What villain should be pulling Winter Soldier's strings?

[pr0xyt0xin]

If they do Zemo, how would they do his costume/powers?

[SuperFerret]

Originally Posted by TheVileOne

Hopefully not just Zola. Zola is such a goofy villain if it's him most of the time audiences will reject it like Hector Hammond in Green Lantern.

Did audiences reject Hector Hammond in Green Lantern, or was it just a general disappointment in the entire movie?

[Rock Sexton]

Originally Posted by ThePhantasm

I agree. CA's encounters with Red Skull in the first film seemed all too brief. I'd like to see that emnity expanded upon.

Ya, they spent all of what .... 3-4 scenes together? Every time I watch CA:TFA I'm just like damnit I need more Cap/Skull!

[MarvelKnight]

I think it will be Zemo.

[Dark Raven]

I'd like it to be Zemo.

Now as for Viper, what'sthe deal with her? I hear reports of her being used in The Wolverine, played by Svetlana Khodchenkova (whoever she is):

http://twitchfilm.com/news/2012/07/b...-wolverine.php

However, Wolverine is owned by Fox. Who owns Viper? If she's with Marvel, how can she be in The Wolverine? Why would she even be owned by Fox? Although she's associated with Silver Samurai, she's not primarily tied in with X-Men.

[CLFilms]

The Red Skull has already been removed from the equation, but Hydra is STILL in existence. These are the only three likely candidates:
1) Baron Von Strucker
2) Zemo
3) Alexander Lukin

And I actually ran into Mitch Breitweiser (one of the principle artists from The Winter Soldier Storyline) at Dallas Comic Con in May, and he mentioned that Ed Brubaker was working on a screenplay. He wouldn't say what, but it could be that he is one of the writers for CA:WS. And if that's the case, they'll go with what HE has written previously -- aka Alexander Lukin. And he has incorporated the tesseract and Bucky a la Winter Soldier in the same storyline.

[Dark Raven]

Originally Posted by CLFilms

The Red Skull has already been removed from the equation, but Hydra is STILL in existence. These are the only three likely candidates:
1) Baron Von Strucker
2) Zemo
3) Alexander Lukin

And I actually ran into Mitch Breitweiser (one of the principle artists from The Winter Soldier Storyline) at Dallas Comic Con in May, and he mentioned that Ed Brubaker was working on a screenplay. He wouldn't say what, but it could be that he is one of the writers for CA:WS. And if that's the case, they'll go with what HE has written previously -- aka Alexander Lukin. And he has incorporated the tesseract and Bucky a la Winter Soldier in the same storyline.

Don't you mean "ie" Alexander Lukin? Aka is "also known as". Unless Brubaker has written a work called "Alexander Lukin".

[CLFilms]

Originally Posted by Dark Raven

Don't you mean "ie" Alexander Lukin? Aka is "also known as". Unless Brubaker has written a work called "Alexander Lukin".

I meant "i.e." of course. Thanks for the look out.

All I was trying to point out was that Brubaker has already used Lukin, so he knows him pretty well.

[kaijunexus]

Originally Posted by CLFilms

The Red Skull has already been removed from the equation

Says who?

[CLFilms]

Originally Posted by kaijunexus

Says who?

I'm just speaking in terms of practicality. I think the Red Skull is pretty BA, but it would just be too complacent/lazy of a move to bring him back. Cap has tons of foes - the writers are going to end up with a better film if they try not to use him. If he appears in the end though, I think that would be an amazing set up for an Avengers sequel.

[Chris B]

Zemo. I'll be kind of disappointed if they use anyone else as I think he is the natural choice.

[Capt.America518]

As much as MODOK may be neglected upon and despised upon coming to a movie screen, he may be the most logical choice to be pulling the strings of Winter Solider seeing as there are huge rumors of AIM being in the Ironman 3 movie.... I would prefer to see Zemo pulling the strings personally, but MODOK to me seems more likely.... Also Lukin is boring, I dont want to see him at all.... And as for Red skull, I think it would be cooler to see him appear as an end credit scene re-introducing him for Cap 3!

[peterparker0077]

Originally Posted by Capt.America518

As much as MODOK may be neglected upon and despised upon coming to a movie screen, he may be the most logical choice to be pulling the strings of Winter Solider seeing as there are huge rumors of AIM being in the Ironman 3 movie.... I would prefer to see Zemo pulling the strings personally, but MODOK to me seems more likely.... Also Lukin is boring, I dont want to see him at all.... And as for Red skull, I think it would be cooler to see him appear as an end credit scene re-introducing him for Cap 3!

