webshooters, how to control the type of web that's spun.

On the other hand, spinnerets on the wrists are weird.

[pr0xyt0xin]

I hate organics too. I also hate tiny hairs on Peter Parkers finger tips. -_-

[Quasar]

We used to argue this stuff till we were all blue in the face back at NoOrganicWebshooters.com, a site created to put together a petition to send to Sony to get the Organic Webshooters out of the movie. Both sides were constantly shooting holes in the other side's logic, because neither side really had logic on their side. It really just boiled down to pro-mechs saying "they were in the comics, they should be in the movie," and pro-organics saying "organics are in the movie, so deal with it!" Now they're in the comics AND the movie, so the pro-mechs win!

[OrgasmicPotatoe]

Personally, I loved the organic web. I never read Spider-Man's comics, except 1 comic my dad brought me back from work when I was a kid, The Assassin Nation Plot. But it was an English copy and I am a French Canadian. So I read it without understanding any of it. So my real education about Spider-Man came from the 90's animated series, in wich he has the web shooters.

But when I first watched Raimi's Spiderman, I never thought about the sudden change from mechanic web shooters to organic web. It simply fit so well, in my mind, I never noiced it. Until years later, and when I realized it, it didn't bother me that much. I always thought to myself "hell, if he's supposed to develop spider-like abilities, it's only logical he should make his own web, just like a spider."

Plus, you either have a school boy bitten by a radioactive spider, wich gives him spider-like powers like wall-crawling, enhanced agility and strenght, and, well, producing web. Or you have a school boy bitten by a radioactive spider, wich gives him wall-crawling and enhanced agility and strenght, but that school boy can't even afford a bottle of milk in a corner store, but somehow gets the equipment needed to build a completely unique and incredibly small machine that allows him to shoot a stuff he also created himself, and that is as durable as Spider-Man's webs are (oh and don't forget, he'll have to build new ones, or maybe repair the ones he had in the movie). The first story makes much more sense to me, but original story is original story, and Spider-Man mytho is Spider-Man mytho, so I was still happy to see the web-shooters in TAMS. It even helped audiences to distinct further this series from Raimi's.*

But now, I read this

Originally Posted by Web face

I dont know who said this, but someone said that what if the cops or something look at the webbing and find out its peter's DNA. That seems like the biggest problem to me if he tries to keep a secret identity and he has organic webs.

Yeah, I have to give the pro-web shooters camp that point.

Although, in TASM, Peter's secret identity doesn't seem like much of an issue, given how much time he spends without his mask on.

Next time though, if they're going to keep the web-shooters (and they are), i'd like to see the "web-ammos" (couldn't find a better name, those little caps he put in his shooters to shoot the web). I know you can see him pushing a button that activates some sort of loading at one point in the film, but, is that it ?

*EDIT : Well, seems like I was kind of proven wrong in a previous comment in here (sorry I didn't read the whole thread BEFORE posting). It seems like, in TASM, Peter got the basic web-shooter desing and finished it, and the recipe for the substance from Oscorp. I didn't get that in my first watch (that's why I love watching movies again and again !) My bad !

[Rogue Kira]

The web-shooters are important part peter parker's character and show's us how much of a genius he is.

[Dragon]

Originally Posted by melvintwj

I can never figure out how is that possible for webshooters, how to control the type of web that's spun.

They explained that early on back in the 60's. The webshooter has an adjustable nozzle that controls how the webbing flows.