Man Of Steel Soars @ Comic Con - Part 2

[GreenKToo]

Originally Posted by flickchick85

Their marketing got Batman Begins a mere $48mil opening weekend. It was word-of-mouth that saved that movie (and even then, MoS needs to have a better domestic number than that ultimately got). I'm personally hoping they don't just re-use their BB marketing formula to reboot Supes...which, unfortunately, they seem to be doing so far. Still, they do have a major advantage this go-round which they didn't have back then - Chris Nolan's name actually means something to the general public now. So of course they can milk that for all its worth this time, which should go a long way toward eclipsing BB's haul.

I'd prefer more of a TDK approach to the marketing than what BB got.
It's like they didnt have tremendous faith in begins at the time, especially after what B&R caused. Once they saw the reactions and the DvD sales afterwards tho, they changed their tune with TDK.
They threw everything and the kitchen sink at TDK's marketing ( Of course, it had some help in other areas as well)
Still, I just hope with nolan's name attached, they show the same care with marketing MOS that they did with TDK and rises.

[X Knight]

when's the next Comic Con type convention?

[Astrodust]

They just need an awesome trailer for The Superbowl.

[The Shield]

Originally Posted by BH/HHH

I can't believe sites are only just picking this up I posted that weeks ago

Sorry i missed that BH.

[BH/HHH]

Originally Posted by The Shield

Sorry i missed that BH.

Hey don't worry I was more referring to certain websites only just picking it up don't know how they missed it first time round especially as it was on digital spys main page for a few days.

[KalMart]

It's now showing up on car forums, junk emails, and MacDonald's video menus.

[NickNitro]

I just saw the Comicon footage.......wow....as a big Marvel Fan I have to say this blew me away. I knew it would with Nolan/Snyder/Zimmer on the film.

I really hope Supes does well next year. I think it will if what I saw comes out as some trailers soon!

[Sup3rman81]

Originally Posted by KalMart

What 'class' do you think Superman's in these days? As far as movies go, he sure ain't Batman or Iron Man. He could maybe build up to that after a successful first movie....but as of now he has yet to even hang with the likes of Cap.

Really? Cause you might wanna check your numbers. Superman Returns has made more money than Captain America. Plus Man Of Steel will have much more star power to bring fans in, Nolan's name is attached to the film, and Snyder is known for his visuals. This film will be light years ahead of any other Superman movie. The only thing that would hurt it would be the story/script. And comparing Superman to Iron Man is off base. RDJ made Iron Man cool again, but IM2 was not good at all and 3 is still up in the air.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by Sup3rman81

Really? Cause you might wanna check your numbers. Superman Returns has made more money than Captain America.

And how many sequels/following appearances did it spawn? How successful is it considered? You might want to check that.

Supes has got an uphill battle coming in because he has yet to establish himself as a heavy-hitter in movies. he probably will and should with MOS, but until that happens, his name doesn't give him more credibility than heroes like Batman and any of the Avengers who've already earned their popularity. It has to respect that and put in the effort to re-establish itself, instead of banking on veteran status...which is what your aforementioned SR did, and look how that ended up.

[Sup3rman81]

Originally Posted by KalMart

And how many sequels/following appearances did it spawn? How successful is it considered? You might want to check that.

Supes has got an uphill battle coming in because he has yet to establish himself as a heavy-hitter in movies. he probably will and should with MOS, but until that happens, his name doesn't give him more credibility than heroes like Batman and any of the Avengers who've already earned their popularity. It has to respect that and put in the effort to re-establish itself, instead of banking on veteran status...which is what your aforementioned SR did, and look how that ended up.

