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Old 09-19-2012, 04:50 PM   #976
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That happens with everyone really, Silver Surfer is faster than just about everyone yet he never uses that faster than light travel when facing Thor or Gladiator or Hulk or any other petty creature that tries his patience.
Gladiator and Thor are able to travel faster than light too so that's not really an adavantage over them.

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It is when you got the munchies.

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Old 09-19-2012, 05:00 PM   #978
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It is when you got the munchies.
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Oh, I don't deny that lots of characters conveniently forget their abilities all the time. Its just, don't go acting like that fight says anything meaningful about the Hulk besides "I am more popular than Gladiator."

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Gladiator has some nice feats, but he also has some bad ones. Still he is generally in the same power range as Hulk, Thor, Superman.

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Eh, his bad feats, by and large, are in the same category as stuff like Superman being stunned by an exploding gas station, or Hulk being strangled by a snake: so out of whack as to be irrelevant.

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Eh, his bad feats, by and large, are in the same category as stuff like Superman being stunned by an exploding gas station, or Hulk being strangled by a snake: so out of whack as to be irrelevant.
Or Thor being KO'd by rubble falling from a building.

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Ironman, with the help of droids(I'm sure if asked, Tony Stark of all people could muster them up after the events of IM2), could have handled that invasion on his own. Especially if he considered the nuke option earlier. (the real difficulty would have been closing the portal).

Cap/Thor and the rest of them really were just around for cool moments..but I digress.


Something I love about Zack Snyder is that he actually follows source material(obviously watchmen's ending needed changing). His casting and characterization are good examples of this. Unlike say a Nolan, who isn't using the current batman in his films, or a raimi, who's spidey was..different.

I expect Snyder to really take note of Superman true strength level/speed level etc.

Last I check, superman could lift the great pyramid.

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DAMN! That's a bit much... isn't it? lol Still there is a part of me that thinks it's cool. I can use this in my vs. arguments

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I don't really care about the vs. stuff, I just like Superman extremely powerful.

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DAMN! That's a bit much... isn't it? lol Still there is a part of me that thinks it's cool. I can use this in my vs. arguments
As long as there is a Hulk and Billy Batson is the world mightiest mortal, it's never too much.

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As long as there is a Hulk and Billy Batson is the world mightiest mortal, it's never too much.
Oh I think it's awesome don't get me wrong.

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That's ridiculously powerful. He could literally make earth his personal treadmill. I really don't see the point of making him THAT strong. In the same comic it is also mentioned that he can toss the moon out of orbit. Seriously!? I love Superman being really powerful, but that's crossing the line and taking a s*** on it. The only thing more powerful than that is his ego. What next, Superman and Zod fly into space and use planets like a snowball fight? It's funny yet it's sad.

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Does these characters include Supes?
I think so. Others may feel he should be completely transcendent of Earth, but especially in his early outings, a nuke should be like a bullet for a normal person. It'll probably kill him. It might not, if he's lucky (and he will be lucky), and it won't vaporize him, but he can't shrug off everything humanity can throw at him physically, which keeps with the theme of him being profoundly affected emotionally by humanity.

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Hypothetically should this new movie superman be strong enough to take on all the mcu avengers at once?
I think so. This has been true of every live action version of Superman, including the mopey teenaged version. I see no reason to change that now.

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Well using the argument people are giving of how thor and hulk had to be tamed power wise as to not make the avengers team irrelevant, i wonder what dc would do in a similar situation with superman in a jl film?

Especially if they want to use this superman?
I like your questions. I say: no, don't tone him down. A JL film that brings together characters from solo films should be off the charts. Let all the characters be at the top of their game. Superman is more powerful than just about everything on the planet. Batman is clever-er than everyone else on the planet. Then turn those into problems for the rest of the team. The scale has to be bigger, because Superman could clean out New York solo, so you have to have a threat that truly is world-sized... but it can be done, and perhaps even affordably with clever writing.

Or you can tone their powers down and do it like Avengers.

