Skyfall vs. TDKR

[Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by JackWhite

Interesting, because most consider the third act in TDKR to be the strongest third act in the trilogy.

Oddly enough, I prefer TDK's third act, lol.

I think the 3rd act for both TDK and TDKR's are on an equal level. Both were amazing and mesmerizing 3rd acts IMO.

The thing about a minority of fanboys being disappointed or not liking the 3rd act of TDKR's is mainly because most fanboys knew the LOS and there would be a Talia reveal and some of you just didn't like that from the very beginning.

You already decided you wouldn't like the film before you even saw it.

Some of you would have rather have seen Riddler, Black Mask or Clayface in the final film of the trilogy?

[Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Amen!

How true is this! If your movie isn't doing so hot with RT, you will flack the website and say it doesn't matter. If your movie is doing so well on RT, you want to flaunt the website so much.

I have always hated RT, even when it shows TDK is a masterpiece of a film or when it shows that Watchmen isn't a great film when it is. RT is just an example of how fickle critics can be, professional or not.

RT....Lol!

RT is sooooo freakin overrated.

People act like RT is the gospel!

[Liam_H]

Originally Posted by Dark Knight

I think the 3rd act for both TDK and TDKR's are on an equal level. Both were amazing and mesmerizing 3rd acts IMO.

The thing about a minority of fanboys being disappointed or not liking the 3rd act of TDKR's is mainly because most fanboys knew the LOS and there would be a Talia reveal and some of you just didn't like that from the very beginning.

You already decided you wouldn't like the film before you even saw it.

Some of you would have rather have seen Riddler, Black Mask or Clayface in the final film of the trilogy?

More like it just felt weak and shoe horned into the movie. Talia was such an insignificant character that such a twist had no weight to it.

[DACrowe]

Seen both.

Skyfall was tremendous. That said, I think the hype is overdoing it. I do not think it is the best Bond film ever or even better than Casino Royale (Craig's best), but it was solid stuff. However, TDKR got to me more in a visceral, epic way. I also found the story and stakes more engrossing.

That said, Javier Bardem and Roger Deakins were astounding in Skyfall. They made that movie. That and the surprise location of the third act. Both are fine films.

[Fudgie]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

It's like you're a politician trying to push some point across over and over

Freedom of speech. It's a beautiful thing.

90% now...going down....

Nope http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/skyfall/

93% and hopefully rising. Rising get it?

Originally Posted by The Joker

Skyfall was directly influenced by TDK: http://collider.com/sam-mendes-skyfa...knight/204523/

If Skyfall is doing well critically then I like to think a little bit of that praise is due to TDK for being used as an influence on Skyfall. That has to be a first, too. Has a comic book movie ever influenced a major franchise outside of it's genre before?

That's cos TDK is a real masterpiece. The real greats influence other directors like that.

Originally Posted by gillberg2k1

Skyfall was considerably a better experience, in my opinion.

A fantastic Bond film and a great film in general.

In all honesty, this was probably the most satisfying film I've seen this year. Simply excellent. And yes, there are similarities to The Dark Knight, but they certainly aren't what makes the movie so excellent. This is the Bond film I was waiting for after Casino Royale. Skyfall delivers.

Quoted for truth.

Originally Posted by Elevator Man

Masterpiece? The third act alone is enough for me to believe TDKR was far from a "masterpiece". Sure it isn't "garbage" like some have called it, but it definitely isn't a masterpiece either.

Yup. Masterpiece and Rises don't go in the same sentence.

[Brain Damage]

Originally Posted by Liam_H

More like it just felt weak and shoe horned into the movie. Talia was such an insignificant character that such a twist had no weight to it.

Bingo.

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by Elevator Man

Masterpiece? The third act alone is enough for me to believe TDKR was far from a "masterpiece". Sure it isn't "garbage" like some have called it, but it definitely isn't a masterpiece either.

TDKR is what I like to call Nolan's "ambitious mess", something every single great director has had when they were at the height of their careers. These big and expensive projects saw said directors stretching the limits of the budgets more than their talents, yet for all their massive flaws these films are still better than 90% of the crap out there. It's just that they didn't live up to the director's own pedigrees. James Cameron had 'The Abyss'. Steven Spielberg's had way too many (A.I, Amistad, War of the Worlds, you name it). Paul Thomas Anderson's is 'Magnolia'. 'Prometheus' is Ridley Scott's latest ambitious mess (again, among many). Scorcese's was 'The Aviator' (or 'Gangs of New York', depending on who you ask). These films are not the director's masterpieces, but they can be considered as masterpieces (albeit incredibly, deeply flawed) on their own. Same is the case with TDKR.

