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Old 09-07-2012, 06:20 PM   #26
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The only way they could go bigger than Avengers is to have them face the MoE.I'm all for it!It'd be cool to see the Heroes facing different villains.(Thor vs Abomination,Iron Man Vs Red Skull,Etc)

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Baron Z will be in Cap2
Kurse from Thor2.
Abomination and the Leader from TIH
Radioactive Man from IM3
Take your pick from Ant-Man: Whirlwind, Shocker, Egghead, Beetle, Fixer

Ant-man could be the Marvel Cinematic Universe's way to introduce science-based bad guys. Appropriate foils for Earth's Scientist Supreme. As Dr. Pym continues to suffer from inferiority and schizophrenia, he accidentally develops the greatest threat to life on Earth, Ultron, at the end of his movie just in time for A2. Because let's face it, he is a giant f***-*p.

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Baron Z will be in Cap2
Kurse from Thor2.
Abomination and the Leader from TIH
Radioactive Man from IM3
Take your pick from Ant-Man: Whirlwind, Shocker, Egghead, Beetle, Fixer

Ant-man could be the Marvel Cinematic Universe's way to introduce science-based bad guys. Appropriate foils for Earth's Scientist Supreme. As Dr. Pym continues to suffer from inferiority and schizophrenia, he accidentally develops the greatest threat to life on Earth, Ultron, at the end of his movie just in time for A2. Because let's face it, he is a giant f***-*p.

Great team, except for the Leader. The team needs 1 Type A-character and a bunch of henchmen.

I also think all of the best MOE teams have at least one woman.

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I think that particular team actually fits that. Kurse, Abom, Radioactiv MAn, Whirlwind, all henchies. Zemo is certainly not. It's not the way I would go, but it works.

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I think that particular team actually fits that. Kurse, Abom, Radioactiv MAn, Whirlwind, all henchies. Zemo is certainly not. It's not the way I would go, but it works.
He had The Leader on the team.

I'd probably stick Moonstone, or Enchantress somewhere on the team. Keep it from being a super sausage fest.

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Haha, I realized that later that day my mind flashed back and I realized you had capitalized Leader for a reason. I think MCU Leader is a little less... leader-like, but then it doesn't make sense to call him the Leader if he's not a leader, either...

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Haha, I realized that later that day my mind flashed back and I realized you had capitalized Leader for a reason. I think MCU Leader is a little less... leader-like, but then it doesn't make sense to call him the Leader if he's not a leader, either...

I see your point, but I think Baron Z forms the team based on his ego, charisma, and natural leadership. Dr. Sammy Sterns, "The Leader" in name only at the beginning, is clever enough to let Baron Z lead the team while manipulating him and sneakily usurping his power. Once he has the reins of the MOE, enter the follow-up movie: Hulk 2: Gamma Ray Boogaloo.

And I agree, let's get some estrogen on the team. Spider-woman, re-named for obvious reasons, in her yummy costume, could be a double agent of Hydra and SHIELD, and would be a great foil for Natasha. Moonstone? Moondragon (Guardians of the Galaxy riff)? After defeating the Avengers, the could all eat Moon pies at some obscure NY deli.

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Old 09-23-2012, 01:06 AM   #33
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I think A reformed Hydra led by Zemo or Red Skull if he's back makes sense as the big entity for shield and Cap to go up against. I have a hard time thinking they would form an actual team though..these are volatile angry people...I don't see them agreeing on much.

Having hydra break out The Abomination would make for a good sequence though, and maybe we get to see a Hulkbuster Ironman suit that Tony made, just in case...

I'm not sure what the best group would be though not knowing who all will be available after the phase 2 and 3 films.

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Baron Zemo
Enchantress
Executioner
Radioactive Man
Wonder Man

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I can actually completely see this happening now. It seems like they seem to be setting up many villains happening. Maybe having Ultron summon the team or something.

We got the manderin, we got radioactive man, who ever is pulling bucky's strings, possible zeemo, malekith, abomination, and then maybe have Ultron be the team leader. i can totally see them set this up

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what about
Justin Hammer in his own armor
Crossbones (if he's introduced in cap 2)
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Enchantress and Executioner (with an intro at the end of Thor: TDW)
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The Sinister Six.

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That Master of Evil would be a great enemy for the team to face because it would show that the Avengers aren't just alien fighters, it is a real possibility that the Avengers will face more cosmic threats like Thanos in the next two films and become almost type casted as fighting aliens and cosmic threats.
But they also fight super criminals, and terrorists. So the Masters of Evil would be a great enemy for them to face. To show that they can face evil abroad and at home. They will face evil from space, Earth, under the sea, from another dimension, where ever it rears its ugly head.

