What people DIDN'T like from The Avenger ........Spoilers - Part 2

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[JustSomeGuy]

Originally Posted by Infinity9999x

I agree with many of your points, but no way would I say Avengers is like a play. It was very cinematic. And would I say IM3 looks more cinematic?

No, I wouldn't. It looks different stylistically. It looks a bit darker and gritter, which I don't think is better or worse, it just looks different. Avengers was filmed with a 3D experience in mind, and that contributed to the filming style I think. And much of the action was amazing.

But Avengers being like a play? No, not really. Frost Nixon was like a play. Doubt was like a play...because they were originally plays. Movies that are like plays go low on the action, high on the dialogue, and move at much slower paces.

Lol, idk to me watching the movie it seriously seems closer to a play than any movie I have seen for a variety of reasons. And I don't mean to say that the action is lacking or something. The main reasons for me are:

1. The settings of every scene/act are there to assist in the story in a big way. Banner in a shack in Kolkata. Stark in his penthouse. Cap in his gym hitting a punching bag. Loki and Thor having that argument on the mountaintop. The helicarrier, the battle taking place in NY...I can't explain it well but the way each scene/act is set I am reminded of a play.

2. The dialogue in the movie isn't really there to drive the plot forward, it's there to reveal the personalities of the characters.

Word is you can find the cube
Is that the only word on me?
Only word I care about.

This exchange really is only in the movie to show what type of people Cap and Banner are. It doesn't really add anything to the plot. And the movie is filled with these types of moments, more than any movie I have seen recently.

3. It's very self-referential. Loki makes fun of the Hulk the whole movie and then gets his stuff kicked in by him at the end of the movie. The sceptre was what allowed him to break up the avengers but then it also is what closed the portal, so it ended up hurting him in the end. Stuff like that occurs in the movie.

Maybe I'm going a little crazy lol. But to me this whole movie was laid out like a play. It really doesn't surprise me that Whedon has said one of his biggest influences is Shakespeare. In terms of style, this story is incredibly Shakespearean, for the reasons I listed above. I mean, Joss Whedon is a playwright afterall, considering he wrote Dr. Horrible.

[Anno_Domini]

What I didn't like about Avengers?

I didn't like how I missed the shawarma scene the first two times I saw Avengers. Finally had time to stay after the credits my third time.

[BlueLightning]

In my country there was no Shawarma scene after the credits

[ObakeTora]

I loved this movie, and I watch the dvd to death every night before going to sleep! But I just can't get over how stupid Captain America looked in his all cloth costume. The original costume had layers, but sadly it's not just the costume, it's how dorky Cap comes off in the film. For one it seems like Ironman is calling the shots, delegating Cap to the role of the guy who just picks up after the other heroes. Second Cap seriously needs to fire his fight choreographer as I only got to see one darn flip in this whole film. The BlackWidow fight scenes far surpassed Cap's and I'm wondering if Captain America was a late write in as Joss "Punisher's a coward" Whedon struggled to meet deadlines. I don't know, but Cap was sorely underused here, and I would have gladly waited for the sequel to see Captain America given the proper justice he deserved. I also didn't like the absence of the other 2 founding members, Wasp and Pym. Hawkeye and Black-widow being portrayed as the founding members just doesn't sit well with me, maybe it's because I'm old.

[CoolCadaver49]

I totally agree that Cap was lacking for action in a few scenes. The fight on the outside of the Helicarrier was pretty embarrassing. I think he got just about enough to do physically during the final battle, but I think Widow outshines him slightly. I don't really have a problem with that though...

I don't think Iron-man dominated Cap in the leadership department. I thought Cap got plenty of time to develop how he was the leader of the team.

[StarLord]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

What I didn't like about Avengers?

I didn't like how I missed the shawarma scene the first two times I saw Avengers. Finally had time to stay after the credits my third time.

I didn't know about it until I saw a gif on Tumblr!

Thought it was a behind the scenes clip at first.

[Vartha]

heh Yeah may people thought the Thanos scene was the onlt scene. I find it funny they went back AFTER it Premired over seas to film it before it hit the screen in the states

[pr0xyt0xin]

Originally Posted by CoolCadaver49

I totally agree that Cap was lacking for action in a few scenes. The fight on the outside of the Helicarrier was pretty embarrassing. I think he got just about enough to do physically during the final battle, but I think Widow outshines him slightly. I don't really have a problem with that though...

I don't think Iron-man dominated Cap in the leadership department. I thought Cap got plenty of time to develop how he was the leader of the team.

Cap is the tactical leader of the team during times of battle. Iron Man is like the CEO of The Avengers, publicity and fund raising and all that. :P I think Thor got the short end of the action stick.

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

What I didn't like about Avengers?

I didn't like how I missed the shawarma scene the first two times I saw Avengers. Finally had time to stay after the credits my third time.