There could still be a separate Hydra and AIM thing going on though, so that both Zemo and or Strucker could be present, and AIM could also exists under whoever they choose.

[Capt.America518]

Originally Posted by peterparker0077

There could still be a separate Hydra and AIM thing going on though, so that both Zemo and or Strucker could be present, and AIM could also exists under whoever they choose.

Im a big fan of both Hydra and AIM.. (more so HYDRA), but anywho, seeing either one of them in the movie would be great and appropriate seeing as Winter Soldier is... well a spy who was brainwashed to attack America

[Changeling]

Zemo would be my choice. Id love to see Red Skull again though, he was one of the highlights of The First Avenger even though him and Caps relationship didnt seem fully fleshed out

[Capt.America518]

Originally Posted by Changeling

Zemo would be my choice. Id love to see Red Skull again though, he was one of the highlights of The First Avenger even though him and Caps relationship didnt seem fully fleshed out

I literally could not have said this any better myself... literally took every word I was thinking out of my mouth.... I prefer to zemo too... I loved captain america 1, and LOVED red skull but I do feel him and caps relationship didnt develop as much as it should have.... I hope they bring red skull back for cap 3!!! perhaps an after credit scene with skull returning???

[Dark Raven]

I think Zemo should be yanking Bucky's chain.

[jonathancrane]

Zemo would be the perfect character bridge between WW2 and the present in the MCU.

[jaqua99]

I would like Zemo. Though with AIM being in Ironman 3. I got a feeling we may get MODOK in cap 2

[Hawkingbird]

I got the impression from the Cap commentary that it would be Zola behind WS.

[Red Mask]

Originally Posted by BullMcGiveny

I vote they keep it as Aleksander Lukin.

I really hope they keep the Winter Soldier's Soviet ties, too.



That being, I could live with Zemo.

I think Lukin would be good for the start. But maybe he can lost control over him. The situation becomes one where the Russian government decides to kill him to cover it all up. SHIELD is ordered to kill him for all the crimes he's done in the past. Captain America and Falcon are the only ones who are trying to bring him in alive.

[Lorus]

I don't know a huge amount about Cap's rogue gallery so I may be off base here but, wouldn't Lukin be the most logical option? Everything about the Winter Soldier is steeped in cold war paranoia and myth making, so wouldn't it make the most sense to play up the Russian angle? Zola or Zemo are both affiliated with Germany or the Nazis, I think, so it would be something of a missed opportunity and squandering of potential to have them pulling the strings when they're not entrenched in that kind of history.

[BullMcGiveny]

Originally Posted by Lorus

I don't know a huge amount about Cap's rogue gallery so I may be off base here but, wouldn't Lukin be the most logical option? Everything about the Winter Soldier is steeped in cold war paranoia and myth making, so wouldn't it make the most sense to play up the Russian angle? Zola or Zemo are both affiliated with Germany or the Nazis, I think, so it would be something of a missed opportunity and squandering of potential to have them pulling the strings when they're not entrenched in that kind of history.

Eh, some think it'll be HYDRA that's controlling WS.

I'm with you, though. It really should be ex-Soviets, or at the very least, the villain should get WS from ex-Soviets.

[KangConquers]

Originally Posted by Lorus

I don't know a huge amount about Cap's rogue gallery so I may be off base here but, wouldn't Lukin be the most logical option? Everything about the Winter Soldier is steeped in cold war paranoia and myth making, so wouldn't it make the most sense to play up the Russian angle? Zola or Zemo are both affiliated with Germany or the Nazis, I think, so it would be something of a missed opportunity and squandering of potential to have them pulling the strings when they're not entrenched in that kind of history.

I wouldn't mind Lukin. I thought even without the Skull association, Lukin was a very worthy villain. A top 10 Captain America villain easily in his own right.

[metaphysician]

I still say there's no reason it can't be Lukin *and* Hydra remnants: some portions of Hydra defected to the Soviets after the Red Skull was killed. The Soviets took advantage of these assets. Fast forward a decade or so, and the difference between "Soviet black ops program that has a bunch of ex-Hydra personnel and resources" and "Hydra Reborn, Soviet Union Edition" becomes narrow to the point of irrelevance.