Masters of Evil:
Baron Zemo (even if he isn't introduced in a Cap film this film could establish he was a threat to Cap back in WWII.
Executioner and Enchantress
Abomination might be fun to re-establish but I'd be fine without him too.
Crossbones (sort of the evil version of Hawkeye and Black Widow, him being a trained assassin/mercenary)
Melter might be a fun enemy for Iron Man, but I also like the idea of Hammer returning but this time with armor of his own.
And what about Absorbing Man?
Just listing a few characters who could be on the team. I imagine them only having one film, but the individual characters like Enchantress showing up in Thor as well and even Thor 2 and 3. Zemo and/or Crossbones could be in Cap 2.
How about Sin, Skull's daughter? Depends on what happens with the Skull in Cap 2 I guess.

I am thinking the Masters of Evil should look more human and not way out there super powerful enemies like Radioactive Man, Absorbing Man, Abomination, etc. And more characters like Zemo, Crossbones, Sin, Enchantress and Executioner, Melter, Madam Mask,

OK, so here is an idea
Cap = Zemo
Iron Man = Madam Mask
Thor = Enchantress and Executioner
Hawkeye and Black Widow = Crossbones (and maybe Sin)
Hulk = Absorbing Man or Abomination (not sure here)

What do you guys think? Should they more human terrorists like this:





Ore more fantastic and powerful like this:





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They probably need like one or two creature-looking guys just for the spectacle. It's funny seeing Hulk beat the **** out of a humanoid, but the awesome factor is ramped up when he's fighting a creature on par or bigger than himself.

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Crossbones would be ideal paired with Baron Zemo in Captain America 2.

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They probably need like one or two creature-looking guys just for the spectacle. It's funny seeing Hulk beat the **** out of a humanoid, but the awesome factor is ramped up when he's fighting a creature on par or bigger than himself.
Well, makes sense, If you look at the line up in Avengers 1 it was Hawkeye and Black Widow, and a bunch of SHIELD agents and 3 super types (Iron Man, Thor, Captain America), and a monsterous force of destruction (Hulk).
So the Masters of Evil could be human terrorists with guns like Crossbones and Zemo and Sin and Madam Masque, and then some super types like Executioner and Enchantress and maybe Melter too.

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Crossbones would be ideal paired with Baron Zemo in Captain America 2.
I could've sworn I read a rumor that crossbones was in Cap2.

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As long as they do it well, with mo-cap vs mo-cap, Animation vs Animation in TIH didn't work out too spectacularly.

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I would say it's because of that groan inducing name.

Cue 'Hurr durr if you don't like cheese don't like superheroes' comments but it's true, the name is fairly ridiculous. Take your fanboy hat off for a moment and think about what the average movie goer would think of it.

Plus there are other alternatives if you want a supervillain team to match the Avengers.
You're right, but it's all about how you play it.

Like, look at The Joker in The Dark Knight. All his talk about how the mob is pathetic because they only care about money, his "this city deserves a better class of criminal," it's pretty clear he's talking about super villains. This is a guy who fetishizes crime and social deviancy for their own sake and believes the world deserves to have criminals operating on the level of the great villains from stories. A character like that I could totally buy forming a group called The Masters of Evil.

Not so say that they should rip off The Dark Knight, but if they build up Zemo's motivations and personality the right way, a name like the Masters of Evil could work. Play him less like a bond villain and more like a serial killer who fantasizes about being a creature from nightmares operating on a global political scale and it would work pretty well.

Like, play Zemo as a seemingly harmless Eurotrash playboy grandson of a Nazi war criminal who has underworld ties. He seems like an air headed party boy who's only of note because of the dirty deeds his grandfather did and his low level criminal connections. Then you peel that back and we find out it's a Patrick Bateman deal: The shallow, promiscuous trust fund kid is a mask hiding an emotionally hollow sociopath with no sense of direction or purpose in his life, fueled only by a cold, gnawing frustration born from the shadow his grandfather's actions cast over the family and his own inability to escape it or to live up to anything worthwhile or find any meaning in the roles laid out for him by the life he was born into. Then, Captain America re-emerges, The Avengers become a thing, and he realizes that "old fashioned notions" of heroism and valor don't have to be relegated to the past, so much like Patrick Bateman worked out his existential crisis by becoming a serial killer, Zemo works out his by reinventing himself as a super villain and forming an anti-Avengers, becoming a post modern version of his war-criminal grandfather and finally finding a way to live up to the Zemo name.

I could see a guy like that calling his team the Masters of Evil.

