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Old 10-17-2012, 09:01 AM   #26
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wow.The stuff with
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My suspecion Is In rewrite
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They toned down the stuff with Yuriko.I can see her and wolverine having sex after Mariko Is forced Into arranged marriage


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Old 10-17-2012, 09:26 AM   #27
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wow.The stuff with
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Not just Yukio. Everything in the screenplay warrants an R rating.

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They toned down the stuff with Yuriko.I can see her and wolverine having sex after Mariko Is forced Into arranged marriage
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So, in the screenplay, does
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who did Wolverine have a duel with? Shingen?
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:46 AM   #28
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Thanks.Yep everthing mentioned suggested an r rating was were they were
aiming to here

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Yuriko It seems she was changed.In breakdown from first draft she was mentioned as Wolverine's bodyguard who shares attraction to wolverine who Is secretly working for shingen but becomes more on wolverine's side.As for ending the ending of mariko would probally resemble last stand a bit too much


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I am hoping for 2 duels vs Shingen.1 where he defeats Wolverine and the other where wolverine kills him.I am hoping wolverine has to go through the silver samuri to get to shingen for final duel.If they keep Mariko being killed at end my suspecion Is eather the SS,or Viper or Both are responable.If we can have wolverine going through a group of ninjas,then the silver samurai,and finally SHingen that would be great to see onscreen

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Old 10-17-2012, 09:53 AM   #29
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On a side note, I'm really worried about what lastairbender pointed out in the Silver Sam thread.

What if FOX gave up the rights to The Hand when they gave up Daredevil?

That would severely compromise the screenplay. I mean, the script still works if the ninja go by a different name, but the comic lore it beautifully established by linking them directly to Wolverine is just too great to give up - specially the way it
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:29 AM   #30
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The more details I read of Aronofsky's script, the more frustrated I get that it couldn't work out with him.

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Old 10-17-2012, 11:42 AM   #31
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agreed.At time of his deptarue I wasn't exactly sad since I remember reports on Batman year One draft he worked with Frank Miller with but It's clear from what I hear on this
draft the crap of that draft was much more Miller's fault than his.

It seems while there were changes the spirit of storyline was captured and he had an excellent take on Wolverine.

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Old 10-17-2012, 12:11 PM   #32
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The more details I read of Aronofsky's script, the more frustrated I get that it couldn't work out with him.
I'm hoping Mangold did with The Wolverine what Spielberg did with A.I. - he shot Kubrick's script word for word.

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I'm hoping Mangold did with The Wolverine what Spielberg did with A.I. - he shot Kubrick's script word for word.
Well, it doesn't sound like it given the info you provided on the differences between what we know now and what you say was in the Aronofsky version.

I'm beginning to wonder if unfavourable studio reaction to the hard R nature of that early draft was part of the reason Aronofsky left.

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Old 10-17-2012, 01:55 PM   #34
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Probably, seems to be the problem with Dedapool as well.

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Old 10-17-2012, 02:26 PM   #35
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I'm hoping Mangold did with The Wolverine what Spielberg did with A.I. - he shot Kubrick's script word for word.
I really hope so. Those scene descriptions were way beyond my initial expectations. I wondered if a Wolverine film would actually be made in this fashion. Murder plots, sex, debauchery. The ground certainly needs to be broken at some point for this kind of adaptation. It wouldn't happen at MS. Just another reason I'm pissed Fox lost Daredevil. No way something like Born Again could be done now. For various reasons.

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Well, it doesn't sound like it given the info you provided on the differences between what we know now and what you say was in the Aronofsky version.

I'm beginning to wonder if unfavourable studio reaction to the hard R nature of that early draft was part of the reason Aronofsky left.
Same here.

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It wouldn't surprise me. At this point it's about degees. Just how much of Aronofsky's script was compromised? From what I've seen of Mangold, he does strike me as more then just a hired hand for a studio.

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well it is not like script isn't gonna be solid the script was already praised when mcquarrie originally wrote it before darren' name was even in the discussion

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It seems like to me they went back more to Mcquarrie's draft with bringing back Viper Into script,beefing her role up,and adding a world war II prison camp sequenze at begining and possibly dropping the hand.It remains to be seen what remains of Aronofsky's draft.

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It seems like to me they went back more to Mcquarrie's draft with bringing back Viper Into script,beefing her role up,and adding a world war II prison camp sequenze at begining and possibly dropping the hand.It remains to be seen what remains of Aronofsky's draft.
This.

Aronofsky definitely retooled McQuarrie's script. Made it darker, brought in sex, drugs & brutal violence.

With McQuarrie it was PG-13. With Aronofsky it became hard R all the way.

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I really hope so. Those scene descriptions were way beyond my initial expectations. I wondered if a Wolverine film would actually be made in this fashion. Murder plots, sex, debauchery. The ground certainly needs to be broken at some point for this kind of adaptation. It wouldn't happen at MS. Just another reason I'm pissed Fox lost Daredevil. No way something like Born Again could be done now. For various reasons.
Agreed on all points.

When I first heard Aronofsky was directing, I knew there was potential for this to be the next CBM to transcend the genre.

But up until last month, I hadn't read the script.

Wishful thinking became a reality in a way I never expected. I expected something good, but nothing even close to this.

He brought the Wolverine legend down to our level. Made his world real & brutal.

