State your unpopular film related opinion - Part 10

[Majik1387]

Originally Posted by CConn

Haven't we been over this "you're usually wrong" thing before?

[Parker Wayne]

Originally Posted by CConn

Avengers is on the other side of the spectrum for me. I can get very, um, sophisticated about its flaws...but I still definitely enjoy it for what it is.

I wouldn't call it base level entertainment and while I do think that TDKR does have depth, I think you overlook the depth of the Avengers. Obviously, it's not deep along the lines of Nolan's bat movies, but there is depth and "subtext" there.

Such as the allusion the superheroes are nuclear weapons. The Avengers initiative was disbanded and they looked into more powerful nuclear (or nuclear like) technology. Also, Banner saying here a ticking time bomb. Also, when Iron Man throws the nuclear bomb into space it suggests that in the MCU, the potency of superheroes and villains are more destructive than a nuclear bomb.

[bullets]

Originally Posted by gwynplaine

As flawed as it is, I still think that Apocalypse Now is a powerful and brilliant cinematic achievement. My main problem with it is actually Sheen. I don't find him scary, dangerous or fatal enough to convincingly portray the angel of death. Everybody should be more afraid of this guy on the boat and I think Sheen is miscast. I imagine a young De Niro, Walken, heck even Clint Eastwood as Willard and I see a better movie in my head I still wonder why Keitel was fired after a couple weeks shooting?

I thought Sheen was good but he did lack some intensity. Those are some great choices. I was looking up reasons for Keitel being fired and found out we almost got Lynda Carter playing one of the Playboy playmates....

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1397...id-like-to-see

[bullets]

Originally Posted by Figs

Unpopular opinion...

I liked all three actors who played the Punisher and wish at least one of them was given a sequel to be in.

I don't know why they haven't tried to capitalize on the straight to dvd market with one of these films. I'd go with any one of them. At the very least we get a decent shoot em up.

[gwynplaine]

Originally Posted by bullets

I thought Sheen was good but he did lack some intensity. Those are some great choices. I was looking up reasons for Keitel being fired and found out we almost got Lynda Carter playing one of the Playboy playmates....

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1397...id-like-to-see

Cool find, thanks for the link bullets.

[CConn]

Originally Posted by Parker Wayne

I wouldn't call it base level entertainment and while I do think that TDKR does have depth, I think you overlook the depth of the Avengers. Obviously, it's not deep along the lines of Nolan's bat movies, but there is depth and "subtext" there.

Such as the allusion the superheroes are nuclear weapons. The Avengers initiative was disbanded and they looked into more powerful nuclear (or nuclear like) technology. Also, Banner saying here a ticking time bomb. Also, when Iron Man throws the nuclear bomb into space it suggests that in the MCU, the potency of superheroes and villains are more destructive than a nuclear bomb.

I didn't infer The Avengers was base.

And don't lecture me on its subtext. I'm well aware of exactly what the film is - both when it misses and when it hits.

[Parker Wayne]

Originally Posted by CConn

I didn't infer The Avengers was base.

And don't lecture me on its subtext. I'm well aware of exactly what the film is - both when it misses and when it hits.

See, I don't think you do. I think you refuse to look deeper into the Avengers.

This is my interpretation of "subtext". Film is interpretation, anyway.

[Max J Power]

Originally Posted by Figs

Unpopular opinion...

I liked all three actors who played the Punisher and wish at least one of them was given a sequel to be in.

I haven't seen Dolph's, but I thought Thomas Jane and Ray Stevenson were both good Punishers, and both movies are kind of underrated. Punisher '04 was a solid revenge story with some really good character moments, and War Zone is one of the more entertaining "so bad it's good" movies I've seen.

[Matt Mortem]

I liked Jersey Girl

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I can't agree with the Thomas Jane characterization of the Punisher. Maybe it is based off the comics, but I just don't like it. The Popsicle scene for instance, my Punisher would have actually tortured the guy, gotten the info, and then killed him. Did Jane's Punisher really need the guy after he squealed? Now I understand that that would be very grim and possibly make Frank Castle unlikable to the audience, and why they chose to go against that for the movie.

I'll always love War Zone for putting the hardcore Frank Castle on camera. He kills a 100 year old, wheelchair bound, piss-bag carrying mob boss just because and then slaughters everyone else at the party.

[ChickenScratch]

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg Bop

I can't agree with the Thomas Jane characterization of the Punisher. Maybe it is based off the comics, but I just don't like it. The Popsicle scene for instance, my Punisher would have actually tortured the guy, gotten the info, and then killed him. Did Jane's Punisher really need the guy after he squealed? Now I understand that that would be very grim and possibly make Frank Castle unlikable to the audience, and why they chose to go against that for the movie.

