The TDKR Box Office Thread V

[FilmNerdJamie]

Originally Posted by Red Mask

But I wouldnt hold my breath for a $430 million total in America very soon.

It'll do around $7-$8M this weekend (and roughly $5-$6M weekdays). Should be at $420M by this Sunday.

[intothevoid]

Saw it for the 6th time yesterday here in London. Was completely was sold out yet again (same as the first 5 times).

It's got some serious legs here.

[Bruce_Begins]

Originally Posted by intothevoid

Saw it for the 6th time yesterday here in London. Was completely was sold out yet again (same as the first 5 times).

It's got some serious legs here.

That is really a good sign.

So, why is this movie under-performing in US ?

[Alex Logan]

Originally Posted by gyzo33

$20 million total? It probably lost $20 Million by midday Saturday on opening weekend!

Exactly.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

went to see it on friday at 6.20 here in dublin and it was almost sold out. and i suspect most were repeat viewers

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Originally Posted by Bruce_Begins

Compared to Avengers which had aggressive marketing, this movie (TDKR) had a low key marketing not many cast interviews, appearances, magazine cover photos, consumer products etc. Even TDK had a bigger marketing though.

It did before the shootings but it all went quiet after that.

[Alex Logan]

Originally Posted by DrMylesOBoogie

It did before the shootings but it all went quiet after that.

Yes, because WB stopped all promotion.

[floreairfoot]

I saw it for the 5th time in IMAX Saturday, still a good crowd, but it's slowing down.

I still get goosebumps when I see Catwoman on the Batpod.

It's a damn shame we didn't see her go down the stairs.

[Liam_H]

Originally Posted by Bruce_Begins

So, why is this movie under-performing in US ?

Its not. Relative to some movies you could say that but that's kind of unfair.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Over $400M domestic box office is not under-performing.

[danoyse]

Originally Posted by isaias7

Anyone know around what time will they start pulling TDKR off theaters? I live in NYC

Let's put it this way: as of last week, The Hunger Games was still playing at the Regal theater on 42nd St. It came out on DVD this weekend.

TDKR will be around awhile. Even if it's on the smaller screens, it's not going to be out of theaters entirely until the fall.

[Bruce_Begins]

Maybe I should have used a different word, what I wanted to say is that it is not performing according to expectations.

[Mace Dolex]

Saw it for a 3rd time this Saturday and was surprised still that the crowd was half full or maybe it was because of it being Saturday when theaters are at their busiest.

People still cheered during the end credits and giggled of course at Talia's death.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Originally Posted by Bruce_Begins

Maybe I should have used a different word, what I wanted to say is that it is not performing according to expectations.

That's because of Aurora. Why noone is suggesting the numbers are a letdown. In the wake of a national tragedy.

[ultimatefan]

The fact that the movie´s beating TDK overseas and the record breaking of opening midnight screenings are clear indicators that the movie might have surpassed TDK in USA if it weren´t for the shootings. It still has a good shot at making 1 billion dollars worldwide. We´l never really know for sure if it´s related, but any movie that makes even close to a billion worldwide is anything but a letdown. Any talk of that is just silly fanboy spin.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Its gonna break $1B after it opens in China.

[Liam_H]

Originally Posted by ultimatefan

The fact that the movie´s beating TDK overseas and the record breaking of opening midnight screenings are clear indicators that the movie might have surpassed TDK in USA if it weren´t for the shootings. It still has a good shot at making 1 billion dollars worldwide. We´l never really know for sure if it´s related, but any movie that makes even close to a billion worldwide is anything but a letdown. Any talk of that is just silly fanboy spin.

I argue its not since TDKR always had room to expand in the overseas while TDK reached a pretty high level in US. Big opening weekends or midnights are always an indication of fan rush or frontloading not necessarily how much it makes overall.

[Deserana]

People feel Aurora tragedy only took away $20million

Seriously I don't know that much about box office numbers and stuff but to say it only took away $20mill is ridiculous. It affected the whole of America not just that part. Even a couple of posters on here said that they were gonna hold off a little bit.

Heck I live in the UK and I know a few people who didn't go because of it!

[ultimatefan]

Originally Posted by Liam_H

I argue its not since TDKR always had room to expand in the overseas while TDK reached a pretty high level in US. Big opening weekends or midnights are always an indication of fan rush or frontloading not necessarily how much it makes overall.

Still, it was after the news of the shooting broke that it fell below analysts´ predictions that it´d beat TDK´s opening. At least surpassing TDK´s opening weekend was expected in USA.

One way or another, it still looks like it will reach 1bil worldwide or pretty close, and that´s far from a disappointing BO.

[lostzilla]

Originally Posted by floreairfoot

I saw it for the 5th time in IMAX Saturday, still a good crowd, but it's slowing down.

I still get goosebumps when I see Catwoman on the Batpod.

