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Batman Begins only got nomination for Wally Pfister, but TDK got 8 nominations.
How do you guys think are TDKR chances at the 2013 Oscars? Do you believe the move can fight for a BP nomination, or just for some tech categories? And if only tech, what?
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TDK showed that Batman didn't want civilians literally physically fighting when they're not qualified for it. "That wasn't exactly what I had in mind when I said I wanted to inspire people". Now, I wouldn't have had a problem with some tougher civilians entering the battle, but I think from a visual standpoint it helped reinforce the war theme better to have all the police in their uniforms vs. the mercenaries in their wardrobe. |
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It was never Batman's intention to turn the citizens of Gotham into crimefighters. His quest was to rehabilitate Gotham's police department/structure of justice so evil men could be tried justly for their crimes. "The People" were never meant to take back the city. Hell, Bane mocked Batman's crusade by telling the people at the stadium "Take control of your city!" Again, every time I hear complaints about TDKR they sound more like "Well, I woulda done it this way instead" despite having nothing to do with Nolan's intended vision. Also, how are civilians supposed to stop a terrorist organization filled with armed mercenaries & a nuclear weapon that's keeping the military outside the city? There's a reason the cops are trapped below the city & the bomb is keeping the Army out. Talia & Bane wanted to give the citizens of Gotham false hope. They were waiting for freedom much like the prisoners of the Lazarus Pit - and as with them too, freedom was never coming. Only death. |
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Personally, I'm not even sure I'm all that enthused by the technical/visual spectacle that TDKR represents. Due to runtime limitations, many of the set pieces were surprisingly mediocre due to poor editing.
As well, during later viewings, I came to find the taller aspect ratio of the IMAX scenes actually less grand, epic, and cinematic. It almost had a TV like appearance in regards to how shots were framed. I think Nolan may have actually used the format more effectively in TDK. By reserving it for wide shots and large action spectacles, the format elevated the grandeur of those special moments. It created a larger canvas. In contrast, I find TDKR actually lost some of grandeur and cinematic quality by using IMAX so much in the film. Say what you will, but good old-fashioned anamorphic widescreen composition has certain unique quality to it. |
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Hmm, I'd have to think about that one. For me, Bruce climbing out of the pit in IMAX was just about the most impactful visual I've seen in a film all year, and seemed like the perfect use of the framing and format. Of course, this being the namesake of the movie and an emotionally cathartic payoff to a 3 movie arc didn't hurt the scene any, but it was definitely a moment where I thought..."This is why I go to the movies".
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TDK should have been nominated for its year. In all honesty it probably should have won, because while I liked Milk and Frost/Nixon, they, nor Slumdog Millionaire, Benjamin Button and certainly The Reader, will not stand the test of time as a mainstream classic like The Dark Knight will.
All that said, TDKR is not as good and the hype has died down for it. There is no populist buzz to push it into a nomination like TDK. Despite there now being ten slots, this is such a strong year that unlike, say, 2009, there is not enough room for a popular mainstream film to get a token nomination. Oh well.
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Ledger gave a performance that was award-worthy; but, his death helped push for his acquisition of an award. I remember watching the ceremony that night, because I had two articles written for the deadline the following morning: one praising the Academy's decision to recognize his performance, the other damning it for failing to do so.
But, The Dark Knight Rises did not have that brand of calamity and hype that The Dark Knight had. Michael Caine deserves an award for his performance as Alfred. He will not acquire it, and I will be very surprised if he receives a nomination. It is wrong, but it is what it is.
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The whole point of expanding the category was to give movies a chance that the public has actually seen, in an effort to reverse the bad ratings trend for the Oscars. So IMO the Academy is only going to make itself look bad if they use up 10 slots to nominate 10 Oscar bait films. But we'll see what happens.
Personally I think it can go either way. Right now I'm leaning 60/40 in favor of no nomination happening. |
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Michael doesn't deserve an Oscar for TDKR, and his name isn't Caine either.
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Well, maybe the only TV he watches is Mad Men and Boardwalk Empire.
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Honestly, those kind of comments are kind of the norm in these threads. There's about 7 other guys who should be warned if you frown upon that stuff.
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Then I'm sure you noticed the warnings in the previous thread as well. This isn't the first.
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Pretty much... and Game of Thrones. In all seriousness, I love IMAX and film and think Wally did a great job lighting TDKR, but, at times in the film, I can honestly say I missed the aspect ratio of traditional 35 mm films. It might have just been Nolan's choice of composition, but I found the final set pieces underwhelming. Batman's first appearance though during the stock market chase was pure brilliance, especially the way the camera pans up Batman's body to show all the cops coming in to surround him.
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I didn't, actually. Thanks for informing me so pleasantly.
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2.31:1 or whatever it is is always my preferred ratio. But that has nothing to do with digital vs. film. With IMAX, it's more about the size of it than anything, obviously. A widescreen IMAX movie would be incredible, though.
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Also, we only saw a very small fraction of those 5 months so there's no saying for sure either whether or not there were any ragtag rebellions that Bane had squashed. This would have been neat to see, but it would have done nothing to advance any important character arcs and only served to add fat to the film, so I can see why they'd not go there. We know that anonymous Gothamites 1, 2 3 and "No more dead cops!" guy aren't going to be the heroes that defeat the bad guy in a Batman movie, and we've established that Bane and the LOS are an unstoppable wrecking ball of blunt militant force. We don't really learn much by seeing a few brave Gothamites become cannon fodder for them. I still think he inspired the city at large. He basically becomes Gotham's J.C. by the film's end, getting memorialized for generations to remember. And in the end, Blake serves to represent the idea of good people stepping up. By the end of the film he's off the police force and no longer a part of the establishment, but he's in a position to take the torch. Also, Batman inspires Selina to listen to her better, unselfish side. So he definitely inspired more than just the establishment. Last edited by BatLobsterRises; 10-24-2012 at 09:28 PM. |
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If I'm wrong on that though please refresh my memory because I haven't seen the movie in months. |
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The scene that further accentuates that notion is when Talia stabs Bruce. He's so shocked & despite connecting the dots still bothers to inquire as to why she would serve the memory of Ra's Al Ghul - a man who died trying to kill millions of innocent people. Al-Qaeda can't ne negotiated with nor should we try to understand their "cause". Its not geopolitical nonsense. Its insanity. Bruce's confusion, the look of horror in his face after she puts the knife in him, represents our own confusion regarding the Jihad agenda. |
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There is a big difference, and the film's attempts at motivation are sketchy at best. This film wasn't doing anything deep by leaving their motivation largely unexplained. That is just poor scripting.
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