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I always just figured Ra's was ********ting Bruce to convince him to go along with the LOS' plans. Which is something he did like constantly in the entire movie.
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Ninja terrorists that live in the mountains & use "microwave emitters" to vaporize hallucinogenic flowers through the city's water supply... Its very over the top, comic-booky writing. With TDK & TDKR Nolan enters the real world. TDK was a film about post-9/11 paranoia. TDKR was a film about terrorists taking a major US City through a nuclear weapon. BB would never happen. TDK already happened & TDKR could happen. |
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I agree CConn. I always felt like Ra's was trying to exploit Bruce's hatred of criminals and used that as a means to focus his training and indoctrination. No matter how you try to rationalize it, it's still terrorism and Ra's still wanted to poison EVERYONE in Gotham, not just the criminals. How does that not make Ra's worse than those criminals? See, he believes in what he's doing and he's convinced it's going to make the world a better place. That doesn't mean it's logical.
Where Bane and Talia went more extreme was how slowly they dragged out their plan and took over the city entirely. Simply destroying it wasn't enough for them. They wanted to actually punish Gotham and let the world watch helplessly. Last edited by BatLobsterRises; 10-25-2012 at 03:35 PM. |
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City is crime free and happy, you destroy it. Makes no sense. That's the utter BS. Quote:
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Keep trying to make sense out of Al-Qaeda. Out of why they destroy things.
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Exactly. Some people don't get it or just refuse to get it. Or some just want to nit pick about alleged "plot holes" which were more like plot omissions from Nolan and Smith. Sometimes I do think WB's and Nolan should have gone the two part film Harry Potter route for TDKR though, just so some nit pickers could have seen every little detail squeezed in the final film of the trilogy. Me thinks, the nit pickers still wouldn't have been satisfied though. |
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Yep. Have you read the novelization yet for TDKR? It's a good read. |
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You know basing them on real life terrorist idiots who make no sense doesn't mean they're good villains and their plan is good. Especially when you had Ra's and Joker with good plans that made sense. Ra's wanted to restore balance to dirty cities like Gotham. Makes sense. Joker wanted to prove Gotham can pushed into being crazy like him. Makes sense. Killing crime free city. Makes no sense. |
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That would make a lot more sense than murdering the entire civilian population of Gotham, if we're to accept the premise that the LOS are really a bunch of reasonable dudes who just want crime to stop. Wait a minute. I still believe that Ra's and Talia/Bane shared the same set of basic ideals- that of the League of Shadows. So in that sense they are taking the torch from Ra's. I agree that their methods are more extreme, and therefore can't technically be said to be fulfilling Ra's destiny. Plus, Ra's would have never wanted to see Bane and his daughter working together, so it defies him in that sense too. But they absolutely feel that they're honoring Ra's. The truth is more gray. In some ways they are, in some ways they aren't. Last edited by BatLobsterRises; 10-25-2012 at 03:51 PM. |
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Me thinks, the apologists would be happy if Batman had a sex change at the end of the movie and defended the idea.
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Ahh I see. You just didn't want to see the LOS brought back in TDKR. That is your issue. You would have rather seen some story with Riddler in it? Blah. The TDKR tied things up nicely from the previous films and made it into a true Trilogy. |
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Making the villains shadows of Al-Qaeda makes for a more plausible & captivating picture. You're not just watching a comic book movie. You're watching Batman in the real world, confronting real threats. You dislike it because its real, but that was the whole point. |
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This is a comic book movie.
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I know I am. This thread is the proof.
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BTW that idea about Batman getting a sex change is BRILLIANT. Holy crap, I actually dislike the movie more now that I see what a ballsy and provocative ending Nolan missed out on! Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
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Also, ARGO, a film about Jimmy Carter's lack of resolve during his presidency and the hostage situation in Tehran is being groomed for Best Picture & Best Director, so I don't see why you would think TDKR's geopolitical allusions are detrimental to its Oscar race. If anything, its said real themes that will further elevate this film from average CBM in the eyes of the A.M.P.A.S. |
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ALL of this. |
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ALL of this. |
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TDKR should be nominated for the technical awards. Catwoman has a slight chance of a nom, but she'll probably get that for Les Mis.
Actual wins are probably not in the cards, given the competition. And I have to lol at the notion that the NolanBat movies are "realistic". Or that Nolan is in general a "realistic", verite-style director. He isnt. Last edited by Joeyjojo72; 10-25-2012 at 04:27 PM. |
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So my question is, these same radical extremists stopped believing that Gotham is a place where evil and greed lurk JUST because the mayor passed a law that made it easier for them to lock up the mob? The end result is essentially the same if they had taken it upon themselves to take out the mob. It would have just been a band-aid. Just like the Dent Act is. |
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