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by Fudgie

Freedom of speech. It's a beautiful thing.

Alright...then I will keep saying how great TDKR is

Nope http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/skyfall/

93% and hopefully rising. Rising get it?

Hrm. I really thought you meant the top critics, but now if you're speaking of the general critics, then...a 6% difference isn't really whoopin' TDKR at all.

[Bruce_Begins]

There is a difference between the method both the directors approached their respective movies, in case of TDKR, Nolan wanted to end Batman's journey, he wanted his arc to reach some sort of conclusion.

Nolan wanted TDKR to be the last Batman movie, not so with Skyfall, here the director was free to take whatever direction he wanted to, which resulted in different tone of the movie.

So, comparing the two movies is really a silly exercise. (IMO.)

EDIT: Did anyone compare Quantum Of Solace with TDK ? I don't remember any comparisons, so why now ?

[Omegabat]

Well TDKR is inspiring Iron Man 3.

[Batmansvoice]

Originally Posted by Bruce_Begins

There is a difference between the method both the directors approached their respective movies, in case of TDKR, Nolan wanted to end Batman's journey, he wanted his arc to reach some sort of conclusion.

Nolan wanted TDKR to be the last Batman movie, not so with Skyfall, here the director was free to take whatever direction he wanted to, which resulted in different tone of the movie.

So, comparing the two movies is really a silly exercise. (IMO.)

EDIT: Did anyone compare Quantum Of Solace with TDK ? I don't remember any comparisons, so why now ?

Both feature an older, more burned out franchise character trying to regain his roots to take on his worst enemy yet. Both were hyped-up fantasy/superhero action movies in 2012. Both feature actors that redefined their respective franchise to a more grounded and gritty approach.

[Anno_Domini]

Actually, that's a funny point because I believe people could compare Casino Royale to Batman Begins, but when it comes to Quantum of Solace/TDK and Skyfall/TDKR...it doesn't really make sense, haha.

[BatLobsterRises]

Originally Posted by Omegabat

Well TDKR is inspiring Iron Man 3.

Just like Batman Begins inspired Iron Man 1. I don't know how intentional it is with Iron Man 3, since I heard they were planning to go back to more of an Iron Man 1 feel of putting Tony "back down in the cave" feel for Iron Man 3 before TDKR was released. But Favreau was very open about Batman Begins being a huge influence for the first film.

I do think it's cool that a Batman film is being said to have influenced such a time honored franchise like Bond. It must be pretty satisfying for Nolan, considering he injected a lot of "Bond" into Batman as well.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by Omegabat

Well TDKR is inspiring Iron Man 3.

Have they said Iron Man 3 is being inspired by TDKR, or is this just fan speculation?

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by The Joker

Have they said Iron Man 3 is being inspired by TDKR, or is this just fan speculation?

Fan speculation just because of...

Tony Stark going into some kind of exile as Bruce Wayne when he was sent to the Pit.

The Ten Rings returning as the League of Shadows returned.

Snow being a factor(lol, no, really...this has been brought up before )

It being "gritty" and "dark" than the last two Iron Man films, but this was going to be common when there is a new director, especially with Shane Black.

[Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Liam_H

More like it just felt weak and shoe horned into the movie. Talia was such an insignificant character that such a twist had no weight to it.

I disagree. From what I gather, the twist had plenty of weight to it.....to the general movie going public who had no idea what was coming. The fanboys/fangirls who were spoiled knew it was coming, so of course it would have no weight to them.

Why do you think TDKR was such a positively reviewed film overall and why the word of mouth from the general movie going public was so great?

The majority of the general movie going public loved the ending.

[Dark Knight]

I'm still trying to figure out why TDKR and Skyfall are being compared anyway?

Apples to peaches.

This thread is irrelevant.

[Anno_Domini]

The weight of the Talia reveal was shown on Batman's face when he was stabbed. Shocked and disappointed that someone who Bruce had feelings for ended up betraying him, wanting to use what Bruce built as a weapon to destroy Gotham. Nonetheless, I bet Bruce is pissed off that he slept with the enemy

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Fan speculation just because of...

Tony Stark going into some kind of exile as Bruce Wayne when he was sent to the Pit.

The Ten Rings returning as the League of Shadows returned.