Superman started the CBM franchise. He was doing his thing years ago. Batman was good thanks to Burton but bombed after Joel took over. Begins had a modest debut and was a very good CBM but if not for Heath Ledger and the Joker, TDK wouldnt have made what it did. Thor and CA didnt do any better than what Incredible Hulk did and Marvel considered that a flop and was done with Hulk until Avengers and the fans loved him more than any of them. IM and Hulk made that movie, Superman needed a director like Snyder. to bring the true Superman out. Not this always using Lex, kryptonite, and toned down guy we all are tired of seeing. MOS will make over 100m opening weekend. Superman is more relevant than any CA, Thor, and most of the Avengers. Iron Man and Hulk are the only two people I would say are up there.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by Sup3rman81

Superman started the CBM franchise. He was doing his thing years ago...etc

Again, it's not about what he did 70+ such-and-such ago...that doesn't really count for anything when it comes to movies right now, he has to earn his way back onto the podium in a much more crowded and powerful playing field. Supes also has a more recent history of failure regarding capturing popularity, which characters new to movies don't have to contend with. The filmmaker's need to appreciate that and actually treat it as such....a la, he doesn't own the 'throne' any more, he has to win it like anyone else does. Which is good, because the actual movie will have to put in the effort to do so.

Frankly, this is probably the best situation that a Supes movie could ask for, because the challenge is so great. It'll hopefully force them not to rest on his laurels or assume he has some sort of entitlement. They need to treat it as rookie year all over again and earn a spot in the lineup.

[Bruce_Begins]

Originally Posted by Sup3rman81

Superman started the CBM franchise. He was doing his thing years ago. Batman was good thanks to Burton but bombed after Joel took over. Begins had a modest debut and was a very good CBM but if not for Heath Ledger and the Joker, TDK wouldnt have made what it did. Thor and CA didnt do any better than what Incredible Hulk did and Marvel considered that a flop and was done with Hulk until Avengers and the fans loved him more than any of them. IM and Hulk made that movie, Superman needed a director like Snyder. to bring the true Superman out. Not this always using Lex, kryptonite, and toned down guy we all are tired of seeing. MOS will make over 100m opening weekend. Superman is more relevant than any CA, Thor, and most of the Avengers. Iron Man and Hulk are the only two people I would say are up there.

Spider-Man says hello !

[Sup3rman81]

Originally Posted by Bruce_Begins

Spider-Man says hello !

I would have mentioned SM but even though ASM isnt a bust its nowhere near what the first 3 did. Not even ASM could out perform SM3 and thats real bad

[Sup3rman81]

Originally Posted by KalMart

Again, it's not about what he did 70+ such-and-such ago...that doesn't really count for anything when it comes to movies right now, he has to earn his way back onto the podium in a much more crowded and powerful playing field. Supes also has a more recent history of failure regarding capturing popularity, which characters new to movies don't have t contend with. The filmmaker's need to appreciate that and actually treat it as such....a la, he doesn't own the 'throne' any more, he has to win it like anyone else does. Which is good, because the actual movie will have to put in the effort to do so.

Frankly, this is probably the best situation that a Supes movie could ask for, because the challenge is so great. It'll hopefully force them not to rest on his laurels or assume he has some sort of entitlement. They need to treat it as rookie year ll over again and earn a spot in the lineup.

I see where you are coming from. My only gripe was you compared him to CA and said he wasnt even in CA league. CA and Thor were watched by die hard fans and people interested in seeing where it would link with Avengers. Other than that IM has been carrying Marvel. Superman has way more relevance than Thor and CA. I think fans and people who have moved on from Superman are tired of him not being done justice. The cartoons and animated movies are awesome with Superman but the movies ever since S2 have been weak like you said. I think Smallville kept people interested and even brought new fans and old fans back. Love or Hate Smallville, they did things movie directors never did. they introduced way more villains, major DC comic characters, and tried to give a good backstory to Clark becoming Superman. I think him and Lex being friends and the path to hate made more sense as to why they hate each other so much in the Comics.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by Sup3rman81

I see where you are coming from. My only gripe was you compared him to CA and said he wasnt even in CA league. CA and Thor were watched by die hard fans and people interested in seeing where it would link with Avengers. Other than that IM has been carrying Marvel. Superman has way more relevance than Thor and CA. I think fans and people who have moved on from Superman are tired of him not being done justice. The cartoons and animated movies are awesome with Superman but the movies ever since S2 have been weak like you said. I think Smallville kept people interested and even brought new fans and old fans back. Love or Hate Smallville, they did things movie directors never did. they introduced way more villains, major DC comic characters, and tried to give a good backstory to Clark becoming Superman. I think him and Lex being friends and the path to hate made more sense as to why they hate each other so much in the Comics.