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That's ridiculously powerful. He could literally make earth his personal treadmill. I really don't see the point of making him THAT strong. In the same comic it is also mentioned that he can toss the moon out of orbit. Seriously!? I love Superman being really powerful, but that's crossing the line and taking a s*** on it. The only thing more powerful than that is his ego. What next, Superman and Zod fly into space and use planets like a snowball fight? It's funny yet it's sad.
This. When you make your character obscenely powerful, specifically, when they become more powerful than anything on Earth, you remove not only a vast number of physical conflicts as possibilities, but you also remove all the relatable instantly identifiable physical conflicts, and limit your stories to only fantastical extra terrestrial conflicts on a scale that is hard to visualize, and hard to visualize compellingly.

There's a reason DBZ is a soap opera, because without a LOT of emotions tied, blowing up a planet looks 'funny, but sad' and even can be read as projecting confidence issues, like that kid who played superheroes but always wanted 'gravity powers' or some obscene one-hit thing. It makes Superman look like a power gamer... unless you load him down with soap opera (as DBZ does, as Supe did in the silver age) or take him down to the level where there are people, perhaps not many, but a few on the planet who can hurt him. Your Lex Luthors, your Metallos, your Parasites.

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That's ridiculously powerful. He could literally make earth his personal treadmill. I really don't see the point of making him THAT strong. In the same comic it is also mentioned that he can toss the moon out of orbit. Seriously!? I love Superman being really powerful, but that's crossing the line and taking a s*** on it. The only thing more powerful than that is his ego. What next, Superman and Zod fly into space and use planets like a snowball fight? It's funny yet it's sad.

Worldbreaker Hulk

It may be, but so is World Breaker Hulk and his abilty to shake the Earth with one footfall or even do this:





Nobody complained about that being too powerful. In fact the Marvel fans would boast how much more powerful the Hulk was to Superman... even though we have all seen him do this:



And that was pre-New 52.

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My biggest worry for the movie is that they will make him too weak. Everything else looks and sound s great. But we haven't seen how powerful he will be…

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I seriously doubt that will be an issue, unless you actively want pre crisis silver age SuperGod. Nothing about the concept of Superman requires him to be nigh-omnipotent.

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Worldbreaker Hulk

It may be, but so is World Breaker Hulk and his abilty to shake the Earth with one footfall or even do this:





Nobody complained about that being too powerful. In fact the Marvel fans would boast how much more powerful the Hulk was to Superman... even though we have all seen him do this:

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And that was pre-New 52.
The New 52 has nothing to do with it. I also don't care about a competition of power between Hulk and Superman, because over-the-top extreme amounts of strength does not impress me, especially in heroes. The Hulk's primary power is his strength, which is understandable if he's extremely powerful because he really doesn't have much else. Superman has various powers. So, if he's strong enough to toss planets and is extremely fast etc., then he should be powerful enough to repair everything on earth within days and reshape the solar system so that there would be plenty of planets for humans to live. He could even have a prison planet if he wanted. There is little to no challenge at all for Superman, even though his stories are being written to make you believe that there is one.

I've always been turned off by the fact that Superman was written to be that strong, because it makes his stories seem ridiculous. For example, in SR Superman struggled to land a plane, yet could toss an island made of kryptonite into outer space without it breaking in half. The reason why the plane scene is more impressive is because you can see Superman struggle to save the people on that plane and it showed real heroism. If Superman would have just grabbed the plane and landed it as if it was as easy as taking a shower, then it would have just been a really boring scene.

Superman should be powerful, but not enough to lift over 6 sextillion tons and is able to say "Is that all you got?". No one can wrap their mind around just how powerful that is. In that case, earth would literally revolve around him since his mass would be greater. The Titanic was over 50,000 tons and even the ability to lift that is incredible. So why should Superman be strong enough to move planets around when he won't even use it all to REALLY make a difference?

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The New 52 has nothing to do with it.
Now you just lost me. My point was that they are making Superman so strong because the competition has done the same with their character(s) and are boasting about it. My comment about the panel showing Superman throwing a mini-solar system beyond the heliopause (which is actually a phenomenal feat) was only to show that Superman was ridiculously strong even before the New 52 (and post crisis).