It's a damn shame we didn't see her go down the stairs.

Don't be sad. That scene was frontal, not back XD

[Mr. Dent]

Originally Posted by Bruce Malone

There is nothing there that changed my view. Word of mouth for a film is based upon how well that film is received by those who see it. Those who liked it will tell others about it and that is what happened.

The week of no marketing (done mind you by a few tv networks not the studio) was a blip in the grand scheme public awareness of that film was about as high as possible during the period of its release. This was not a small mid level release that got lost in the shuffle.

Your estimates for total gross are way too high. While i think the movie is great it didn't happen to captivate the public as much as TDK as that's just that. TDK was a cultural phenomena and to assume a duplicate or bigger success in hindsight might have been foolish.

There was no joker and while bane was great he will not go down in the all-time film villain category with him and that's no knock on hardy at all.

Look i don't think Avatar 2 will make as much as the 1st i sort of feel the same way about avengers 2 as well. Its hard for a sequel to a cultural phenomena to totally re-capture that essence.

My high end estimate without the tragedy is around 500m at the absolute max. Either way like i and others have mentioned what it will finish with is still very impressive. The foreign markets don't look like they were affected by the tragedy at all as they are all ahead of TDK.

I'm sorry but to say it would have made $500m max is ridiculous. It was on track to blow out TDK in its opening week and suffered devastating declines on the second and third weeks because of the shootings. If it were to end up only $20-40m ahead of its current trajectory without the shooting then it would have been the biggest drop off for any record breaking blockbuster ever. If you look at any of the past films that blew BO charts away they didn't suddenly just bomb after the first week (yes, in this context the declines you are suggesting would be a bomb). The low would have been $560m easily, the high at $590.

Also, the idea that this wouldn't have generated extremely high WOM is just silly. As I said before, people were looking forward to seeing the conclusion of TDK, not see more of the Joker. Everyone knew the Joker wouldn't be in it and the film was still on track to crush TDK's opening. The film was marketed and pushed completely as the conclusion to the TDK Trilogy. That's what got people to go out and see it in the first place. It was a cultural phenomenon on the level of TDK in its own right; it was the conclusion to a legendary trilogy and thus the conclusion to an era basically. People who didn't even see TDK in theaters were going to go see this movie because it permeated in the culture so much. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree but you're selling the film extremely short if you think it wouldn't have blown past TDK even with increased ticket prices and inflation taken into account for the total number.

[ultimatefan]

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent

I'm sorry but to say it would have made $500m max is ridiculous. It was on track to blow out TDK in its opening week and suffered devastating declines on the second and third weeks because of the shootings. If it were to end up only $20-40m ahead of its current trajectory without the shooting then it would have been the biggest drop off for any record breaking blockbuster ever. If you look at any of the past films that blew BO charts away they didn't suddenly just bomb after the first week (yes, in this context the declines you are suggesting would be a bomb). The low would have been $560m easily, the high at $590.

Also, the idea that this wouldn't have generated extremely high WOM is just silly. As I said before, people were looking forward to seeing the conclusion of TDK, not see more of the Joker. Everyone knew the Joker wouldn't be in it and the film was still on track to crush TDK's opening. The film was marketed and pushed completely as the conclusion to the TDK Trilogy. That's what got people to go out and see it in the first place. It was a cultural phenomenon on the level of TDK in its own right; it was the conclusion to a legendary trilogy and thus the conclusion to an era basically. People who didn't even see TDK in theaters were going to go see this movie because it permeated in the culture so much. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree but you're selling the film extremely short.

Not to mention, after the movie opened, people at Cinemascope rated it A. RT critics rated it 87% fresh and users 93%, and it´s currently rated 8,9 at IMDB, so clearly the movie was quite well-received.

[Cory]

Did any of the TDK Trilogy ticket sales go to BB and TDK's Box office #'s?

[Liam_H]

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent

I'm sorry but to say it would have made $500m max is ridiculous. It was on track to blow out TDK in its opening week and suffered devastating declines on the second and third weeks because of the shootings.

How are you so sure of this? TDKR dropped decently in the subsequent weeks, not as great as the TDK but it didn't bomb.

If it were to end up only $20-40m ahead of its current trajectory without the shooting then it would have been the biggest drop off for any record breaking blockbuster ever.

Somewhat deceptive considering TDK had really great legs. Pretty hard to get over 3.0 weekend multiplier from such a huge weekend. So the dropoff seems higher because of that.

If you look at any of the past films that blew BO charts away they didn't suddenly just bomb after the first week (yes, in this context the declines you are suggesting would be a bomb). The low would have been $560m easily, the high at $590.

You're talking as if TDKR dropped like Potter/Twilight. It hasn't.

[georgec]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/...night-overseas

Passed TDK in overseas haul. Not bad.