Originally Posted by Vartha

heh Yeah may people thought the Thanos scene was the onlt scene. I find it funny they went back AFTER it Premired over seas to film it before it hit the screen in the states

My brother sees Thanos smirk and stands up. And I said, "sit your ass back down we didnt come all this way for a film 5 years in the making and spend $25 on the marathon in 3D to leave before the end credits now!"

[ObakeTora]

Cap is the tactical leader of the team during times of battle. Iron Man is like the CEO of The Avengers, publicity and fund raising and all that. :P I think Thor got the short end of the action stick.

REALLY!? I thought the scene where he was hurtling to his doom in that steel cage was epic "money owing nephew" stomping awesomeness!!!!

[CoolCadaver49]

Originally Posted by pr0xyt0xin

Cap is the tactical leader of the team during times of battle. Iron Man is like the CEO of The Avengers, publicity and fund raising and all that. :P I think Thor got the short end of the action stick.

That's a great way of describing it.

[Vartha]

Originally Posted by pr0xyt0xin

Cap is the tactical leader of the team during times of battle. Iron Man is like the CEO of The Avengers, publicity and fund raising and all that. :P I think Thor got the short end of the action stick.





My brother sees Thanos smirk and stands up. And I said, "sit your ass back down we didnt come all this way for a film 5 years in the making and spend $25 on the marathon in 3D to leave before the end credits now!"

lol hope you brought a lunch to that lol Yeah my kids and their friends were impressed with all the behind the scenes stuff I knew. lol

[terry78]

To even put it in more geeky terms. Stark is Venkman/Egon, Cap is Egon/Ray.

[Optimus_Prime_]

I think maybe it could be accused of overdoing the fanwank, but otherwise I found it to be great and anything I could really complain about still fit within the tone and style of the movie.

[pr0xyt0xin]

Originally Posted by Vartha

lol hope you brought a lunch to that lol Yeah my kids and their friends were impressed with all the behind the scenes stuff I knew. lol

haha. yeah it started at like 11am iirc. i skipped part of thor in favor of pizza. Thor's not my favorite. don't judge me.

Originally Posted by Optimus_Prime_

I think maybe it could be accused of overdoing the fanwank, but otherwise I found it to be great and anything I could really complain about still fit within the tone and style of the movie.

indulge us. I'm curious what you consider fanwank. i promise i wont get belligerent.

[CoolCadaver49]

Originally Posted by terry78

To even put it in more geeky terms. Stark is Venkman/Egon, Cap is Egon/Ray.

I guess I'm not a geek, because I have no idea what that means.

[terry78]

Exactly.

[Polux]

The only thing that bothered me every time I saw the movie (way too many) since the first time, is the avengers being in "radio communication" during the whole movie, but non of'em wears an earpiece at any point (I paid real close attention, to make sure...)


Polux

[CoolCadaver49]

Originally Posted by Polux

The only thing that bothered me every time I saw the movie (way too many) since the first time, is the avengers being in "radio communication" during the whole movie, but non of'em wears an earpiece at any point (I paid real close attention, to make sure...)


Polux

LOL, I'm ashamed to say that I didn't notice that until I saw the "Honest Trailer".

[Golgo-13]

Originally Posted by CoolCadaver49

I guess I'm not a geek, because I have no idea what that means.

It's a Ghostbusters reference....

[ObakeTora]

I wonder how much Shawarma sales increased because of this movie?

[Brain Damage]

Originally Posted by ObakeTora

I wonder how much Shawarma sales increased because of this movie?

I've gotten it like six times since the movie came out, that's something.

[Silvermoon]

Originally Posted by Polux

The only thing that bothered me every time I saw the movie (way too many) since the first time, is the avengers being in "radio communication" during the whole movie, but non of'em wears an earpiece at any point (I paid real close attention, to make sure...)


Polux

*shrugs shoulders* I've said this before, I always figured they were wearing small earbuds that fit further into the ear/aren't very visible. See shows like Leverage, Person of Interest, The Closer, a variety of spy type shows/movies, etc... I mean, look at how small actual hearing aids have gotten for the hard of hearing or the elderly, it's not that hard to fathom, in my opinion, that an organization like SHIELD would have the latest in micro-communication technology. Besides, if they had a big clunky earpiece (even like what Fury or Coulson had), there's a greater chance of it falling out during the fight. An earbud that fits snugly in the ear canal is less likely to be dislodged.

[pr0xyt0xin]

Originally Posted by ObakeTora

I wonder how much Shawarma sales increased because of this movie?

Originally Posted by Brain Damage

I've gotten it like six times since the movie came out, that's something.

ditto. I imagine it was significant.

It's now on my meal rotation. "Should we get pizza, burgers, tacos or shawarma?"