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I didn't need to work on the script or be in the planning to figure that out. Without the gap Blake wouldn't be old enough to do what the plot requires.
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Maybe "sloppy" is the wrong term to use. "Lazy" is probably a better fit.
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Yeah, that may be a better word for it.
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eheh , at least i would have like to read your opinion about why the gap doesn't work regarding Bruce , or the eventual sloppiness of the movie.
Inventing a theory about the process of writing is still not a fact. The gap is the most important aspect regarding where Bruce stands at the beginning , and how the journey of the story will affect him as an individual , and us as an audience. I found it particularly well written and quite subtle. |
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I find it silly that some Russian guy writing a research paper caused Bruce to lock himself away from the world and lose his mind (even more) enough to be shooting arrows at the help. Rachel and Dent's deaths didn't make Bruce become a recluse, but Pavel did. It's wack.
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As far as sloppiness I'll add another. Talia's plot. She spends years slowly gaining entrance into Bruce's life, waits more time on him to build an energy device, then waits even more time for someone to find a way to turn that device into a bomb. She could have purchased a dirty bomb or done any number of things in less than a year so there is that. Bruce even calls her on this when he says "perhaps the knife was too slow." Then there is her sleeping with him instead of, you know, stabbing him while his dick is out. She is incompetent. In the end not only has Bruce killed Ras, and stopped his plan to destroy gotham on two occassions, but he also banged his daughter. Actually that is kind of hillarious when I think about it. In hindsight, she gets it honestly. Ras in BB wasn't very smart either and dealt in convoluted plots.
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When it was revealed that this effort could be corrupted and twisted into something evil - much like the Joker twisted and corrupted the concept of dual personas - Bruce lost all faith in himself to ever accomplish something truly successful and good. It's actually rather deep now that I think about it. And, again, ties even more into the idea of Batman as a symbol, and people's ability to draw strength from such a symbol and concept.
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The gap in the movie accentuates how Bruce's handles his duality. Its the basic foundation of the movie. |
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Going back to the problem with no one discovering Bruce is Batman but Blake. Bruce, who is a major figure in gotham, conveniently disappears from life when Batman disappears. ![]()
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Him being locked is how he responds to the situation of being unable to live as a normal human being , and at the same time seeing his role as vigilante being completely irrelevant to Gotham. He feels completely disconnected from the world. He closes himself. But he isnt free of the grudge he lived his whole life. The darkness that consumes him ....the one he needs to rise from |
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While eight years makes no sense to you, it is perfectly plausible to me. And who's at all to say your problem with it is anymore valid or sensible than my lack of a problem? It's not as though either of us are really qualified to comment on the presumed psychological condition of a fictional character.
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I'm starting to understand the "sloppiness" ... That is a MAJOR detail of the movie. Bruce actually tried to live a normal life. |
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Bruce: There's nothing out there for me. Alfred: And that's the problem. You hung up your cape and your cowl, but you didn't move on, you never went to find a life, to find someone... Bruce: Alfred... I did find someone. Alfred: I know, and you lost her. But that's all part of living, sir. But you're not living.
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He tried , he wasn't able to. That's the conflict. Or else there would be no movie. That's the story.
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Personally, Bruce didn't try to live, but publicly Bruce Wayne was still active for several years after Batman's disappearance.
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Yeah, 3 years as a recluse. In the run-up to the movie we were led to believe that Bruce was frozen in time for 8 years by Mr. Nolan and Emma Thomas, but we were duped.
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But he didn't. Alfred said he never went to find a normal life. Bruce pinned all his hopes of a normal life on Rachel, something she warned him not to do in TDK.
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Alfred addresses to Bruce why he cant live a normal life.
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![]() And that is something that goes back to Begins and the little orphan child. I was fascinated reading Nolan thought about young Bruce as the young Kennedy in his father funeral , showing himself very serious. Almost like having a mask. I dont think he lives his life with a chip , changing its personalities back and forth. That's why i said he tries to live a life. But he can't. His duality is a big conflict , and the way he handles failure. |
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