I'll always love War Zone for putting the hardcore Frank Castle on camera. He kills a 100 year old, wheelchair bound, piss-bag carrying mob boss just because and then slaughters everyone else at the party.

But that popcicle scene is from the comics, pretty inconic moment. Here is the page. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MlTLu5ewC8...+blowtorch.jpg

The Punisher didnt torture and kill the guy because it doesnt serve his long term goal of destorying the Saints. Frank is aa master of psychological warfare which he used to tear them apart from the inside. He's also a master of using spies, which the tortured character's role. He used the information he coould get from one he could see was weak and not really commited to the Saint cause.

The Art Of War Chapter 13.
7. Hence the use of spies, of whom there are five classes: (1) Local spies; (2) inward spies; (3) converted spies; (4) doomed spies; (5) surviving spies.
8. When these five kinds of spy are all at work, none can discover the secret system. 1 This is called 2 "divine manipulation of the threads."
16. They cannot be properly managed without benevolence and straightforwardness.
17. Without subtle ingenuity of mind, one cannot make certain of the truth of their reports
20. Whether the object be to crush an army, to storm a city, or to assassinate an individual, it is always necessary to begin by finding out the names of the attendants, 1 the aides-de-camp, 2 the door-keepers and sentries 3 of the general in command. 4 Our spies must be commissioned to ascertain these

[Eddie Dean]

Originally Posted by CConn

Honestly, I've never seen him in anything else.

Except for TASM.

Watch Badlands. Now.

[Ipodman]

Yep, I like War Zone too...

[CapedCrusader14]

I actually finished watching The Avengers about half an hour ago and did notice more subtext than the first time I saw it. It's sort of a hit and miss when it tries though.

[ChickenScratch]

Here's one that'll knock you guys for a loop. I didnt see the Avengers. Didnt care to at all. In fact I've not seen most of the Marvel movies, last one I watched was IM2.

Not that I hate Marvel or anything of the sort. It's just that most movies I would rather wait and see at home ... if in fact I care to see them at all.

I saw Batman, everything else I'll wait for on DVD.

[grout]

Yeah Avengers was good,, a tad overhyped.. I swear there were some scences that reminded me of the Dolph He-Man movie. Anybody else get that vibe? I really thought Loki was having a chat with skeletor at one point.

[CConn]

Here's an unpopular opinion...

I don't like The Incredibles. I've only seen it twice, and I didn't even finish it the second time simply due to not being at all interested in anything that was happening.

[grout]

Originally Posted by CConn

Here's an unpopular opinion...

I don't like The Incredibles. I've only seen it twice, and I didn't even finish it the second time simply due to not being at all interested in anything that was happening.

Thats nothin,, I liked the 1st Batman.... I really did not care for DK or DKR. Matter of fact i was so damn bored in DKR i just about left. I think batman may have been in DKR but if you blinked you probably missed it.

[DyeLorean]

Originally Posted by ChickenScratch

Here's one that'll knock you guys for a loop. I didnt see the Avengers. Didnt care to at all. In fact I've not seen most of the Marvel movies, last one I watched was IM2.

Not that I hate Marvel or anything of the sort. It's just that most movies I would rather wait and see at home ... if in fact I care to see them at all.
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If you do watch The Avengers, I suggest you to watch the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe films (IM, IM 2, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America The First Avenger), because (a big) part of the charm in the Avengers is to see how each character that you've seen individually clash with the other characters and personalities. It's something I, personally, haven't previously seen on the screen, and it was so much fun.

[ChickenScratch]

I've seen some of them and I know they are connected. Just not interested especially.

[Ipodman]

Originally Posted by CConn

Here's an unpopular opinion...

I don't like The Incredibles. I've only seen it twice, and I didn't even finish it the second time simply due to not being at all interested in anything that was happening.

I won't say I didn't like it, but Incredibles is probably my least favourite Pixar film.

[Majik1387]

But seriously, I can't see how that can be the least liked Pixar film when they have **** like the Cars movies and Ratatouille.

[Ipodman]

I cried in Ratatouille.. And I love both Cars 1 and 2.

[Homer J. Fong]

I really wanted to like Cars 2, and I didn't dislike it...but I didn't like it. I do really like the first, though.

[I Am Jack's...]

I just finished watching Blade Runner (the Final Cut version) for the first time, and I have to say, I just don't get it. The film, I mean. I was looking forward to watching it and I wanted to love it, but it seemed to bizarre. Something just felt...off...about it the entire time. I can't really describe it. I just don't understand it. I'll try to watch it again, but man, one of the most perplexing movies I've ever watched.

Anyone who's seen it, is this out of the ordinary or something? Does it take multiple viewings for BR to sink in? Or is it because I watched the Final Cut version? I don't know man.

However, dat cinematography. Srsly. It looks way better than a lot of modern films.