Not in movies yet....and to be fair, both are way out of, say, Jack Sparrow's or Batman's league as well. It's the here and now, and what-have-you-done-for-me-lately in movies. And in that respect, Superman kinda' has it rougher than most. But again, so much the better. He needs that in order to really earn his keep.

[Sup3rman81]

Originally Posted by KalMart

Not in movies yet....and to be fair, both are way out of, say, Jack Sparrow's or Batman's league as well. It's the here and now, and what-have-you-done-for-me-lately in movies. And in that respect, Superman kinda' has it rougher than most. But again, so much the better. He needs that in order to really earn his keep.

to be honest I think POTC hurt SR in the box office. But I aint sure what MOS has up against it come June but DEC was not going to be kind with Hobbit coming out. And your right Superman movie was hasnt been in Batman's league for years.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by Sup3rman81

to be honest I think POTC hurt SR in the box office. But I aint sure what MOS has up against it come June but DEC was not going to be kind with Hobbit coming out. And your right Superman movie was hasnt been in Batman's league for years.

What primarily hurt SR in the box office was SR. All POTC did was put an exclamation point on a closing sentence it wrote for itself...it didn't turn what could have been a box-office leader into an also ran...it was that to begin with.

There's always going to be competition at any time of year...and competition is never going to be what decidedly gives a good film bad movie numbers and reaction, or vice versa. SR's issues were solely with SR, and MOS's fate ultimately lies with how it is as a movie. Who knows...maybe Superman will one day be considered competition that some other film would be wary of, instead of always looking over its own shoulder.

[Bruce_Begins]

Originally Posted by Sup3rman81

I would have mentioned SM but even though ASM isnt a bust its nowhere near what the first 3 did. Not even ASM could out perform SM3 and thats real bad

TASM will reach 700 mil in a few days, and it will get around 750 mil worldwide in a month, not bad for a fourth movie on the character.

[UaalaDan]

Superman was never done justice in the movies since Superman II. SR was just a failure and final nail in the coffin of the Donnerverse when it comes to cinematic experience for the present public. Thank god.

MOS is going to do fine and is going to make all the comic book movies next year look like Batman & Robin in comparison.

[KalMart]

MOS needs to concern itself with doing movies and its budget justice...doing Superman's legacy and what not justice is gravy.

[Super Kal]

only time will tell if people will be willing to accept this take of Superman, and it's too early to make grandiose claims on how this movie will make other movies look like in comparison... Superman is a fragile franchise, and everyone has a different take on the character. The only way this movie will succeed is if it is able to appeal to the general audience...

as of today, Superman doesn't generate that much of an audience because of Superman's inability to relate to people today and poor choices in story and directors... does MOS have a chance? sure, it does. is it an inevitability? no, it's not.

again, only time will tell.

[MOS2013]

Originally Posted by UaalaDan

Superman was never done justice in the movies since Superman II. SR was just a failure and final nail in the coffin of the Donnerverse when it comes to cinematic experience for the present public. Thank god.

MOS is going to do fine and is going to make all the comic book movies next year look like Batman & Robin in comparison.

think you're getting ahead of yourself again buddy.

I remember when everyone thought SR was going to be great

[Astrodust]

One of my fears for MoS is that Snyder isn't known for having light moments in his films to balance all the seriousness. One thing that films like Iron Man, Avengers, and Spiderman do is that they don't take themselves too seriously. Also these shaky cam shots are a bit worrying. Are they going for a look like The Hunger Games?

[Lighthouse]

I just watched Last Temptation of Christ again. It's plot would make a great skeleton for a Superman film.

[KalMart]

Christ influence....now that would be new.