I think there's still a chance Mangold & Bomback didn't completely rewrite his draft.

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Those who read the script,

so Yashida is Mariko's father?

Yashida arrange Mariko to be married to Noburo or Shingen?

Mariko doesn't fight? She's a love interest? A damsel in distress?

Yukio works for Yashida? Noburo? Shingen?

Yukio is good or bad?

Logan is the only mutant in the film?

So does Viper has a huge part? She is like Mystique?

How many fight scenes are there?

Who dies in this movie? Does Mariko dies in this movie?

Does Silver Samurai have a large role in this?

Who does Viper works for?

Thank you very much

after they answer all those questions I guess you can stay home since it would be pointless too see the movie....right??

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after they answer all those questions I guess you can stay home since it would be pointless too see the movie....right??
I take it you're not one to read screenplays prior to a film's release. I'm actually the same, but since Aronofsky left & the draft I read was rewritten by Bomback & Mangold, I figured what the hell?

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Yashida arrange Mariko to be married to Noburo or Shingen?
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Mariko doesn't fight? She's a love interest? A damsel in distress?
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Yukio works for Noburo? Shingen?
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She works for Shingen.


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Yukio is good or bad?
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Both. For a time she's exactly what Logan needs & then things go sour.


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So does Viper have a huge part? She is like Mystique?
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Aronofsky's script does not feature Viper, so I don't know.


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How many fight scenes are there?
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Plenty.


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Who dies in this movie? Does Mariko die in this movie?
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In the screenplay, ALOT of people die. Mariko's one of them.


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Does Silver Samurai have a large role in this?
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Not a huge role, but one large enough to be quite fulfilling.


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Again, she's not in the draft I read, but the cast sheet that leaked from McQuarrie's final draft listed her as Noburo's secretary/henchwoman.


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Thank you very much.
Just remember, the draft I read went through rewrites by Bomback & Mangold, so the film we're getting might a completely different film than the one I read. I really hope everything stays the same, but you don't pay writers to do nothing.


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Yeah, I don't see Fox allowing the uncomfortable sex scenes in a Wolverine movie
We've been over this, and there's no way theyre going R rated on their biggest franchise

That does all sound pretty cool tho
Marvel should let Aronofsky write the Wolverine MAX series for a while
or just novel-ize his script

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Yeah, I don't see Fox allowing the uncomfortable sex scenes in a Wolverine movie
We've been over this, and there's no way theyre going R rated on their biggest franchise

That does all sound pretty cool tho
Marvel should let Aronofsky write the Wolverine MAX series for a while
or just novel-ize his script
I think FOX was willing to let Aronofsky run wild with this one. BLACK SWAN made what First Class made with 1/10 of its production cost & a heavy R-rating.

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Yeah maybe, but I could see a big fight occurring during editing when they wanted to take out a few touchier elements and he wouldn't have it.

Honestly, some of the info you shared is a bit too perverse for wolverine, even to me.

I like my wolverine violent and womanizing, but getting off on watching Yukio torture or seduce someone? Bit over the line for a lotta people, I'd imagine

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Yeah maybe, but I could see a big fight occurring during editing when they wanted to take out a few touchier elements and he wouldn't have it.

Honestly, some of the info you shared is a bit too perverse for wolverine, even to me.

I like my wolverine violent and womanizing, but getting off on watching Yukio torture or seduce someone? Bit over the line for a lotta people, I'd imagine
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So I guess he's between a rock and a hard place.

He's undoubtedly the "good guy" in the story. He's simply surrounded by low people in low places (the real world).

On a side note, as long as studios keep these characters on safe ground, the genre will not be able to evolve. Aronofsky's script is transcendent because it isn't safe.

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Not safe doesn't equal good, however. Given the posts on this script, while I like elements of it, I think it goes beyond a Wolverine movie in a few regards.
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Like someone else said, Wolverine being aroused someone being seduced/tortured before his eyes is not really Wolverine, IMO.

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Not safe doesn't equal good, however. Given the posts on this script, while I like elements of it, I think it goes beyond a Wolverine movie in a few regards.
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Like someone else said, Wolverine being aroused someone being seduced/tortured before his eyes is not really Wolverine, IMO.
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torture is not the right word. She publicly molests the woman into seduction on the train while he watches uncomfortably. The guy's not cheering them on nor is Yukio physically harming this woman. He just watches. He watches until he - like the woman, just lets himself go.


To me the scene accentuates the decline in his character after he's torn from Mariko. Sex, murder & drugs are tools he uses to grieve.

Wolverine is all about the struggle between the man & the beast. Yukio brings out the animal. Like, really brings it out. The things he does for her are gruesome.

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torture is not the right word. She publicly molests the woman into seduction on the train while he watches uncomfortably. The guy's not cheering them on nor is Yukio physically harming this woman.


To me the scene accentuates the decline in his character after he's torn from Mariko. Sex, murder & drugs are tools he uses to grieve.

Wolverine is all about the struggle between the man & the beast. Yukio brings out the animal. Like, really brings it out. The things he does for her are gruesome.
Exactly. And while I've always held to the belief that wolverine is a good and decent person at his core, he has done things in his life that are truly horrible. A part of him likes the darkness and is attracted to it, and he's gone to some very, very dark places.

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