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I also don't care about a competition of power between Hulk and Superman, because over-the-top extreme amounts of strength does not impress me, especially in heroes. The Hulk's primary power is his strength, which is understandable if he's extremely powerful because he really doesn't have much else. Superman has various powers. So, if he's strong enough to toss planets and is extremely fast etc., then he should be powerful enough to repair everything on earth within days and reshape the solar system so that there would be plenty of planets for humans to live. He could even have a prison planet if he wanted. There is little to no challenge at all for Superman, even though his stories are being written to make you believe that there is one.
You don't represent everyone nor the majority and the change is being made for that audience. So you ask what's the challenge now that he overpowered? Well if you read the comics you will see that they have introduced more powerful villains (like Hellspoint) for Superman to face. He also is being portrayed as being loved by some and feared by others (a new challenge he has to overcome -- or not).


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I've always been turned off by the fact that Superman was written to be that strong, because it makes his stories seem ridiculous. For example, in SR Superman struggled to land a plane, yet could toss an island made of kryptonite into outer space without it breaking in half. The reason why the plane scene is more impressive is because you can see Superman struggle to save the people on that plane and it showed real heroism. If Superman would have just grabbed the plane and landed it as if it was as easy as taking a shower, then it would have just been a really boring scene.
Yet his comic is one of the top sellers as well as his other franchises (even though he is supposedly so overpowered.


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Superman should be powerful, but not enough to lift over 6 sextillion tons and is able to say "Is that all you got?". No one can wrap their mind around just how powerful that is. In that case, earth would literally revolve around him since his mass would be greater. The Titanic was over 50,000 tons and even the ability to lift that is incredible. So why should Superman be strong enough to move planets around when he won't even use it all to REALLY make a difference?
Superman should be just the way Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster imagined him to be. The invulnerable super-powerful hero who is here to save mankind. If it means that he has to be more powerful than anything made by man (and that would include Hulks) the maybe that should be the way to go. They have tried it with a weaker Superman and all it got us was a lot of disrespect and criticism of the character.

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I seriously doubt that will be an issue, unless you actively want pre crisis silver age SuperGod. Nothing about the concept of Superman requires him to be nigh-omnipotent.
I just want to see him in a good fight.

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You don't represent everyone nor the majority and the change is being made for that audience. So you ask what's the challenge now that he overpowered? Well if you read the comics you will see that they have introduced more powerful villains (like Hellspoint) for Superman to face. He also is being portrayed as being loved by some and feared by others (a new challenge he has to overcome -- or not).
I'm not speaking or even attempting to speak for anyone. I'm simply voicing my opinion FYI, I have been reading some of the comics. It's no surprise that you have mentioned that the challenge for the overpowered Superman is even more powerful villains. Though that doesn't make the stories more interesting to me. As I've said before, over-the-top amounts of power is not impressive to me. What happens if someone just as powerful or more powerful than Superman comes along and decides to spin earth like a spinning top? Also, Superman would have to hold back on a vast amount of power and be extremely careful to not destroy earth and the solar system.

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Who are you speaking for? Sure, Superman may have received criticism form certain fans, but not from myself and some others. Also that "weaker Superman" paved the way for a stronger Superman.

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My biggest worry for the movie is that they will make him too weak. Everything else looks and sound s great. But we haven't seen how powerful he will be…

In a very early interview Snyder said they actually thought about taking all of Superman's powers away in MOS (interview from early 2011), but decided against that in the end. I personally feel his powers will grow as the "Trilogy" does, he will not be nearly as powerful in this movie at the beginning as he will be at the end, its common sense IMO looking at the story and all the Pics/footage shown so far.


It's an origin story writen by Nolan a Goyer for crying out loud, it's expected.

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If a rocket can send him flying so many meters back... don't expect an extremely powered Superman.

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Fom what Ive head om Mos expect Post Crisis levl of Powers.

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When superman is that powerful as the examples above you have to play him as a god and the repercussions/guilt/emotions a man-god feels.

It was done quite well in all-star superman and red son but from what i'm hearing from MOS they want to ground superman so it seems they will take a different approach.

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