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Still doesn't make any sense, seems like that was just thrown in to make the audience think he died in the explosion and then later tadaaaaaaa he made it. That bit really annoys me as I expect so much more from Nolan. Besides there was only Catwoman and Gordan there both he revealed to that he survived the explosion before the film ends.
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That's exactly why it was done. If he mentioned autopilot there then nobody would really be believing he died. As it is some people criticize that he couldn't have survived a mere two seconds before that bomb went off anyway since he's have been fried in the blast of a nuclear bomb.
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What do you mean could have? He didn't say anything about it. That's the point. It wasn't mentioned to fool people into thinking he had died. The question asked was why didn't he tell Selina about the auto pilot in the first place.
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Here is what the Official novelization says - Batman: "Two minutes, I can fly it out over the bay." Catwoman:"Rig it to fly over the water, then bail..." he shook his head. Batman: "No autopilot." To me it sounds as if he was not entirely sure that autopilot would work, so he wanted to fly the Bat himself (to get rid of the nuke), but then he was not sure that he would survive the blast, so he lied about the whole autopilot thing, just so that Selina should not have a false hope of seeing him again. OR That he wanted he to believe that he was going to die when he was fully confident that he will escape the blast radius.He wanted everyone to believe that he died. Personally speaking, I prefer the first reason.
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Also, to the claims that he didn't have time, I mean come on, it's editing, we have no idea when exactly he left, when he engaged the autopilot, when he has that final moment of acceptance, etc. Brilliant misdirection through editing that clearly worked very well considering the reactions from people. I myself was nearly in tears.
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Batman: Set it to fly over the water, then eject? Batman: No autopilot. Quote:
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I also have no idea why Wayne had to die or even Batman for that reason. If whats his head is going to be continuing as Batman anyways, then why would you have him Batman die? Wayne could have basically just retired (as he did anyways) and moved away with Selina regardless. The only reason to fake a death would have been to get loved ones off your back, but then, he revealed to those he loved (gordon,fox,selina,alfred) that he was alive anyways. So who did he really fake out? A bunch of gotmamites that wouldn't have cared one way or the other and that didn't know he was Batman anyways?
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I don't think he planned that far ahead , much less knowing he would have to use The Bat to take the bomb. In that moment he feels its better to exclude everyone from what he intends to do. We dont even know if he even thought about going all the way. The character was always portrayed as being very conflicted.
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Him being a martyr for the City , putting his life on the line for Gotham , reinforces immensely his achievements. Symbols are everlasting. |
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How do ya know that? Did you fix the autopilot? Quote:
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It was all emotional fluff. Why? Was it specified somewhere that the autopilot system rarely works? Quote:
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Lets face it, it's not the first time gaps of logic have happened in this movie or the previous two. But Batman is coming back in the form of Blake. So the death was unnecessary. Saving the city and still being alive wouldn't diminish the heroics of his act.
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Are you the new writer hired by WB to make the sequel to The Dark Knight Rises ?
One movie at a time. The one i saw ended with Blake rising in a platform. Stories have themes , notions and concepts that are build upon. Blake is a personification of a lot of them. Its kinda a frequent tool in narratives.... (he's also a much less conflicted character than Bruce) Bruce didn't know if Blake would take that role and accept what he left. The city also commemorated the action of the martyr. They also dont know. We as an audience also dont know. He is a literal figure regarding symbols. That's why the trilogy ends with him ! But you are already making assumptions about non-existant movies , so its kinda hard to discuss.... |
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So he would have a choice.
They dont know that Batman or some other form of vigilante might come back. The implications of the ending are the reactions to Bruce's actions. Our main character. |
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A choice? Don't you mean so he could carry on the mantle of the Batman?
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The reaction of Blake is rising up to the moment. He's inspired by Batman's actions. He is a literal figure of the symbol . That is my interpretation.
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Rising up to what moment? What's he rising up to? What's he being inspired to do?
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Inspired to do good. The important thing is how he's affected .
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Funny I thought that's what being a Cop was all about. Inspired to do good.
Putting on a Batman mask is just swapping one form of crime fighting for another.
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Flass says hi.
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Yeah, because the reason Flass joined the force is the same reason as Blake. I mean their methods were identical.
Not a great comparison there. Flass was corrupt and clearly did not care about what it meant to be a Cop. Why do you think Blake joined the force?
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The mod asked me to walk away , and that's what i'll do. Boa Noite.
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Speaking of the force...I would like to know when the position 'Deputy Commissioner' was created since that position wasn't shown in the past two Batman films, lol.
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