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I disagree. It all depends on how they handle the tone of the movies.
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Well I guess it depends on your definition
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![]() I mean, of course we know the world or anything won't be destroyed because they have to make more movies and these are the main characters. But, the sense of true danger and loss can be achieved if they handle it correctly. Certain 'legacy' characters can even die, so others can take their place(Flash and Green Lantern). |
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Even something like Hulk attacking Widow didn't feel all that dangerous to me, because he wasn't doing all that he could to take her down. If she was fearfully, yet skillfully, flipping around Hulk as he attacked, then I would've been scared for her in that moment. When Hulk came up to her, he moved his arm up in a slow manner and acted like he was going to backhand her or something. Because he showed hesitation, I knew that he wasn't going to hit her at that point. Like I said, it's all how you handle it. Another example where I felt a sense of danger is in the trailer for Iron Man 3. I know Tony's going to survive, but I truly felt a sense of danger for him when he was pulled to the bottom of the ocean and had that building falling on him. Same for when he was taken by the terrorists in IM1. Also, I liked in The Avengers when Cap was fighting with Thor and he was shot in his gut. Really got that sense of danger for him across. Even in this animated movie, I felt more danger for The Avengers going up against Hulk than I did for them going up against the Chitauri. Especially Widow and Cap. Last edited by ThePowerCosmic; 10-25-2012 at 05:10 PM. |
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Like the whole thing with Iron Man and whether he was gonna die or not. We all knew Hulk was going to catch Iron Man from the sky at one point and it didn't happen yet so it was a give-away. Maybe that was marketing that screwed up the sense of danger in that scene. But everything else was different. Coulsons death was the safest and most ridiculous thing. I've had this convo with quite a few people in person and online and we usually agree. It was such a safe move. Even though we expected that character to go on for more movies (and he was entertaining) he was a minor character. He never had much screen-time, nobody in the team cared about this guy. He was just some idiot or he was ignored. And it's supposed to be believable when Tony Stark and others are taking 10 minutes to be all upset? They tried making it all dramatic and it wasn't even a big deal. He even died with a one-liner if my memory is still good. It was as if Joss Whedon went "we can't kill off any of the superheroes cuz that's who the Avengers are and we need them for sequels so who can we kill off? Let's just kill the minor character since we have to kill SOMEBODY to make it a little dramatic". It's supposed to be this war like invasion in New York City and we dont really see any casualties either. That's another thing. JL could be safe too im not arguing that. I might even hate the movie. But the way they're jumping right into it is far more risky. Rebooting Batman so soon for this is also a big risk. If they stay away from alien invasions and try to go a little more grounded than Avengers, that's ALSO a risk since you're dealing with characters who are just as over the top as Marvels Avengers. We'll see. Oh and Thor getting dropped in the cage, Hulk chasing after Black Widow, Hawkeye and the hellicarrier? I never felt the danger in any of those scenes. I always knew nothing would happen to Black Widow, etc. Again..it was a fun movie but i didn't feel like it was a seperate case from the other Marvel flicks.
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However, I do not expect to see any major character deaths in the first movie. The audience needs time to care about the characters that they aren't very acquainted with but prime candidates are Flash, Martian Manhunter, or one of the second tier characters like Green Arrow if he or any like him appear. My money is on Flash like people have been saying and having Wally step up for future movies. Like in the cartoon, Flash will probably end up being the heart of the team and probably the most lovable member. There'd be a change in how the team handles things and definitely a lasting impact on the individuals. But like I said, they ought to save that for movie two or three. Especially since Wally probably wouldn't be best for the first solo Flash movie. |
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Makes me wonder. If Barry Allen is eventually popular and liked amongst audiences, like Stark, would they ever kill him off so another actor playing Wally can replace him?
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Barry Allen's death in JUSTICE LEAGUE: MORTAL is one of the most beautiful moments I've seen written for a superhero on film.
And if Barry does prove to be a popular character, a solo THE FLASH film could easily be a prequel featuring Barry's adventures (and Wally), with future Justice League movies moving ahead with Wally West as The Flash.
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Yeah, that death in the Mortal script was really beautiful.
Prequels are an interesting way to handle it, I wouldn't mind if they did that. |
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How about just doing a bats meats supes movie?
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Its what I think they should be doing instead of rushing JLA.
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Then there was Stark raising the questions about Government agencies keeping secrets and Fury countering with a speech about the need for military intelligence and ever-evolving weaponry. The proper degree of governmental transparency is an ongoing discussion whenever there is a war or an election. Avengers just didn't get bogged down with these themes, which would have taken focus away from the popcorn moments. I know some hardcore DC-only fans don't want to hear about a Marvel movie being used as a template for JLA, but I don't see why they wouldn't want to borrow from what works. As long as if doesn't look like a direct ripoff (an alien invasion would be a mistake), in which cases audiences might balk.
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You know, I joined this forums specifically to know more about and discuss a Justice League movie. Check the joint date.
In those days the discussion of "If JL bombs" came up quite often. The answer was ussually that it would kill the solo movies. My reply would be: "what solo movies?" So with 4 years since (time that many said was worth it for a "real" and "good" movie if DC "employed the Marvel method" like they didn't), I can safely say if Justice League Mortal had bombed, we'd never have gotten Green Lantern and...well, that's roughly it. Who knows what other masterpieces of the medium we could lose if these new JL movie bombs? The future is murky. |
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A Justice League movie won't flop, let alone bomb. It's the Justice League.
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It's possible for it to disapoint a little in the box office but not to bomb
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That's what the WB producers thought with Batman & Robin back in 1997: "It can't flop let alone bomb. It's Batman."
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Not to mention they said the same with Superman returns
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Exactly. There's no guarantee a JLA film will work.
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I cant bring myself to compare a future JLA movie to a Shumacher piece of crap. Yeah it'll probably make less than Avengers. But i doubt it would flop. From what we hear, it's not going to be a comedy-fest for kids. It's still Batman and Superman together in a more serious situation. It's going to make a lot of money.
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I feel like the Justice League movie can actually play off of the success of the Avengers, so I don't think it's even remotely close to bombing... even if it underwhelms.
If Man o' Steel is critically successful, there's your catalyst. Iron-Man did the same for Marvel. We may even be able to compare the recent Green Lantern movie to the Hulk. I admit that the Incredible Hulk performed better, but it certainly wasn't enough to greenlight a sequel. By putting that character in a new setting, I feel like the Green Lantern can be redeemed to the GA. Even though the GL movie didn't go as well as it should have, people are familiar with the origin, so we won't need to see it again in JL. |
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This time in a few years (when JL hits screens) it will be like comparing The Dark Knight Rises to Amazing Spider Man (on comparison to Avengers)... trust me. I, like you, know **** about this movie but it's just the way it will be. As it always is.
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