Snow being a factor(lol, no, really...this has been brought up before )

It being "gritty" and "dark" than the last two Iron Man films, but this was going to be common when there is a new director, especially with Shane Black.

I thought so.

Now all of that is what you can call typical fanboy nonsense. The snow one is particularly amusing.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by Dark Knight

I disagree. From what I gather, the twist had plenty of weight to it.....to the general movie going public who had no idea what was coming. The fanboys/fangirls who were spoiled knew it was coming, so of course it would have no weight to them.

Why do you think TDKR was such a positively reviewed film overall and why the word of mouth from the general movie going public was so great?

The majority of the general movie going public loved the ending.

The problem with the Talia twist, apart from those very incriminating pictures of Cottiard in LOS attire being leaked all over the internet nearly a year before the movie's release, was that even if you didn't know the spoiler, Miranda Tate was such an under used character who made little impact in the movie prior to being revealed as Talia. Her very brief scenes with Bruce had no emotional weight to them, and their love scene came out of left field and there was no sexual chemistry between Bale and Cottiard.

Like when Foley died and the camera zoomed in on him, it was like we were supposed to care. But like with Tate, his character was such a dull non entity that there really was no reason to.

[747]

My top three favorite movies of the year that I've seen so far is TDKR, The Avengers and Skyfall, in that order.

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by The Joker

The problem with the Talia twist, apart from those very incriminating pictures of Cottiard in LOS attire being leaked all over the internet nearly a year before the movie's release, was that even if you didn't know the spoiler, Miranda Tate was such an under used character who made little impact in the movie prior to being revealed as Talia. Her very brief scenes with Bruce had no emotional weight to them, and their love scene came out of left field and there was no sexual chemistry between Bale and Cottiard.

Like when Foley died and the camera zoomed in on him, it was like we were supposed to care. But like with Tate, his character was such a dull non entity that there really was no reason to.

Although, imo, Miranda/Talia was far more important than Foley, haha.

Never understood why a 'Deputy Commissioner' was even in TDKR since there was no such title in BB and TDK.

But back to Talia, I understand her and Bruce sleeping was obviously a nod when Talia became pregnant in the comics, but the scene could've been taken out and we only have this working partnership with Bruce and Miranda. It would have hurt Bruce just as much when she betrayed him.

[Excelsior.]

Originally Posted by The Joker

The problem with the Talia twist, apart from those very incriminating pictures of Cottiard in LOS attire being leaked all over the internet nearly a year before the movie's release, was that even if you didn't know the spoiler, Miranda Tate was such an under used character who made little impact in the movie prior to being revealed as Talia. Her very brief scenes with Bruce had no emotional weight to them, and their love scene came out of left field and there was no sexual chemistry between Bale and Cottiard.

Like when Foley died and the camera zoomed in on him, it was like we were supposed to care. But like with Tate, his character was such a dull non entity that there really was no reason to.

That's just your opinion and therefore I am implicating that it is not credible. The film is loved by the masses -- which is also a vast collection of opinions -- and that is all that matters.

[Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by The Joker

The problem with the Talia twist, apart from those very incriminating pictures of Cottiard in LOS attire being leaked all over the internet nearly a year before the movie's release, was that even if you didn't know the spoiler, Miranda Tate was such an under used character who made little impact in the movie prior to being revealed as Talia. Her very brief scenes with Bruce had no emotional weight to them, and their love scene came out of left field and there was no sexual chemistry between Bale and Cottiard.

Like when Foley died and the camera zoomed in on him, it was like we were supposed to care. But like with Tate, his character was such a dull non entity that there really was no reason to.

Once again to the general movie going public, (not the fanboys/girls who were spoiled) the reveal was just fine.

The relationship didn't need heavy weight to it. Tate was hitting up Bruce when he was vulnerable and they had sex, how much weight did you need in a 2 hour 45 minute film about a side love interest for Bruce Wayne.

Most of my family and friends who I spoke with, who knew nothing about Tate/Talia, thought Tate was going to wind up being tragically killed by Bane and none thought she was the child of Ra's Al Ghul.

Remember, these films are not just for the spoiled fanboys/fangirls.

[Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Excelsior.

That's just your opinion and therefore I am implicating that it is not credible. The film is loved by the masses -- which is also a vast collection of opinions -- and that is all that matters.

^Exactly! Quoted for truth!

For the record, I didn't care for Foley's death either...did it "ruin" the film for me?

Hell nah!