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I'm hoping that they set them up in other movies. They can't explain the background of 4-6 completely different villains in one movie. Here's what I'm thinking.

Baron Zemo and Crossbones show up in Captain America 2 and return here.

Enchantress and Executioner return here after appearing in Thor 3 and bring along Abomination to compete with Hulk's muscle.

Melter could have some benefit somewhere. He could never hold a movie by himself of course, but he's a perfect secondary villain.

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Or.....and bear with me here....they could just call themselves The Masters, as a counterpoint to The Avengers.

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I would think that MoE would lend itself well to Avengers 2, and the reason being Fury's explanation for Phase 2 in The Avengers...

"The world's filling up with people who can't be matched, they can't be controlled."

So The Avengers put it's focus on extra-teresstrial threats to the Earth, and it makes sense. However, it's obvious from Fury's line, as well as what we know from TIH, Iron Man 2 and Thor, that SHIELD is just as concerned about threats here on Earth, which Phase 2 was supposed to deal with.

The Masters of Evil fits the bill here. Super-villians, with a plot to take over the world. Who is going to stop them? Most of these villians are hard enough for 1 hero to match:

Iron Man vs Mandarin
Hulk vs Abomination
Cap vs Red Skull or Zemo
Thor vs Enchantress or Loki

If even two of these villians team up for any reason, they are likely more than a single hero can handle. That's why MoE vs The Avengers makes so much sense. How else do you portray a threat from here on Earth, in such a way that it's too big for a single hero to handle?

The only other threat here on Earth which is that big, is Ultron. But with Ant-Man scheduled for release AFTER Avengers 2, it's not likely we'll see Ultron portrayed.

Then, you have the Thanos link. Using Thanos, you could easily adapt the story from AEMH where it was Loki pulling the MoE's strings, only in this case, it would be Thanos pulling the strings, to further his own agenda. This would serve to incorporate Thanos to Avengers 2 in a minor capacity, which would then save him as the "main event" for a possible Avengers 3.

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^ I like that most. Ideally, I'd want to see Thanos pulling the MoE along in Avengers 2 while he quietly gathers the Infinity Gauntlet. I would re-use Loki in Avengers. He should be re-established as Thor's issue primarily, not something the Avengers will have to continually worry about.


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Like, look at The Joker in The Dark Knight. All his talk about how the mob is pathetic because they only care about money, his "this city deserves a better class of criminal," it's pretty clear he's talking about super villains. This is a guy who fetishizes crime and social deviancy for their own sake and believes the world deserves to have criminals operating on the level of the great villains from stories. A character like that I could totally buy forming a group called The Masters of Evil.

Not so say that they should rip off The Dark Knight, but if they build up Zemo's motivations and personality the right way, a name like the Masters of Evil could work. Play him less like a bond villain and more like a serial killer who fantasizes about being a creature from nightmares operating on a global political scale and it would work pretty well.

Like, play Zemo as a seemingly harmless Eurotrash playboy grandson of a Nazi war criminal who has underworld ties. He seems like an air headed party boy who's only of note because of the dirty deeds his grandfather did and his low level criminal connections. Then you peel that back and we find out it's a Patrick Bateman deal: The shallow, promiscuous trust fund kid is a mask hiding an emotionally hollow sociopath with no sense of direction or purpose in his life, fueled only by a cold, gnawing frustration born from the shadow his grandfather's actions cast over the family and his own inability to escape it or to live up to anything worthwhile or find any meaning in the roles laid out for him by the life he was born into. Then, Captain America re-emerges, The Avengers become a thing, and he realizes that "old fashioned notions" of heroism and valor don't have to be relegated to the past, so much like Patrick Bateman worked out his existential crisis by becoming a serial killer, Zemo works out his by reinventing himself as a super villain and forming an anti-Avengers, becoming a post modern version of his war-criminal grandfather and finally finding a way to live up to the Zemo name.

I could see a guy like that calling his team the Masters of Evil.
You're way too good at that. I hope you're writing something somewhere. But I don't think there are 5-6 villains who would sign up for "Masters of Evil" without it being a stretch. Perhaps he bills it as the Masters, and only in the end does Zemo's full madness come out in front of his peers he slides in that dialogue in reply to some point. "Masters of Evil, of course..."

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The most ideal roster for the Masters of Evil, only based on what we know, would probably be:
Thanos (Pulling the strings)
Baron Zemo
Crossbones
Abomination
Kurse
Radioactive Man

I could see characters like the Mandarin, the Leader, Malekith, Justin Hammer, and even characters not yet confirmed or introduced to be in the roster, but my list is only based around what we already know.

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